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aznboi3644 wrote:

woofer size has nothing to do with how low it will play.

8's will play just as low as 15's...its all about the enclosure. I would first look on how much space you are willing to give up.

Type R's like BIG enclosures...I'd do atleast 2 cu ft per 12. Atleast 4 cu ft per 15.

but for how many 8s you will need to keep up with 1 15 its just not worth it SPL wise. and most 15s are made to hit real low where not all 8s will. all subs have a Frequency Response range they will play. most 8s dont have as low of a Frequency Response as 15s. thats where every one gets the idea of 15s hiting lower. also 15s hit there peek SPL at a lower frequency then 8s. so yea some 8s will play low but there peek SLP will be at a higher frequency.

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djrankin004 wrote:

kicker makes a 1 ohm stable amp? if so its not recent. Model plz?

KX1200.1 the model prior to the ZX line was 1 ohm stable.

As for what will best suit you the 12s could be a bit louder because you have more cone area. As said above the box tune and size will dictate your sound and output.

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moparfan1234 wrote:

aznboi3644 wrote:

woofer size has nothing to do with how low it will play.

8's will play just as low as 15's...its all about the enclosure. I would first look on how much space you are willing to give up.

Type R's like BIG enclosures...I'd do atleast 2 cu ft per 12. Atleast 4 cu ft per 15.

but for how many 8s you will need to keep up with 1 15 its just not worth it SPL wise. and most 15s are made to hit real low where not all 8s will. all subs have a Frequency Response range they will play. most 8s dont have as low of a Frequency Response as 15s. thats where every one gets the idea of 15s hiting lower. also 15s hit there peek SPL at a lower frequency then 8s. so yea some 8s will play low but there peek SLP will be at a higher frequency.

Its about the enclosure. The "peek (lol sp?) spl has nothing to do with the subwoofer...it is dependent on the enclosure. Saying "most 15's are made to hit real low" is false...every speaker is different.

8 inch subs can have just as low of a "frequency response" as any 15...Again it is dependent on the enclosure.

People who think 15's hit "lower" than 8's are noobs...its a FACT. Ask any KNOWLEDGEABLE audio installer/designer.

You still have much to learn. I've gotten one 12 inch sub to play lower and louder than 15's I've heard. The "frequency response" that you see are made up figures from the manufactures. A subwoofer can play well below its Fs depending on the enclosure.

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aznboi3644 wrote:

Type R's like BIG enclosures...I'd do atleast 2 cu ft per 12. Atleast 4 cu ft per 15.

I have a question for you about this. I have heard many people recommend a fairly large enclosure for the Type-Rs. I have modeled up the Type-Rs in many different enclosures using BassBox and have not seen any major advantage from using a larger enclosure. I have also made many enclosures for the Type-Rs. I have used some designs with a larger volume and some with the smaller volume. People have seemed to like the smaller enclosures more from my perspective.

The only difference I have noticed is that a larger enclosure gives slightly louder, deeper bass then a smaller enclosure. This is a very small difference. The disadvantage is a higher group delay then a smaller enclosure.

So I was just wondering what you have seen as being an advatage for using a larger enclosure. I'm not trying to debate you on this or say you are wrong I'm just wondering your opinion. posted_image

The group delay is not noticeable between the different sized enclosures...the design plays a part. To me having a bigger enclosure gives better efficiency...also the the added output from the port can be adjusted with the port area. Type R's have a ridiculous mechanical power handling...so the bigger enclosure doesn't hurt. I've given my Type R 1200 watts free air basically (t-line) and it never complained.

If I was use the Type R for more of an SQ install I would do around 1.5 cubes tuned to 33Hz. But if the space can be used I'll always go with the bigger enclosure for better efficiency because I never worry about the Type R having mechanical issues.

I like big ported enclosures...Screw Hoffman's Iron Law I'll give up size lol.

Also I will never install a Type R in a sealed enclosure...they sound horrible IMO...the roll off is way too high. Low end sucks.

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i got a qestion. i got some 15" type Rs a few months ago used and they came with a prefab ported box that was 2 cubic foot and of corse i had to see how loud it really was. i hit 146.7 DB with them in my S10 blazer. that was with my kicker 1500.1 amp. now i heard some one say i needed to build a biger box so i looked all over and i found in an old post on here the specs for a 4 cubic foot ported box and i copyed it to ever detail. it seemed to be louder but it didnt sound as good IMO and when i finally tolk it back to see how much louder it really was the best i could get was 141.4DB thats with the same amp same head unit and i had to turn the amp up just a tuch. what gives? i feel i should of keep the smaller prefab box it did better. why?

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

aznboi3644 wrote:

The group delay is not noticeable between the different sized enclosures...the design plays a part. To me having a bigger enclosure gives better efficiency...also the the added output from the port can be adjusted with the port area. Type R's have a ridiculous mechanical power handling...so the bigger enclosure doesn't hurt. I've given my Type R 1200 watts free air basically (t-line) and it never complained.

If I was use the Type R for more of an SQ install I would do around 1.5 cubes tuned to 33Hz. But if the space can be used I'll always go with the bigger enclosure for better efficiency because I never worry about the Type R having mechanical issues.

I like big ported enclosures...Screw Hoffman's Iron Law I'll give up size lol.

Also I will never install a Type R in a sealed enclosure...they sound horrible IMO...the roll off is way too high. Low end sucks.

I totally agree witht that. I do use pretty much that exact design for the SQ, of 1.5 cubes @ 32 or 33Hz. I do typically go around 2 cubes for more output.

I wouldn't really ever recommend sealed either.

Thanks.

joeb3845 wrote:

i got a qestion. i got some 15" type Rs a few months ago used and they came with a prefab ported box that was 2 cubic foot and of corse i had to see how loud it really was. i hit 146.7 DB with them in my S10 blazer. that was with my kicker 1500.1 amp. now i heard some one say i needed to build a biger box so i looked all over and i found in an old post on here the specs for a 4 cubic foot ported box and i copyed it to ever detail. it seemed to be louder but it didnt sound as good IMO and when i finally tolk it back to see how much louder it really was the best i could get was 141.4DB thats with the same amp same head unit and i had to turn the amp up just a tuch. what gives? i feel i should of keep the smaller prefab box it did better. why?

could some one please help me understand? im not trying to make this hard i just want to understand.

joeb3845 wrote:

joeb3845 wrote:

i got a qestion. i got some 15" type Rs a few months ago used and they came with a prefab ported box that was 2 cubic foot and of corse i had to see how loud it really was. i hit 146.7 DB with them in my S10 blazer. that was with my kicker 1500.1 amp. now i heard some one say i needed to build a biger box so i looked all over and i found in an old post on here the specs for a 4 cubic foot ported box and i copyed it to ever detail. it seemed to be louder but it didnt sound as good IMO and when i finally tolk it back to see how much louder it really was the best i could get was 141.4DB thats with the same amp same head unit and i had to turn the amp up just a tuch. what gives? i feel i should of keep the smaller prefab box it did better. why?

could some one please help me understand? im not trying to make this hard i just want to understand.

