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Topic: how do i get more battery?

Posted By: slatham
Subject: how do i get more battery?
Date Posted: December 27, 2008 at 1:58 AM

I got some subs installed today (2 kicker 12" L7s powered by a kicker zx1500.1 Class D amp) When i got it installed the installers told me to go very easy on the system because i didn't have enough "battery" for it. I asked how i could get more "battery" and one of the guys explained that i could get a second battery or a more powerful battery. Before i go out and spend some money i figured i would ask you guys what the best thing to do would be. Thanks a lot.



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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: December 27, 2008 at 9:47 AM

The 1st thing to do is upgrade the "big 3".

The next thing to do is get a larger alternator.

Then, if needed, a 2nd battery may be in order as long as your new alternator is large enough to power two batteries.



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: December 27, 2008 at 2:22 PM

slatham wrote:

I got some subs installed today (2 kicker 12" L7s powered by a kicker zx1500.1 Class D amp) When i got it installed the installers told me to go very easy on the system because i didn't have enough "battery" for it. I asked how i could get more "battery" and one of the guys explained that i could get a second battery or a more powerful battery. Before i go out and spend some money i figured i would ask you guys what the best thing to do would be. Thanks a lot.

Just out of curiosity, what installers told you that?

Kevin's advice in the post above is the correct answer.



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Posted By: jae-d
Date Posted: December 27, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Hey Slatham...
If an installer told you that you needed more battery...well that just doesn't make any sense..i know what he meant but he said it wrong. Secondly...Kevins advice is correct, but you can also do some more to that..first off...Optima has a really nice yellow top battery that is gel celled instead of acid celled...those help alot, but make sure its has a lot of cold cranking amps..925 or above is good...also check your alternator if it looks good...dont replace it, help it out a little bit more by installing a 2 farad or more capacitor, I would personally recommend the Rockford Fosgate Digital 2 Farad capacitor..helps out a lot.

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Posted By: audiocableguy
Date Posted: December 27, 2008 at 9:51 PM
".also check your alternator if it looks good...dont replace it, help it out a little bit more by installing a 2 farad or more capacitor, I would personally recommend the Rockford Fosgate Digital 2 Farad capacitor..helps out a lot."

No NO No No NO No

Alternator Yes, Cap No. Red Top Better. Odyssey batteries have performed better than the Optima from my experience.

Cap or a second battery will do nothing if you don't have the Alternator capacity. Search the multitude of posts why the Cap suggestion is just plain WRONG. Suggesting a brand of Cap is just as worthless. No brand is any different than another.




Posted By: nj-installer
Date Posted: December 27, 2008 at 11:57 PM
I would agree about the alternator being key and the cap not being much help. Also I have had many Optima yellow/RED / blue top batteries and a few Stinger and they really didn't do anything special as far as audio performance they just lasted longer than the lead acid batteries under deep cycling conditions. I have no 1st hand experience with Odyssey batteries so I can't comment on those. I also would like to say that the installer should have evaluated your gear and car/charging system PRIOR to the install to advise you on your needs before you had the stuff in. Did they do that and you just wanted it in anyway or was it sprung on you at the end that you "didn't have enough battery"?




Posted By: slatham
Date Posted: December 28, 2008 at 3:33 AM
nj-installer wrote:

I would agree about the alternator being key and the cap not being much help. Also I have had many Optima yellow/RED / blue top batteries and a few Stinger and they really didn't do anything special as far as audio performance they just lasted longer than the lead acid batteries under deep cycling conditions. I have no 1st hand experience with Odyssey batteries so I can't comment on those. I also would like to say that the installer should have evaluated your gear and car/charging system PRIOR to the install to advise you on your needs before you had the stuff in. Did they do that and you just wanted it in anyway or was it sprung on you at the end that you "didn't have enough battery"?


The installer actually told me after the system was installed. If i had known that i wouldnt have the enough 'battery' then i would have waited and got the proper stuff.

So, from what i've read from you guys, it would seem to me that i definitely need to upgrade to the big 3. I would also need a newer alternater, and a new more heavy duty battery like the one's that you guys have mentioned.

Can anyone give me a money estimate as to how much this stuff would cost? The system is in an '02 pontiac sunfire.

Thanks guys for all the help.




Posted By: slatham
Date Posted: December 28, 2008 at 4:26 AM
Also, what size alternator would be a good idea to get?




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: December 28, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Here's my suggestion: 1) upgrade the big 3.  This can cost less than $50 if you do it yourself.  2) upgrade the alternator.  Get the most idle amps you can afford to buy that will fit into your car.  Alts cost anywhere from $200 to $1200 depending on what you buy, plus installation.

Don't worry about the battery unless you plan to run your system with the engine off, or unless the stock battery is more than 5 years old.  If it is, then sure get a new one and the Optima batteries are quite good.  Don't waste your money on a cap unless you need it to compensate for noise issues or unless you are a competitor.

And you never did answer the question of who was your installer: but whoever it was I would NOT go back to them.



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Posted By: slatham
Date Posted: December 28, 2008 at 12:38 PM
The installer was a business called 'xtreme audio' in Somerset, Kentucky. I couldn't tell you the names of the installers but that is the business....and i will definitely take your advice and not return to them.

Thanks so much for the help.




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 30, 2008 at 8:34 AM

i wouldnt return to that shop either. they clearly dont know what a car will need for a high current draw system. as mentioned many times before my other members in this thread, the big 3 and alt upgrade is the best.

caps are waste of money. they say the cap will prevent a voltage drop ("protects hardware") but devices can only draw as much as it needs. if your amp draws 200amps  for example, and the stock alternator can only allow 100amps, you are now 100 amps over the peak and you can burn out your alternator or worse fry your electrical system. so just a recap, caps are really just bs. a cap can only fill in a power gap for a second or so, then recharges. which is no help. 





Posted By: rub8322
Date Posted: June 01, 2009 at 1:17 AM
what is the big 3, what does it consist of?




Posted By: rub8322
Date Posted: June 01, 2009 at 1:24 AM
disregard the post above, i must have over looked it, they have a thread explaining the big three. thanks, sorry.




Posted By: ianarian
Date Posted: June 02, 2009 at 3:32 AM
Please tell me you got a full car kit of sound dampener. If the amp is in the trunk a cap wont hurt. Its a cheaper upgrade but you want to do everything you can to help that amp. Yellow Top Optima says my opiniarian. Curse the audio store for selling the equipment short. All to often brands get bad reps due to this. Stock equipment in any vehicle isnt intended for much more than it was designed for. A option can be to have 2 Yellow Top's and relay them to have 1 designated to run only on acc. So if it dies you have the other to start the car. Your stock alternator will only have to recharge 1 battery plus what it took to start the car on the other. I would get a second opinion on this though. Its a theory I thought of and use and dont know if its a common practice.

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