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Topic: looking for cheap subs with a good sound

Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Subject: looking for cheap subs with a good sound
Date Posted: March 17, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Hi I had 2 10 inch rockford fosgate T1's and a rockford T10001bd amplifier. Due to a malfaunction in the amp, it took both subwoofers down as well. So now I am looking for 2 10 inch subs for a 1.8cbft box that can give me sound close to the T1's for a very low cost.

I know alot of the 200$ for the T1's is just for the name brand. and we have all been amazed by a cheap subwoofer that we never thought could sound like that. Turns out there is hundreds of subwoofers out there that i cannot get too so I am asking is there any out there that you have herd that have amazed you?

Example: Im seeing lots and lots of good reviews for lanzar subwoofers that are 59$.. But are these beginner reviews?

1.8 cbft Sealed enclosure Dual 10 inch

T10001bd Amp (1300 Actual wattage)

Thanks alot



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Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Also I have to have a subwoofer that can catch the Low notes Very Accurately since I dont have enough room to port my enclosure. Thanks

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Posted By: red49er
Date Posted: March 17, 2009 at 4:59 PM
check into MB Quart. they're German designed and made by rockford/fosgate (so says the web site). I know they're not too expensive. good luck




Posted By: bigblue06
Date Posted: March 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM
DB drive. go with the SPL series..You will not be disappointed.




Posted By: ragsports
Date Posted: March 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM
You say cheap but what is your budget for the 2 subwoofers?




Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 17, 2009 at 7:34 PM

The Budget isnt set. But im trying to stay under $150 for 2. My dream is to stay around $100 for 2. and thats where those lanzars come in with all these good reviews i see about them. But I have never really experianced the sound of Lanzar subwoofers. I've always blew them off... Now i need to hear them badly.

even the Quantum Audio 10 inch Cozmik Series. They are 100 for the pair too. And i hear people saying those arent good subs. But are those the kinda people that usually have 10 thousand watts and 20 10 inch subs? or are those average people like me that just want some pretty good SPL and lows?



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Posted By: ragsports
Date Posted: March 17, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Lanzar subwoofers usually dont have very good build quality and if you are concerned at all with sound quality these wouldent be the choice for you. With that being said your budget really limits you on the quality of a woofer you will be able to get your hands on.. Have you ever looked into pioneer subwoofers? They are not the best by any means, but with the money you are trying to spend they are a good choice. They are loud and usually hit the lows very well.




Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 17, 2009 at 10:57 PM
I really am not looking for SQ. looking for SQ at such a low price i'd be pretty disappointed. If i can get some great SPL for a low cost then that will be more worth it. Atleast the Quality from the T10001bd will somewhat show through a little with the quality signal. The thing with the pioneers is there are SO many different champion versions. I dont know which one is the one that will give me what im looking for. because they are all around the same price range 

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Posted By: ayalahomero
Date Posted: March 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM

You should be able to pick up 2 kicker comps for around 100 bucks a pair.  Might have to shop around a little bit, but you'll find them at that price.  They are the best "cheap" sub I've used.  I have been very happy with their performance, and so have all the people who's car I've installed them in.

Actually just installed two in a custom sealed box.  Think it was around 1.5 cu ft per chamber if I remember correctly.  Put them on a kicker 300.1 and they sound great. 





Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 18, 2009 at 7:40 PM
The thing about kicker cvr and alot of other kicker subs is that so many people have them and i dont want people to be able to almost predict the sound of my system you know? With you installing subwoofers often do you know of a pair of 10inch that would give me low notes, high spl, SQ (doesnt matter), around 150 for the pair. and 700wrms and less because Im not getting a new amplifier. 

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Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: March 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
If you want loud...invest in a proper enclosure.

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Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 19, 2009 at 4:33 AM

Well it is a proper sealed enclosure. And I don t have money to spend anymore. I go to University of Florida and these classes are expensive and books and what not. The sealed box is solid though.