It depends on the overall specs of the enclosure. You said you used a 2 cubic foot and a 4 cubic foot enclosure. That would explain a little bit of it but what is also important is the tuning frequency of the enclosure. The tuning frequency of the enclosure will greatly impact the overall sound of your subs.

You said you have a 2 cubic foot prefab enclosure. Is that per chamber?

The prefab enclosure probably has a higher tuning frequency then the other enclosure. That would mean more output from your subs. What you think sounds good may be different then what someone else thinks sounds good so I cannot really tell you for sure why you would think the 2 cubic foot enclosure sounded better. It could be you like the sound of the higher tuning or it could be the 4 cubic foot enclosure is sounding "sloppy".

With the tuning frequencies of the enclosure we may be able to tell you more about why this is.

So I am thinking I should go with the 2 12" since it will be more efficient and play louder at lower wattage, since it has more cone area. I will build a 3.8-4 cu.ft box let me see what will fit in the back of this Honda Civic.

Oh... My... God...

bumflik wrote:

So I am thinking I should go with the 2 12" since it will be more efficient and play louder at lower wattage, since it has more cone area. I will build a 3.8-4 cu.ft box let me see what will fit in the back of this Honda Civic.

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Have you heard NOTHING that has been said? If an 8 can play as low as a 15, why can't one 15" driver be louder than two 12" drivers?

Cone area has nothing to do with how loud, how "fast", or how deep a woofer can play. It is all in the motor, not the diaphragm. My Eclipse Ti 10" played NOTICEABLY lower and every bit as loud as the Ti 12" (both drivers were DVC 4 ohm - so the amp was making the same amount of power), both in JBL SpeakerShop spec'd enclosures, with the SAME amplifier, and placed identically in the car. The 12 actually had more "punch" though, and I was amazed by that... The larger driver "sounded faster". And no, I didn't use published Theil/Small parameters; I hand-spec EVERY driver I model an enclosure for. (I spec every driver because published specs can be as much as 10% off on any given or even multiple parameters - a significant amount.)

Oh, and there is no such phrase as SQL... We've debunked it many times here. (Well... except for Microsoft database engines, but that's not what we're discussing, is it?)

Oh, and do the math:

area of a circle = pi*r²

7.5 * 7.5 * 3.141592 = 176.71455 square inches for one 15" woofer
6 * 6 * 3.141592 * 2 = 226.194624 square inches for two 12" woofers

That is just over 49 square inches of difference, in favor of the two 12s. In order to gain even a noticeable difference in output, you would have to have slightly over three 12s surface area. Two 12" drivers versus one 15" driver, with all sensitivities being the same, you'll have less than 1dB advantage, and probably give up more enclosure volume in the trunk.

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haemphyst wrote:

Dear God... PLEASE make it stop! The voices...!

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

gotcha...thnx I decided to buy 1 Alpine type R . I will run it with 1200 RMS from a kicker AMp with a 3.6 cu.ft @ 33 hz.

Another quick question before I get the 15". Which would have more SPL, 2x12" Type R or the 1 15" type R?

you just got one type R 15?? I'd go with 4 cubes

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bumflik wrote:

Another quick question before I get the 15". Which would have more SPL, 2x12" Type R or the 1 15" type R?

haemphyst wrote:

That is just over 49 square inches of difference, in favor of the two 12s. In order to gain even a noticeable difference in output, you would have to have slightly over three 12s surface area. Two 12" drivers versus one 15" driver, with all sensitivities being the same, you'll have less than 1dB advantage, and probably give up more enclosure volume in the trunk.

I think this pretty much explains it. The output would be nearly the same or less then a couple of decibels in difference.

ok thnx im goin to get da 15" alpine type R and make a build log soon

aznboi3644 wrote:

moparfan1234 wrote:

aznboi3644 wrote:

woofer size has nothing to do with how low it will play.

8's will play just as low as 15's...its all about the enclosure. I would first look on how much space you are willing to give up.

Type R's like BIG enclosures...I'd do atleast 2 cu ft per 12. Atleast 4 cu ft per 15.

but for how many 8s you will need to keep up with 1 15 its just not worth it SPL wise. and most 15s are made to hit real low where not all 8s will. all subs have a Frequency Response range they will play. most 8s dont have as low of a Frequency Response as 15s. thats where every one gets the idea of 15s hiting lower. also 15s hit there peek SPL at a lower frequency then 8s. so yea some 8s will play low but there peek SLP will be at a higher frequency.

Its about the enclosure. The "peek (lol sp?) spl has nothing to do with the subwoofer...it is dependent on the enclosure. Saying "most 15's are made to hit real low" is false...every speaker is different.

8 inch subs can have just as low of a "frequency response" as any 15...Again it is dependent on the enclosure.

People who think 15's hit "lower" than 8's are noobs...its a FACT. Ask any KNOWLEDGEABLE audio installer/designer.

You still have much to learn. I've gotten one 12 inch sub to play lower and louder than 15's I've heard. The "frequency response" that you see are made up figures from the manufactures. A subwoofer can play well below its Fs depending on the enclosure.

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2 hifonics bxi608d
1 kinetic hc 800
alpine reciever
infinity kappa door speakers

the guy that thinks 8 inch woofers can hit low notes like 15 inch woofers obviously doesnt no a thing about car audio..do u no how big of a box and how many 8 inch subs you would need to produce a low note like a 15...15s are for low bass 8 inch subs are for people who dont like crazy bass..im not even going to get into this..this is a no brainer

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4 12s cvr sealed
2 hifonics bxi608d
1 kinetic hc 800
alpine reciever
infinity kappa door speakers

BAD attitude to have in this forum. We are not the ususal dumb asses over at caraudioforum.com You should REALLY check out what we know before you come in here with those kinds of ideas...

