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rf 325.1 bad outputs? repairable?

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Topic: rf 325.1 bad outputs? repairable?

Posted By: just4today
Subject: rf 325.1 bad outputs? repairable?
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I have a Rockford Fosgate 325.1 . Bench tested it today . Amp will power on and stay on . Hooked up a signal and checked speaker terminals with meter set on AC volts . The volts are very unstable - rapidly going up,down,etc.. Outputs are toast ? I found the FET`s on audio side of amp,part # FQA28N15 .
Is this repair as simple as replacing those two FET`s ?
Thanks



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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Were you using music or a signal generator as a source?   What makes you think that the 28N15s are toast?




Posted By: just4today
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM
music . However , I did hook up my RF 600.1 and 200.2 and they both had steady , well , steadier voltage readings - at least , I could have read them .
What are you thinking could be wrong w/325 ? I just assumed outputs were gone . Outputs though is something i`ve always heard thrown around like it`s the only thing that could ever go bad .
With cover off of amp I also noticed a pot that could be adjusted near the audio side . What is this ?
The 325 will hopefully be on a single 10" kicker comp . This week I installed HU and RF punch components in the doors of my 93` Jeep Cherokee . Those speakers sound great . They are an older series only rated at 50w rms and seem to be doing great off of HU alone . I left the stock rears disconnected and couldnt be happier with RF`s at this point . Will that 10 be better sealed or ported with this amp ?
Thanks all for helpin` out !




Posted By: just4today
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Later that day I reconnected the 600 to verify the 10 works . All is well w/sub . I thought of putting sub on the 325 , but if 325 is not right wont it burn up my sub ?




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 6:17 PM

DO NOT ADJUST the controls inside of the amp.  These are the Bias adjustments.  If you turned them any at all, turn them full counter clockwise and leave them there.  If you did not adjust them DO NOT TURN THEM FULL CCW.    The voltage jumping around is normal with music playing.  What exactly is the amp doing or not doing?

Power the amp up and check the amount of DC voltage between the positive and the negative speaker terminal.  The only way it can hurt your speaker is if there is a boatload of DC voltage between the terminals.

If there is no metal clamp holding the transistors to the heat sink, those transistors are soldered to the thermal strip that is mounted to the heat sink.  It requires a torch to remove and resolder those transistors.  Were there any 36P15's, or were all of the outputs the 28N15's?





Posted By: just4today
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 7:09 PM
I have not adjusted anything .
I went out and hooked up the 325 . I found stock speaker from Jeep and hooked it up high pass 200hz . Using the Technics receiver in the garage for rca out . The speaker did not play , only push cone forward and stop , switch polarity and then cone pull and stop .
I measured terminals with multimeter . A+/A- = 40 DCV , B+/B- = 40 DCV , A+/B- = 40 DCV .

Thanks




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM
40 volts of DC = A boatload of DC voltage. Open the amp back up and with your meter set to the diode test function. It will be the only setting with a drawing, it is the symbol for a diode. Of course the amp should not be connected. You facing the transistor with the numbers so you can read them, place one meter lead on the center leg of the transistor and the other lead to the right leg, notice the reading. Duplicate for all of the outputs. They may all be the 28N15s but there may be some 36P15s. Let me know the readings on all transistors.

That amp is a 1 channel amp. A positive and B positive are connected together inside the amp. So are the 2 negative terminals.




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 7:35 PM
I am not familiar with that particular amplifier, but if it has 4 28Ns or 2 28Ns and 2 36Ps, we can get sound out of it today. There is probably only 2 shorted output transistors. We can cut the shorted ones off of the board. This will allow the amp to play again. It will not play long under any kind of a load. Reason for that is we are going to remove half of it's current capabilities by removing the shorted transistor. The only reason we are going to try to make it play is to determine if there is any more damage. Do not cut any parts off of the board until you let me know the readings you come up with. Then there will be one more set of readings to take so we can identify the shorted ones.




Posted By: just4today
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Lots of different settings on DMM . I used ohms . I know . . . you said diode right . Well , i`m just not seeing it . Seems like a nice enough meter to not have it .
Q120 - 28n15 = .0 ohms
Q123 - 28n15 = 11.5 ohms
Q118 - 36p15 = 8.15 m ohms
Q122 - 36p15 = 8.02 m ohms

Was this any help to you ? Thanks again for your help tonight . You seem to have been around a few amps .




Posted By: just4today
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 7:44 PM
2 28`s and 2 36`s




Posted By: just4today
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 7:46 PM
just4today wrote:

Lots of different settings on DMM . I used ohms . I know . . . you said diode right . Well , i`m just not seeing it . Seems like a nice enough meter , surprised it`s not on there .
Q120 - 28n15 = .0 ohms
Q123 - 28n15 = 11.5 ohms
Q118 - 36p15 = 8.15 m ohms
Q122 - 36p15 = 8.02 m ohms

Was this any help to you ? Thanks again for your help tonight . You seem to have been around a few amps .





Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 8:01 PM
It appears as though you used the center leg and the left leg, instead of center and right.  If you did, the transistor that read 0 is the shorted one.  If you have some very small diagonal cutting pliers, Radio Shack sell a pair that they call or used to call Nippy Cutters.  They work great.  cut all 3 legs of that transistor.  Cut as close as you can to the board, and then flip the pliers over and cut as close as you can to the base of the transistor.  You want to cut a section out so that there is no chance of any contact.   After you do this, power the amp up and check for DC voltage.  If it is above (.)2 volts, do not connect a speaker.  If it is below that, connect the speaker again and listen to the amp.  You are to be listening for distorted sound at low volume.  Do not turn it up loud.  If it sounds good at low volume, the only defective part is the shorted output.  However you really need to replace both of them.  The 36Ps should be OK.  The reason you need to replace both of the 28s is, they both went through the same abuse.  One of them failed, but the other one can be and probably is damaged.  Yet another reason that you should not play it loud.  Let me know what it sounds like when you play it.




Posted By: just4today
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Stock speaker probably never sounded so good . Thanks alot ! I went A+/B- because this is mono amp . Anyway the meter read .0002 +/- DCV . I only cut the one transistor 28N15 location Q120 that read 0 ohms . So , now I buy a couple transistors . I found them online at Fairchild semiconductors . They`re like $1.50 each however it`s 11 dollars shipping . Is there any cheaper place or an equivalent part number to source locally . I`m only about 20-30 minutes from MCM electronics .

About the actual replacement - desolder with braid and/or pump and then solder in place finally applying thermal compound . You mentioned torching something . What`s up with that ? All I have is propane torch for plumbing . This could be turned down I guess but what is it that needs torched ?

Thanks for helping this rookie out . Someday I hope to be as helpful to someone .




Posted By: just4today
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 8:53 PM
I just read this note - rookies can not edit . Ok then , that`s why the double post earlier .


Once this amp is stable and installed I plan on using a 10" kicker comp sub , any opinion on sealed vs. ported or box size ?






Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 9:23 PM

I don't think MCM sells those.  You can check though.  I would recommend buying a butane torch from Radio Shack.  20 bucks.  I would not use a plumbing torch.  The transistors are soldered to that thermal strip.  This is not going to be an easy task.  The amp needs to be unmounted from the heat sink, all components that are mounted to the strip that contains the output need to be unsoldered from the circuit board.  You need to go to Office Depot and purchase some medium size binder clips.  Spring clips to hold a stack of papers together. Whatever other devices are mounted to that strip need to be clamped down with the clips. If ther are 3 metal legs that connect to the strip, they need to be retained also.  A pair of Hemostats works really well for this.  Once you have all other devices clamped down, place the strip in a vice.  Have the strip horizontal and the end away from the parts you are working with is to be clamped in the vise.  With the radio Shack torch turned up all the way, start heating area below the transistors to be removed.  Place a small screwdriver in the hole at the top of the transistor.  While heating it, keep a little pressure on the transistor so when it comes off the strip, you can move it off of the strip with the screwdriver.  There are a couple tiny surface mount components near the transistors, you need to make sure that you do not disturb them.  The solder will heat up on them, but they will remain in place if they are not disturbed.  Continue heating the other one and remove it the same way. 

Before you start the above procedure you need to scuff the back side of the new transistors, 400 grit sand paper or a very fine file will work,  just scuff till the shine is gone.  If you do get the Fairchild parts, you may not need to scuff them.  You need to heat the back of the transistors and apply solder to the entire back of the transistor. 

After removing the transistors from the strip while the strip is still hot, you need to add a little solder to the pads where the transistors came off of.   Use the gold dot on the strip as a sight along with the hole in the tranny.  A pair of Vice Grip brand C Clamp works really well for the reinstallation of the new transistors.  They make several sizes.  The small ones work great.  With the transistor placed over the gold dot, start heating the bottom of the strip, with the c clamp pliers opened all the way up, have the top of the clamp resting on top of the transistor to apply gentle downward pressure to the tranny.  When the solder begins to heat up and the transistor sits down on the strip, close the pliers and hold in place untill the solder hardens up,  20 to 30 seconds.  Put a clamp on that one too.  Then install the other one. 





Posted By: just4today
Date Posted: June 20, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Sounds good - will do . I will order parts and install as directed . I had no idea those transistors are soldered to thermal strip . Excellent idea on clamping the parts down . I expect on tues. or wed. I should be able to post results .
Meanwhile , I`m going to build a box for that sub after more research on this site . You and this site both have proven invaluable on this repair/install .




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: June 21, 2009 at 7:29 AM

Hey if you have a digital camera, before you remove the amp from the heat sink, take a few pictures of the strip and the output transistors.  Pay close attention to the tiny components mounted next to the outputs.  You may have to put your camera in the Macro setting.  That is the picture of a flower.  This will allow the camera to focus in an extreme close up shot. 

Also on the 3 metal legs that connect the circuit board to the strip, there is a fiberglass rectangle with a hole in the middle, the screw goes through this part.  When attempting to keep the metal legs in place while torching, put this piece over the legs when attaching the hemostats.  The hemostats alone will not keep all 3 legs in place.  As far as repair difficulty, on a scale of 1 to 10, this repair because of the mounting system, comes in at an easy 12. 






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