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Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: March 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM
doesn't matter if its solid. If you want the most spl you can get a sealed enclosure is the complete opposite.

If you want high spl and a sealed enclosure you are going to need
-Cone Area
-A lot of power.



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Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM

aznboi3644 wrote:

doesn't matter if its solid. If you want the most spl you can get a sealed enclosure is the complete opposite.

If you want high spl and a sealed enclosure you are going to need
-Cone Area
-A lot of power.


Imean I understand ported would definately be my best bet. But I cant, ive asked for a ported box everytime Ive had a box in my truck. And im told "no" it cant happen under the seat. Alright So how does 4 10 inch Pioneer Champion series and 1400wrms (actual wattage on Birth Certificate) T10001bd watts sound for some descent SPL. they are 350 RMS in a 2 Cubic Ft box. I can have them down firing under the backseat of my truck all the way across. Do you think that would hit hard than 2 10 inch T1's in same box and wattage?



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Posted By: quakerman
Date Posted: March 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM
I have a friend that has four of the Champion Series 10's in a sealed box in his trunk. He is pushing them with a Kicker 1500.1 @ 1ohm. he is retarded loud! sounds great. I think Pioneer is a grat brand at both the entry level as well as the high-end market if you can do it. I swear by Pioneer and love the products.

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My Vehix
95 Caddy Eldog
4 TSW3004       
4 PRSd3000SPL      
1 PRSd4000f
2 TS-A6961R
Yellow top
BattCap 800   
Custom 200 amp alt.

03 Ford Expy
4 GTO1504D
1 GTO14001
4 GTO8627




Posted By: quakerman
Date Posted: March 19, 2009 at 1:12 PM
I meant Pioneer is a GREAT brand. I can spell sorry.

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My Vehix
95 Caddy Eldog
4 TSW3004       
4 PRSd3000SPL      
1 PRSd4000f
2 TS-A6961R
Yellow top
BattCap 800   
Custom 200 amp alt.

03 Ford Expy
4 GTO1504D
1 GTO14001
4 GTO8627




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: March 19, 2009 at 3:20 PM
four 10s should sound pretty good with the power behind it.

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Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 20, 2009 at 12:48 AM

what do you think about powerbass subwoofers? Have you heard them? I have been looking at their M-series 10 inch but no one has mentioned them in any posts. Anyone have advise on these subs?



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Posted By: ragsports
Date Posted: March 20, 2009 at 8:35 AM
Powerbass is garbage stay away from them




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: March 20, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Powerbass isn't garbage. The S series is a good bang for your buck.

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Posted By: bigmikeww
Date Posted: March 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Just go with the pioneer. They are cheap and sound good for what you want to spend. If you haven't heard of the name before, for this price range, its probably crap.




Posted By: flogger11
Date Posted: March 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Bang for the buck you cant beat the Phoenix Gold RSDc subs. 

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Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 22, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Hey everyone i have finally made my decision. It was a long fought battle between Powerbass, lanzar, SPL, Lanzar, planet audio, hifonics, and some other low cost companies but with the Airspace, mounting depth, QTC, and rms wattage. I came out with...

The Powerbass M-10, M-series :

• Power Handling Capacity (Peak) : 600W

• Power Handling Capacity (RMS) : 300W

• Nominal Impedancel : Single 4 ohm

• Voice Coil Size : 2"

• Frequency Response : 29Hz - 500Hz

• Sensitivity : 91dB/W/M

• Motor Structure : 140 oz

• Mounting Depth : 5.3"

Enclosure Specs:

 
Optimum Sealed Vol.
 