An 8" WILL go as low as a 15". I guarantee it. It may or may not have the same OUTPUT AT A GIVEN FREQUENCY, but I can tell you from experience that they can go that low. Take your New York attatude back to New York. You'll be welcomed here as soon as you chill.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

6thaveme wrote:

the guy that thinks 8 inch woofers can hit low notes like 15 inch woofers obviously doesnt no a thing about car audio..do u no how big of a box and how many 8 inch subs you would need to produce a low note like a 15...15s are for low bass 8 inch subs are for people who dont like crazy bass..im not even going to get into this..this is a no brainer

what is a note? a note is a given frequency, correct? so frequency = note as far as terminology is concerned. with that being said, a SUB woofer regardless of size will produce the notes it is designed to produce which are frequencies/notes between 20hz up to around 200hz(more or less). an 8 inch SUBWOOFER is designed to hit these frequencies just as much as an 18 inch subwoofer. the output may be less but the frequency response is still there, and with the right enclosure, it will be audible. you might need many 8's to equal the low frequency audibility of an 18 but even with 1 8 inch sub the frequency response is still there.

and you dont no a thing about grammar

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6thaveme wrote:

the guy that thinks 8 inch woofers can hit low notes like 15 inch woofers obviously doesnt no a thing about car audio..do u no how big of a box and how many 8 inch subs you would need to produce a low note like a 15...15s are for low bass 8 inch subs are for people who dont like crazy bass..im not even going to get into this..this is a no brainer

Re-reading, for re-addressing...

Speaking of no-brainers... There is ZERO difference between car audio and home audio, and anybody that thinks there is, got no brains... Even for those people that don't like "crazy bass".

Sorry, 'volters, I just had to add that jab. Did I mention that this guy REALLY irked me?

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

ok now u guys need me to realy get into this go on kicker.com and read the specs for a kicker l7 an 8 inch kicker l7 has a response from 28hz to 100hz.A 15 inch kicker l7 has a reponse from 18hz to 100hz.So mr platinum you tell me how a 8inch sub is going to catch low frequienies like a 15inch sub obviously the box desighn has alot to do with it tuning the port etc but if the sub doesnt respond to 27hz and lower it isnt going to be makeing any bass in the well desighned box its in.......therefor a 15 inch sub in a box tuned correctly will be more responsive and produce much stronger bass at low frequincies..i used kicker l7 as an example this is pretty much with every woofer out there 15s are for realy low bass 8 inch subs are worthless in my book

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4 12s cvr sealed
2 hifonics bxi608d
1 kinetic hc 800
alpine reciever
infinity kappa door speakers

You are so very wrong, my friend... Very wrong. That's called "USABLE" frequency response. That means that in most cases, that is what the woofer can produce in USABLE output. That doesn't mean that it can't produce any frequency outside of that band. EVERY driver diaphragm is going to respond to whatever frequency you put into it, even a tweeter diaphragm can respond to below 27Hz. It can't put any SPL out at those frequencies, simply due to the lack of excursion, but the diaphragm WILL respond. I have a single 10 in my trunk that you would NEVER be able to tell was not at LEAST a 12 inch driver, just hearing it's low frequecy response. In my car, I hit 21Hz, FLAT! It'll flex my windshield to the point of bouncing my wiperblades. With a 10! ONE! I have three regular mebers (and two not-so-regular) that have heard this system, and will vouch for it's capacity.

Learn when you are outclassed, and/or outknowledged, and learn a little bit before you come back here telling us we are wrong. It's not us.

Oh, by the way? Kicker is worthless in my book... Mass market crapola, skewing the specs as bad as ANYBODY out there, overinflating the numbers for "capability" purposes, and one of the foremost spewers of BS in years!

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

haemphyst wrote:

You are so very wrong, my friend... Very wrong. That's called "USABLE" frequency response. That means that in most cases, that is what the woofer can produce in USABLE output. That doesn't mean that it can't produce any frequency outside of that band. EVERY driver diaphragm is going to respond to whatever frequency you put into it, even a tweeter diaphragm can respond to below 27Hz. It can't put any SPL out at those frequencies, simply due to the lack of excursion, but the diaphragm WILL respond. I have a single 10 in my trunk that you would NEVER be able to tell was not at LEAST a 12 inch driver, just hearing it's low frequecy response. In my car, I hit 21Hz, FLAT! It'll flex my windshield to the point of bouncing my wiperblades. With a 10! ONE! I have three regular mebers (and two not-so-regular) that have heard this system, and will vouch for it's capacity.

Learn when you are outclassed, and/or outknowledged, and learn a little bit before you come back here telling us we are wrong. It's not us.

Oh, by the way? Kicker is worthless in my book... Mass market crapola, skewing the specs as bad as ANYBODY out there, overinflating the numbers for "capability" purposes, and one of the foremost spewers of BS in years!

PREACH!!

haemphyst is not the only one who will tell you the same thing. we dont make this up, we just look at years of experience and performance, not over inflated spec numbers that companies use to sell equipment. your L7 might be loud, to you, but that doesnt mean it is a quality, well engineered product. you called me out for being an alpine fan boy in another post but ive never owned an alpine product ever, im just looking at known performance and my past experience.

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you are righ about that kicker is over rated and in most cases years of experiance will be the final answer over specs from a website...i do agree with you...sound security..but the guy that responded telling us his 10 flexed the windshield and etc im doughting your abilities to make a single ten do those things..listen i beleive a 15 sounds better when producing low bass..through my experience...

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4 12s cvr sealed
2 hifonics bxi608d
1 kinetic hc 800
alpine reciever
infinity kappa door speakers

that just shows that your "experience" is VERY limited. It's fact that an 8" sub will play just as low as a bigger sub. You just have yet to experience it.

I do not doubt that haems 10" flexes his windshield...its about the enclosure.

Pete a.k.a Hexibase had people thinking he had two 15's and over 1000 watts with this TWO 8" SUBWOOFERS and 800 watts. Flexed his sunroof and hatch.

I agree that you do need to learn when you aren't right and just stop and learn something. There is a lot of knowledge here. People won't respond to ignorant attitudes.

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I'm done with you. For you to call me out, when you have NO IDEA of my experiences, training, or anything else about me... Are you aware of ANYTHING involving a transmission line enclosure? I have been building them for YEARS, and I have one TL in a friend's house, that with 100 watts, will LITERALLY shake glasses from the kitchen cabinets, and rattle the garage door. That is NOT bull, amigo. Perhaps you should read my bio, or even check on my personal car's install... (And that's all stuffed in a Civic.) That's all me. I've been in the audio industry longer than you've been ALIVE, potentially, (certainly longer than you have been out of school, before you ever crimped your first butt-connector) I can say that with some amount of certainty, as I am fully aware of the age of many of the 12 volt industry's employees/installers/devotees.

I have told you already, that there are three REGULAR members on this very forum that have heard my system, (and two not so regular members as well) and you still doubt. I can't make you believe me, you probably wouldn't anyway, but I assure you, I am NOT Kicker, I ACTUALLY tell it like it truly is.

Just be warned, I will be watching you, and I will smack you down openly and publicly, (there won't be any nice-nice PM to you, EVERYBODY'S gonna know you are/were wrong) whenever I see you "pulling a Kicker", (I like that phrase, I think I'm going to keep it! NOT intending that to be a "funny", either. It'll be a "call-out".) and I assure you that I will not be wrong NEARLY as often as you are.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

you will what smack me down openily in public...dude i realy dont care how much you no about car audio neither does anybody else on this website..im 18 years old and i guarantee i no more about car audio then you will no 15 years down the road from now..and thats a promise..i have built systems that hit 160s on the tl.dont beleive me go on kinkgofkingzny.com and see for yourself...your status here or anywhere means nothing to me stop trying to prove yourself because it makes you look like your lieing if you need to explain yourself..nobody here can change my mind about my beleifs..everybody here likes to spit knowledge like they created car audio..

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4 12s cvr sealed
2 hifonics bxi608d
1 kinetic hc 800
alpine reciever
infinity kappa door speakers

6thaveme wrote:

im 18 years old and i guarantee i no more about car audio then you will no 15 years down the road from now.

hilarious

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6thaveme wrote:

you will what smack me down openily in public...dude i realy dont care how much you no about car audio neither does anybody else on this website..im 18 years old and i guarantee i no more about car audio then you will no 15 years down the road from now..and thats a promise..i have built systems that hit 160s on the tl.dont beleive me go on kinkgofkingzny.com and see for yourself...your status here or anywhere means nothing to me stop trying to prove yourself because it makes you look like your lieing if you need to explain yourself..nobody here can change my mind about my beleifs..everybody here likes to spit knowledge like they created car audio..

With an attitude like that you WILL NOT even come close to the knowledge that man posseses. You tryed to argue some stupid stuff that was in no way shape or form even close to right before. Now you have to come back with i have built systems over 160db? Who is trying to prove them self now? Dude chill out learn a thing or two. There is a lot of knowledge here for the taking.

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Bye... Have a nice life! (I only say that, because it sounds like a sign-off...) When you open your eyes, and learn that you DON'T know it all, and that maybe there are people that CAN teach you something if you'd only listen, you'll be a MUCH happier person.

And I WAS right! I *have* been doing this longer than you've been alive! (That really does explain your attitude.) I might also mention, by your typing and language skills, that it sounds like the New York state's school system ALSO has a "No Child Left Behind" plan, just like California. I weep for our future.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

hilarious......well i hope all you mobile gods are at the usaci comps this summer so i can show you how hilarious this realy is....

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4 12s cvr sealed
2 hifonics bxi608d
1 kinetic hc 800
alpine reciever
infinity kappa door speakers

https://www.soundoff.org/usaci.htm look up the next event thats close to you haemphyst and i will be there and lets see how much you realy no about makeing windshields flex....

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4 12s cvr sealed
2 hifonics bxi608d
1 kinetic hc 800
alpine reciever
infinity kappa door speakers

6thaveme wrote:

hilarious......well i hope all you mobile gods are at the usaci comps this summer so i can show you how hilarious this realy is....

Huh... 160dB burps! WHOOP-de-freakin-DA! Who gives a crap? 'Cause that *IS*, after all, the most important part of car stereo. What about frequency response, staging, linearity? All those OTHER things that are so much a part of REAL stereo... Build a decent daily driver, something that can be used... Then come back and talk to us.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

www.kingofkingzny.com

i fixed your link.

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6thaveme wrote:

dude i realy dont care how much you no about car audio neither does anybody else on this website

Actually we do. Haemphyst is one of the reasons I visit this forum because of his knowledge well above what you get at any other forum. Put this together with some of the other members here and you have years and years of experience. That is what makes this place great and why you will learn a lot if you read what others say.

There are many people that come thru here thinking they know it all and that we are all wrong. Well the fact is that no matter how much you think you know the truth may actually be different. Many times experienced installers come here thinking they no something and come to find out they were wrong. That is a reason this place is great because no matter what you expereince level is you can learn something new.

6thaveme wrote:

..im 18 years old and i guarantee i no more about car audio then you will no 15 years down the road from now

6thaveme wrote:

..and thats a promise..i have built systems that hit 160s on the tl.dont beleive me go on kinkgofkingzny.com and see for yourself...your status here or anywhere means nothing to me stop trying to prove yourself because it makes you look like your lieing if you need to explain yourself..nobody here can change my mind about my beleifs..everybody here likes to spit knowledge like they created car audio..

You better type your responses better or you will get more crap. People on here like to speak proper english and use correct punctuation. posted_image

6thaveme wrote:

hilarious......well i hope all you mobile gods are at the usaci comps this summer so i can show you how hilarious this realy is....

Ever been to finals? posted_image I have.... Oh crap i even had a WR for 100 watt consumer. See ya at finals this year if you make it.

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6thaveme wrote:

https://www.soundoff.org/usaci.htm look up the next event thats close to you haemphyst and i will be there and lets see how much you realy no about makeing windshields flex....

And I don't compete in SPL... I compete in SQ, something you know NOTHING about. I also joind SQ comps, based on a USACi JUDGE'S recommendation... That's how good MY systems are.

MOD, PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD, my fingers are getting tired, beatin' on this guy!

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

I never said that i wouldent learn anything here on 12volt obviously thats y im here.I just dont agree with some of the things you guys say.

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4 12s cvr sealed
2 hifonics bxi608d
1 kinetic hc 800
alpine reciever
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If that is the case, then explain to us WHY you don't agree. ASK questions, try to learn something. MUCH better responses than "you are wrong" will get you.

We have tried repeatedly to explain to you, without SAYING you are wrong, (well, maybe a little bit) rather, supporting our views with logic, proof, and supporting arguments.

Now, if you'd like our help, please ask, and SOMEONE will help you, I promise you that.

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That means quite a bit to me!)

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

if you dont agree with what someone says, maybe you should ask why they say what they say? instead of closing your mind to all answers but your own. the people that really know something have no problem giving explanations of why they say certain things, but you need to lose the "I know everything" attitude. at the very least the things that YOU say will be taken more seriously by everything else.

i was looking at your site and found that build for 6 CVR's. nice build, but i noticed that you had no kind of internal bracing considering that was such a huge box you probably would have gained a db or two if you would have braced the big walls in that box

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I apoligize for my attitude i would appreciate any help your willing to give.....

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to all the guys that """"think""" any 8" sub will play as low as a 15" your so full of it. yes i will agree that some will but not all will keep the same SPL at the lower end. yes some will because they are made to not all subs are made for it.