Standard
 
Metric
 
Gross Vb Internal
 
0.75 cu. ft
 
21.24 Liters
 
F3 (-3dB Cutoff)
 
48 Hz
 
48 Hz
 
Poly-Fill
 
Yes
 
Yes
 
Qtc
 
.83
 
.83
 
Pe (Watts-Rms)
 
100 - 300 Watts
 
100 - 300 Watts
 
Acceptable Volumes
 
(.5 - 1.3 cu. ft)
 
(14.16 - 37.51 Liters)

I chose this subwoofer because-

  • The 300 RMS wattage of the subs for my 1300wrms T10001bd amplifier is perfect for 4 of these. Because I am able to get the subs full SPL capabilities without maxing out my amplifier. (in a sealed enclosure, I know ported would be much better)
  • The QTC suggest that this sub is capable of playing nice low notes in a sealed enclosure
  • My enclosure is going to be about 2.75 cbft so the minimum .5cbft is perfect.
  • the mounting depth is good for a easy enclosure build under my back seat of my truck. ( rear seat lift)

I will be starting out with 2 of these subs. And if I am impressed I will buy 2 more and build the four 10inch enclosure

If im not impress then Lanzar and pioneer will definately be in the running

Thanks for everyones suggestions.



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Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 25, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Yeah change of plans im gonna go with the 4 Pioneer TS-W258D2. Ive been doing even more extensive research and these just came out and with a beatiful frequency range of 20-180hz. ( I listen to alot of bass dropping songs) hopefully this means that it is specializing in this low range very well and Alot of people like the first model. i think this is one of those subs you can just kind of trust... if that makes sense. 

Do you think it would be a problem to possibly under power them 20-50 watts? well not really a problem but just noticable?



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Posted By: ragsports
Date Posted: March 25, 2009 at 10:50 PM
nope wont be a problem at all, you wont even notice that, it might translate into a 1 db loss, This you will not be able to tell. ust build a good box to spec, or use a box building program and it should sound good. I have never been disapointed with pioneer, with your budget they would have been my choice as well




Posted By: pcguy760
Date Posted: March 26, 2009 at 12:20 AM

ragsports wrote:

Lanzar subwoofers usually dont have very good build quality and if you are concerned at all with sound quality these wouldent be the choice for you. With that being said your budget really limits you on the quality of a woofer you will be able to get your hands on.. Have you ever looked into pioneer subwoofers? They are not the best by any means, but with the money you are trying to spend they are a good choice. They are loud and usually hit the lows very well.

I second that because I use to work in a car stereo shop and when a customer installed some Lanzar subs it would almost certain they would be back with some wierd problem like the cone seperating from the spider or the flexible wire that goes into the sub from the terminals breaking off, etc. I dunno how long way they have come now...





Posted By: pcguy760
Date Posted: March 26, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Speaking of cheap subs that sound good, I bought a set of 15" Ultimate dual 2 ohm (yeah ULTIMATE wow) off Ebay from some teenager who never got to use it. Long story short, I wish I could find more of these because these things sound GREAT. I have looked high and low but never found any info on these. I try not to put too much power into them though - the SQ is amazing for it being Ultimate not to mention they sound loud too.





Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: March 26, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Try these Pioneers... Right spot on your 150 budget, including tax and shipping!

There's where I'd start, and go up from there.

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Posted By: rfhvhtoo
Date Posted: March 26, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Yeah I was looking and the CHAMPION series 10inch I can find for like 60 bucks! then I was looking Both the Pioneer and Pioneer Premiere have came out with a new Champion model subwoofer. (The premiere about 10-20$ more) I was trying to see what the difference was between the subs and all im seeing is

the spider on the Pioneer Premier (TS-W1008D2|D4)  is "Aramid Fiber" and the Spider on the Normal Pioneer model ( TS-W258D2|D4) it is "Conex"

Is it really worth paying more? Does the Aramid Fiber allow more excursion or is more durable?

and the only difference between the Old (TS-W1007D2|D4 ) and the new TS-W1008D2|D4 Champion series is the Gasket is now "ABS" not "Molded"

What is the Gasket? Is this going to increase anything or make the sub more efficient?

Thanks Again. And Also I am buying 4 of them.



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