GET IT THREW YALLS HEAD its the sub and box matched if the sub was not made to play that low it WILL LOOSE SPL.

this came strate from the top 3 word wide sub makers/ compation winners of the USA

if you dont beleve me call them for sure they have done way more car audio then any of you that sit on a forum all day where they deal with real car audio all day

Here we go again...

To translate:

joeb3845 wrote:

to all the guys that """"think""" any 8" sub will play as low as a 15" your so full of it. yes i will agree that some will but not all will keep the same SPL at the lower end. yes some will because they are made to not all subs are made for it.

What he MEANT to say was this, so Dave wrote:

To all the guys that think any 8" sub will play as low as a 15", you're so full of it. Yes, I will agree that some will, but not all will keep the same SPL at the lower end. Yes, some will, because they are made to, not all subs are made for it.

None of us EVER said that any single 8" would play as loud as any single 15" sub in an equivalent alignment. All we DID say was that the enclosure made more difference to the extension than ANY driver by itself was capable of producing. I never said that any single small driver would not have to be "doubled up" in order to produce the same output as a larger single driver, especially when referring to extension.

joeb3845 wrote:

GET IT THREW YALLS HEAD its the sub and box matched if the sub was not made to play that low it WILL LOOSE SPL.

What he MEANT to say was this, so Dave wrote:

GET IT THROUGH Y'ALLS HEADS: It's the sub and box matched. If the sub was not made to play that low, it WILL LOSE SPL.

Again... Noone is disputing that in any way, shape or form. Not one of us.

joeb3845 wrote:

this came strate from the top 3 word wide sub makers/ compation winners of the USA

What he MEANT to say was this, so Dave wrote:

This came straight from the top three world wide sub makers/competition winners in the US!

Do you mean Kicker? Sorry, we've already dispelled Kicker as a reputable manufacturer. Don't try to throw that back into our faces. Rockford Fosbreak? Puh-LEEZE. As bad as any of them in the number stretching department... Your turn.

Steven Kephart, a member on this forum, used to WORK for one of the most respected names in driver technology today. I happen to know Dan Wiggins of Adire Audio, as well. I also PERSONALLY know Thilo Stompler of TCSounds fame. I know TWO driver design engineers at Harman International in Northridge, CA. Tom Bohlender (of Bohlender/Graebner fame) and I are very close friends, we drink and play poker together in Incline Village where he lives. David Yohn, a mod on this very board has had MANY years of audio design experience, and has worked for the military in various infrasonic (translation, (in case you don't know how to use a dictionary, and THAT wouldn't surprise me in the slightest...) low frequency) audio related capacities (I hope that's not too much info, Dave...)

joeb3845 wrote:

if you dont beleve me call them for sure they have done way more car audio then any of you that sit on a forum all day where they deal with real car audio all day

What he MEANT to say was this, so Dave wrote:

If you don't believe me, call them. For sure they have done way more car audio than any of you that sit on a forum all day, where they deal with real car audio all day.

Call who? Sure, it's easy to come in here and not have any idea of what's transpiring, and blow off incorrectly spelled and punctuated sentences about this and that, but who are we supposed to call? Ghostbusters? I'll tell you the same this I told 6thaveme: "Go away". You aren't worth my time.

As opposed to... what? FAKE car audio? You obviously have more time on YOUR hands than you should have also. The way you type and punctuate, leads me to believe STRONGLY that you are really 6thaveme or in some way "friendly" with him... Again. "Go away".

I actually have a real job, as well. IT Manager in a doctor's office. I run my own IT consulting business on the side, and I work a third job as an IT consultant for another company in Bakersfield. I know, you're gonna say "What's IT got to do with audio?" Well, I actually STARTED in audio, and moved to IT.

Now, put down the jigsaw, and go back to school. Pay attention this time, please? I think I'll go weep for the future again...

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

I owned a 1986 Honda CRX, I had probably about 10 different sub configurations in it over the 10 years I drove it. 4 15s 2 15s 4 12s 2 12s 6 10s and finally 4 8s in a ported enclosure. Most of the boxes were powered by the bottom half of a Rockford Power 650. The 4 8s mounted behind the shock tower, with each pair Vd and firing out of each side of the vehicle, was definitely the best sounding and got lower than any of the previous systems. So to all of you guys that THINK that 8s can get as low as 15s, I believe you.

No means Know.

sorry i ment to post this in a thread of it own and i will try to be more specific on what was said. also this has nothen to do with kicker i dont like any thing from kicker ether. if the mods let me i will create a post just for my phone calls and no non of them are cheap 2nd hand nock offs but however i dont feel i am aloud to revill there name

i know im a bad speller im sorry

You can post anything you want. As a member, you can create threads, just like everybody else. Please have at it...

Being specific is one thing, but again, how are we to know you are telling the truth, if you won't reveal a name or even a manufacturer? I smell fish.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

i did make a thread about it and it was deleted.

i would love to name the makers but i also dont want a law suit over it because some one may feel im taking there info and some how slandered there name. you know what i mean?

i will tell you there not the low end crap brands or non brand names.

joeb3845 wrote:

i did make a thread about it and it was deleted...

joeb3845, your topic that was deleted was a duplicate post of the following post made in this thread:

joeb3845 wrote:

to all the guys that """"think""" any 8" sub will play as low as a 15" your so full of it. yes i will agree that some will but not all will keep the same SPL at the lower end. yes some will because they are made to not all subs are made for it.
GET IT THREW YALLS HEAD its the sub and box matched if the sub was not made to play that low it WILL LOOSE SPL.
this came strate from the top 3 word wide sub makers/ compation winners of the USA
if you dont beleve me call them for sure they have done way more car audio then any of you that sit on a forum all day where they deal with real car audio all day

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joeb3845 listen these guys no everything about car audio i tried to tell them the same thing but like 25 people started freaking out on me telling me how they built systems before i was born and theres no way shape or form i kno anything about car audio.Listen a single 8 is never going to accomplish the same db numbers that a single 15 will below 30z i dont care what experiance you have or how big of a box the 8 inch woofer is in. my 15inch kicker l7 is in a 4 cuft box tuned to 35hz and will blow away any inch sub out there on the market on a db meter ...Im not a sq system builder nor a clean looking system builder but when it comes to getting high numbers on that meter i could school half the guys on this website yes i said it school half this guys on this website dont care how much you no or what you built..tiger woods was better at golf at the age of 18 than any 50 year old experianced golf player.Jordan was better at age 18 than any basketball player.. age or experiance has nothing to do with anything some people have a natural talent for this kind of stuff..Im done arughing with you guys on this topic..

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yea i wanted the post in this thread deleted not the thread i started. man this is hard to get poeple to understand any thing

joeb3845, I'll agree that it is hard to get some people to understand anything. What difference does it make to you if your post is in a different thread than this one when you were obviously referring to posts made in this thread? Please help me understand.

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joeb3845 wrote:

yea i wanted the post in this thread deleted not the thread i started. man this is hard to get poeple to understand any thing

Well... Just imagine how we feel.

Volt... I think he means that he knows more than we do, and he is having a tough time getting us to BELIEVE that he knows more than we do.

joeb and 6thave... If you were to take a little bit of time, and actually THINK about what you are trying to say BEFORE you type it, then it will all seem so much clearer for everyboy reading it. Listen to the way you would SPEAK the message. Wherever you would pause for a breath, place a comma. Wherever you would start a new thought, place a period. It's really quite easy, even an 18 year old could do it. posted_image

Before you hit the post button, re-read the entire message; I know it might sound OK as you are typing it the first time, but when you re-read it, you'll be amazed at how many of your own mistakes you will find.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

the12volt wrote:

joeb3845, I'll agree that it is hard to get some people to understand anything. What difference does it make to you if your post is in a different thread than this one when you were obviously referring to posts made in this thread? Please help me understand.

i was reading this thread when i was on the phone and didnt relize i was posting it to this thread i ment to make a pasific thread about it so i could explain every thing all in one thread. its not just because of this thread that i wanted to post it i have read many threads that what i said would fit in. i would also like to put in less of a jerk way of saying it. if you would be nice and delete my post on this thread i could make it sound better and not so rude. is it really that big of a deal for what i have to say to be in a thread all of its own?

also why should this thread still get beatin to deth hasent it went to far in the first place? i mean you guys have banned me for less then the stuff that was said it this thread.

but i wont have a tuff time explaining how i no more than you..Im new to this website it is great and very informative on many feilds of car audio but let me tell you all something...I havent even droped 1 percent of my knowledge on you guys yet..when i find a topic worth arughing i will spit some knowledge to you that you wouldent beleive came from a guy doing this 3 years compared to your prehistoric years of experiance..You havent seen anything yet my freind.......

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6thaveme wrote:

but i wont have a tuff time explaining how i no more than you..Im new to this website it is great and very informative on many feilds of car audio but let me tell you all something...I havent even droped 1 percent of my knowledge on you guys yet..when i find a topic worth arughing i will spit some knowledge to you that you wouldent beleive came from a guy doing this 3 years compared to your prehistoric years of experiance..You havent seen anything yet my freind.......

You tell em! *eating popcorn* I look forward to seeing more of you posts! posted_image

6thaveme wrote:

but i wont have a tuff time explaining how i no more than you..Im new to this website it is great and very informative on many feilds of car audio but let me tell you all something...I havent even droped 1 percent of my knowledge on you guys yet..when i find a topic worth arughing i will spit some knowledge to you that you wouldent beleive came from a guy doing this 3 years compared to your prehistoric years of experiance..You havent seen anything yet my freind.......

X2 buddy people on a forum only see a post # and think you know nothen

joeb3845 wrote:

i was reading this thread when i was on the phone and didnt relize i was posting it to this thread i ment to make a pasific thread about it so i could explain every thing all in one thread. its not just because of this thread that i wanted to post it i have read many threads that what i said would fit in. i would also like to put in less of a jerk way of saying it. if you would be nice and delete my post on this thread i could make it sound better and not so rude. is it really that big of a deal for what i have to say to be in a thread all of its own?...

If you'd like to create a new "less of a jerk way of saying it" topic and posts links to the other threads you were referring to in your post, please do, but your original post in this topic is relevant to the remainder of this thread and will not be deleted.

joeb3845 wrote:

i would love to name the makers but i also dont want a law suit over it because some one may feel im taking there info and some how slandered there name. you know what i mean?

Naming manufacturers is not slander and will not bring on a lawsuit.

joeb3845 wrote:

X2 buddy people on a forum only see a post # and think you know nothen

Another generalization. More often than not, it's very easy to recognize a knowledgeable member from his/her very first post.

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the12volt wrote:

joeb3845 wrote:

i was reading this thread when i was on the phone and didnt relize i was posting it to this thread i ment to make a pasific thread about it so i could explain every thing all in one thread. its not just because of this thread that i wanted to post it i have read many threads that what i said would fit in. i would also like to put in less of a jerk way of saying it. if you would be nice and delete my post on this thread i could make it sound better and not so rude. is it really that big of a deal for what i have to say to be in a thread all of its own?...

If you'd like to create a new "less of a jerk way of saying it" topic and posts links to the other threads you were referring to in your post, please do, but your original post in this topic is relevant to the remainder of this thread and will not be deleted.
joeb3845 wrote:

i would love to name the makers but i also dont want a law suit over it because some one may feel im taking there info and some how slandered there name. you know what i mean?

Naming manufacturers is not slander and will not bring on a lawsuit.
joeb3845 wrote:

X2 buddy people on a forum only see a post # and think you know nothen

Another generalization. More often than not, it's very easy to recognize a knowledgeable member from his/her very first post.

so since im a bad speller in my first post that means i dont know much like every one says?

joeb3845, I can't vouch for what you know and I made no reference to your poor spelling or knowledge. If you believe it makes you appear to be less knowledgeable, then that's on you.

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the12volt wrote:

joeb3845, I can't vouch for what you know and I made no reference to your poor spelling or knowledge. If you believe it makes you appear to be less knowledgeable, then that's on you.

i know you never said it but people on the forum do. i was just making a statment of how people are on this forum and most other forums.

now this is gona put you on the spot a lil. but since you said in the very first post some one makes you can tell how smart some one is. well i have made many posts how knowledgeable am i?

joeb3845, you're not putting me on the spot at all. I said "More often than not, it's very easy to recognize a knowledgeable member from his/her very first post." I did not say "I could tell how smart someone is from their very first post." I hope you recognize the difference between those two statements.

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man, is not your spelling ability that makes people think you are not as knowledgeable. its the fact that people use "lil" instead of "little", "no" instead of "know". we know that you have to know the difference between "know" and "no". this just speaks to us (me in particular) as a complete lack of effort. true, it doesn't judge how much you know about the 12 volt industry, but it helps other people make sense of the things that you try to express in type. you do NOT have to be an english major to make an effort to make sense. truthfully, i just made about 15 mistakes trying to write this very post, but you wont find one in the copy that you will read. why? because i look at it and re-read it before i hit the post button.

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the12volt wrote:

joeb3845, you're not putting me on the spot at all. I said "More often than not, it's very easy to recognize a knowledgeable member from his/her very first post." I did not say "I could tell how smart someone is from their very first post." I hope you recognize the difference between those two statements.

yea reread my post i asked how knowledgeable am i. yes i used the word smart befor but i didnt use it to ask you how knowledgeable am i??

soundnsecurity wrote:

man, is not your spelling ability that makes people think you are not as knowledgeable. its the fact that people use "lil" instead of "little", "no" instead of "know". we know that you have to know the difference between "know" and "no". this just speaks to us (me in particular) as a complete lack of effort. true, it doesn't judge how much you know about the 12 volt industry, but it helps other people make sense of the things that you try to express in type. you do NOT have to be an english major to make an effort to make sense. truthfully, i just made about 15 mistakes trying to write this very post, but you wont find one in the copy that you will read. why? because i look at it and re-read it before i hit the post button.

do you know why i use other words or sortened words when i post? its because i cant spell the word needed or if i make it short it will probly look better to you then miss spelling it so bad not even i could know what it ment.

kinda like when i used the word smart insted of knowledgeable because i had to copy and past that word if there was know one els that used that word it would come out like this-- nolidgable < yea that bad could you really make sence of that? so i would place the word smart because i know how to spell it. at one time i didnt know how to spell > because< you know what i had to use this> cuz< or >becuz< all because i didnt know how to spell it. i finally got laffed at anough about how i spelled it it got beat in my head. yea i dont know how to spell laffed you know as in haha type of thing.

also there are many people that know me in real life (not on the net) that know i know alot but i have a very hard time typing what i mean to say.

like i know diesel motors (i say motors because i dont know how to spell engin) i can build a 600hp diesel truck i know i can i have one in my drive way that runs in the high 12s in a 1/4 mile and i have slips to prove it but theres no way i could explain how to do it all by typing it. do you guys understand where im coming from? me not being able to spell really makes me look like i dont know much.

joeb3845 wrote:

the12volt wrote:

joeb3845, you're not putting me on the spot at all. I said "More often than not, it's very easy to recognize a knowledgeable member from his/her very first post." I did not say "I could tell how smart someone is from their very first post." I hope you recognize the difference between those two statements.

yea reread my post i asked how knowledgeable am i. yes i used the word smart befor but i didnt use it to ask you how knowledgeable am i??

joeb3845, please do not mix my words. I said what I meant and it should not be interpreted to mean anything else. I can not answer your "how smart or knowledgeable am I" question and never insinuated I could.

BTW, the two words "smart and knowledgeable" do not mean the same thing. A person can be both, neither, or one.

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6thaveme wrote:

but i wont have a tuff time explaining how i no more than you..Im new to this website it is great and very informative on many feilds of car audio but let me tell you all something...I havent even droped 1 percent of my knowledge on you guys yet..when i find a topic worth arughing i will spit some knowledge to you that you wouldent beleive came from a guy doing this 3 years compared to your prehistoric years of experiance..You havent seen anything yet my freind.......

18 years old...not even dropped 1% of your "knowledge". So far you haven't shown any knowledge at all. Still a noob to me.

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joeb3845 wrote:

soundnsecurity wrote:

man, is not your spelling ability that makes people think you are not as knowledgeable. its the fact that people use "lil" instead of "little", "no" instead of "know". we know that you have to know the difference between "know" and "no". this just speaks to us (me in particular) as a complete lack of effort. true, it doesn't judge how much you know about the 12 volt industry, but it helps other people make sense of the things that you try to express in type. you do NOT have to be an english major to make an effort to make sense. truthfully, i just made about 15 mistakes trying to write this very post, but you wont find one in the copy that you will read. why? because i look at it and re-read it before i hit the post button.

do you know why i use other words or sortened words when i post? its because i cant spell the word needed or if i make it short it will probly look better to you then miss spelling it so bad not even i could know what it ment.

kinda like when i used the word smart insted of knowledgeable because i had to copy and past that word if there was know one els that used that word it would come out like this-- nolidgable < yea that bad could you really make sence of that? so i would place the word smart because i know how to spell it. at one time i didnt know how to spell > because< you know what i had to use this> cuz< or >becuz< all because i didnt know how to spell it. i finally got laffed at anough about how i spelled it it got beat in my head. yea i dont know how to spell laffed you know as in haha type of thing.

you completely misunderstood what i am trying to say. like i said, its no big deal if you cant spell certain words. using smart instead of knowledgeable is a SMART thing to do if you dont want to spell knowledgeable because it still is perfectly clear what you are trying to say. and trust me, none of this is aimed at you personally. but if you are trying to explaim something complicated, and you want people to understand so that you get the right answer back, it would be best to try, because many of the smart and knowledgeable people on here that know the answers wont even bother if they need to translate your post first. and once again, this aint aimed at you, it should go for everyone. and im not trying to be insulting, im just explaining how it works

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the12volt wrote:

joeb3845 wrote:

the12volt wrote:

joeb3845, you're not putting me on the spot at all. I said "More often than not, it's very easy to recognize a knowledgeable member from his/her very first post." I did not say "I could tell how smart someone is from their very first post." I hope you recognize the difference between those two statements.

yea reread my post i asked how knowledgeable am i. yes i used the word smart befor but i didnt use it to ask you how knowledgeable am i??

joeb3845, please do not mix my words. I said what I meant and it should not be interpreted to mean anything else. I can not answer your "how smart or knowledgeable am I" question and never insinuated I could.
BTW, the two words "smart and knowledgeable" do not mean the same thing. A person can be both, neither, or one.

yes you did now you have to lie to get your self out of it? wth? you said befor that the very first post some one makes you can tell how knowledgable they are. now im seeing just how knowledgable you are.

aznboi3644 wrote:

6thaveme wrote:

but i wont have a tuff time explaining how i no more than you..Im new to this website it is great and very informative on many feilds of car audio but let me tell you all something...I havent even droped 1 percent of my knowledge on you guys yet..when i find a topic worth arughing i will spit some knowledge to you that you wouldent beleive came from a guy doing this 3 years compared to your prehistoric years of experiance..You havent seen anything yet my freind.......

18 years old...not even dropped 1% of your "knowledge". So far you haven't shown any knowledge at all. Still a noob to me.

im sure theres many that would say the same about you.

soundnsecurity wrote:

joeb3845 wrote:

soundnsecurity wrote:

man, is not your spelling ability that makes people think you are not as knowledgeable. its the fact that people use "lil" instead of "little", "no" instead of "know". we know that you have to know the difference between "know" and "no". this just speaks to us (me in particular) as a complete lack of effort. true, it doesn't judge how much you know about the 12 volt industry, but it helps other people make sense of the things that you try to express in type. you do NOT have to be an english major to make an effort to make sense. truthfully, i just made about 15 mistakes trying to write this very post, but you wont find one in the copy that you will read. why? because i look at it and re-read it before i hit the post button.

do you know why i use other words or sortened words when i post? its because i cant spell the word needed or if i make it short it will probly look better to you then miss spelling it so bad not even i could know what it ment.
kinda like when i used the word smart insted of knowledgeable because i had to copy and past that word if there was know one els that used that word it would come out like this-- nolidgable < yea that bad could you really make sence of that? so i would place the word smart because i know how to spell it. at one time i didnt know how to spell > because< you know what i had to use this> cuz< or >becuz< all because i didnt know how to spell it. i finally got laffed at anough about how i spelled it it got beat in my head. yea i dont know how to spell laffed you know as in haha type of thing.

you completely misunderstood what i am trying to say. like i said, its no big deal if you cant spell certain words. using smart instead of knowledgeable is a SMART thing to do if you dont want to spell knowledgeable because it still is perfectly clear what you are trying to say. and trust me, none of this is aimed at you personally. but if you are trying to explaim something complicated, and you want people to understand so that you get the right answer back, it would be best to try, because many of the smart and knowledgeable people on here that know the answers wont even bother if they need to translate your post first. and once again, this aint aimed at you, it should go for everyone. and im not trying to be insulting, im just explaining how it works

yea i understood what your saying. and thank you for being one of the very few that are not being a jerk.

joeb3845 wrote:

the12volt wrote:

joeb3845 wrote:

the12volt wrote:

joeb3845, you're not putting me on the spot at all. I said "More often than not, it's very easy to recognize a knowledgeable member from his/her very first post." I did not say "I could tell how smart someone is from their very first post." I hope you recognize the difference between those two statements.

yea reread my post i asked how knowledgeable am i. yes i used the word smart befor but i didnt use it to ask you how knowledgeable am i??

joeb3845, please do not mix my words. I said what I meant and it should not be interpreted to mean anything else. I can not answer your "how smart or knowledgeable am I" question and never insinuated I could.
BTW, the two words "smart and knowledgeable" do not mean the same thing. A person can be both, neither, or one.

yes you did now you have to lie to get your self out of it? wth? you said befor that the very first post some one makes you can tell how knowledgable they are. now im seeing just how knowledgable you are.

Lie? Again, I never said "the very first post someone makes I can tell how knowledgeable they are". Unfortunately for you, you misinterpreted it that way, but that is not what I said, nor did I insinuate it. And once again, I said "More often than not, it's very easy to recognize a knowledgeable member from his/her very first post." Where's the lie??

The way you have been misinterpreting what I and other members are saying on here may very well be the reason we are having a difficult time communicating with you and 6thaveme. Hopefully we can break this barrier sooner than later.

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Wow, when the "knowledge" gets dropped someone please let me know. I have read pretty much this entire thread and I feel as if I am actually less intelligent now then I was when I started. Therefore, someone owes me some useful information to at least even me back out.

I also now have a headache from struggling to comprehend what is trying to be argued.

JoeB or 6thave do us a favor and start a new thread giving us a quick intro in to something useful in car audio/electronics. It can be something simple like wire sizing and proper fusing or something more complicated about the art of time alignment with no time delay processors, or anything in between. Instead of claiming you know all, teach us! We are eager!

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Kevin Pierson

KPierson wrote:

Wow, when the "knowledge" gets dropped someone please let me know. I have read pretty much this entire thread and I feel as if I am actually less intelligent now then I was when I started. Therefore, someone owes me some useful information to at least even me back out.
I also now have a headache from struggling to comprehend what is trying to be argued.

JoeB or 6thave do us a favor and start a new thread giving us a quick intro in to something useful in car audio/electronics. It can be something simple like wire sizing and proper fusing or something more complicated about the art of time alignment with no time delay processors, or anything in between. Instead of claiming you know all, teach us! We are eager!

I second those emotions ;)

~wirewise~

joeb3845 wrote:

aznboi3644 wrote:

6thaveme wrote:

but i wont have a tuff time explaining how i no more than you..Im new to this website it is great and very informative on many feilds of car audio but let me tell you all something...I havent even droped 1 percent of my knowledge on you guys yet..when i find a topic worth arughing i will spit some knowledge to you that you wouldent beleive came from a guy doing this 3 years compared to your prehistoric years of experiance..You havent seen anything yet my freind.......

18 years old...not even dropped 1% of your "knowledge". So far you haven't shown any knowledge at all. Still a noob to me.

im sure theres many that would say the same about you.

Am I claiming to be a god that this??
-No.

Did I ever say I had endless knowledge of audio??
-No.

Grow up. If you are as smart as you say you are than back it up.

If there are many that would say the same about me than lets take a look...how many people on here would say I am comparable to this child??

If you know as much as you say you do then why not post something that doesn't make the reader more illiterate.

I third the motion of KP and WireWise.

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azn:

1: HERE, HERE! I've already tried to extract from him anything that would keep us from thinking he ISN'T knowledgeable, and see where we are? Still arguing whether he is or not! He *is* only 18, so we have to cut SOME slack...

2: I cannot say that you are comparable. (And not in the bad way, either!)

3: Thank you! I agree, and I, too, am eagerly awaiting some of the cool, refreshing knowledge rain to quench my thirsty idiot brain!

4: ...and the motion carries!

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

6thaveme wrote:

joeb3845 my 15inch kicker l7 is in a 4 cuft box tuned to 35hz and will blow away any inch sub out there on the market on a db meter ...Im not a sq system builder nor a clean looking system builder but when it comes to getting high numbers on that meter i could school half the guys on this website.......

I can promise you are wrong here. So your L7 going to beat any other sub out there? I really hope i see you at finals this year.

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just when you think it might be over.......nope.

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why am i the one that needs to prove what i know? you guys are so smart and know more because you have been a a forum so long thinking every one you """want""" to beleve is right.

but since yall think your so smart anser this in good detail. since this is a part of car audio

alternator

1. do you know how to rebuild it?

2. do you know how to build one to put out more amps and last? as in what parts needed what needs to be changed and/or upgraded to handle the higher amps needed to run you car audio system? ( you may use any car or trucks alternator as an example)

3. do you know how to help your stock alternator keep up with a small amplifiers draw. some then like a 60amp alt with a 1000watt rms amp?

4. does any car or truck have a stock fuse between the alternator and battery thats may need up graded?

now im not gona say i know every thing and im sure theres thangs you guys know i dont and vise versa.