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Topic: headlights, taillights and cluster out

Posted By: xchrisx
Subject: headlights, taillights and cluster out
Date Posted: July 14, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I have a 96 eclipse and I am need of some major help. I turned on my headlights and the out of nowhere my taillights went out and also my cluster gauge lights. I checked and it was the fuse that popped. I the replaced the fuse and it still popped, i diesonnected the dimmer switch and turned on the lights, and still the fuse popped. I can not seem to figure it out. Thinking it may have been a short in my headlight switch, I plugged back in the dimmer switch and unplugged the headlight switch wiring harness wire by wire, and while getting ready to put the thin black wire into the switch, I accidentally hit the thin green wire that is built into the headlight switch and heard a click noise I figured it was just a fuse that blew and finished hooking up the wires thinking that that was the problem. I looked and no fuse was blown, I went to turn on the headlights and then not even the headlights worked, I replaced the headlight switch today and it still didnt work, however all bulbs are still good in both the headlights and taillights. I was messing around with it today and if I take out the thin black wire from the headlight switcha dn touch it to the think red wire on that same switch, the headlights will work but I hear a buzzing sound from the fusebox under the hood . The turn signals work and when I click to put the highbeams on, you see the highbeams go on, but the headlights wont work. I have not idea what happened, but I really need the help. Now I have non working headlights, taillights, and also cluster gauge lights, with those not working, I am sort of screwed. Please please please please please.​.​.​PLEASE help me, I have been trying everything. I don't know what else to do, I have checked as much as I know. I looked and I can't find any loose, frayed, broken wires or anything grounding out or not grounded.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: July 14, 2009 at 1:15 PM

If this happened "out of the blue" meaning the vehicle was fine for some period of time and then suddenly this problem developed (and you were not changing anything at the time) then I suggest you need to get it towed to a good auto electrical shop and have it checked out.  If you were doing something related to the electrical system at the time the fuses blew, then start with undoing whatever you were doing to troubleshoot the problem.  In any case, if you don't have the proper meters to test the car's electrical system, you need to get to a shop.



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Posted By: richl68
Date Posted: July 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Red wire in the headlight switch is the  negative headlight wire

the GREEN / WHITE wire in that switch is for the parking lights negative also

if you have a multimeter take it and make sure that these wires rest at ground and that there is no type of resistance in the wiring.

Im not sure about this car but there might be a relay under the hood or in the fuse box that runs the lights also, so might want to check that.

good luck with your issue.





Posted By: xchrisx
Date Posted: July 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM
I was hooking up a monitor to the car, but it was real simple, positive which i ran to my in-dash headunits switched power and ground which I grounded to the body. First I though that the screen went bad because it kinda flickered at first then i shut it off and turned it back on and it was fine for a few min. then literally the lights just shut off and that all happened. I cut the wires for the screen n replaced the fuse, same thing the fuse blew, i disconnected everything electrical in the car and its still doing it. I was thinking of just hooking the headlights and taillights and cluster gauge up together to a toggle switch but i don't know how I would do that, or how I would use my high beams. Also would I still be able to use the brake lights since they are the same bulbs that id be hooking up to the toggle switch??

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Posted By: xchrisx
Date Posted: July 14, 2009 at 1:44 PM
thanks richl68 for the help and also DYohn.

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Posted By: richl68
Date Posted: July 14, 2009 at 1:49 PM

mehh check your illumination wires on the radio i bet its grounding out causing the fuse to continually blow out

these are the orange, ORANGE / white, or ORANGE / black wires that are on the radio harness.





Posted By: xicano21
Date Posted: July 14, 2009 at 11:12 PM
yes i agree with rich, try looking in back of the stereo to check for any bare wires ,




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 8:43 AM

So you got two problems - the original problem that causes fuses to pop and the secondary problem that doesn't allow your headlights to come on.

I would start with the headlight issue - you heard a "pop" so you know something somewhere failed.  In most cases it is a fuse that fails.  How did you check the fuses?  Did you look at them or use an ohm meter?  If you just looked at them you need to go back and check each fuse with an ohm meter (pull it out of the car, test it, put it back in).  Sometimes fuses fail and there is no visible damage to the fuse element.

Once you get that problem "fixed" then attack the tail lights.  I would start by unpluggin the radio and see if the problem goes away.  If it doesn't, I would then try removing all the bulbs in the car (they are more likely to short out then the switch).  If the fuse still pops with no bulbs and no radio installed then you'll need to divide the car up in to sections and start looking for a short to ground.  I find it almost impossible to believe though that out of nowhere a wire just shorted to ground.

Where exactly did you ground the monitor?  I once saw a coworker ground a radio to the illumination relay behind a radio which blew fuses until we removed the screw.



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Posted By: xchrisx
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 9:02 AM
I only checked the fuses by looking at them, I will check with a meter probably today. As far as the taillights, I checked the fuses, the one that keeps popping so obviously somethings bad, but i also took out the bulbs and still the fuse was popping, i spiced into my wiring for the taillights and hooked them up to a battery directly, everything worked fine so its nothing grounding itself out. I grounded the monitor to the car directly and i also tried everything with the radio disconnected and still nothing. thanks again for all the help everyone.

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Posted By: mike swanson
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM
richl68 wrote:

mehh check your illumination wires on the radio i bet its grounding out causing the fuse to continually blow out

these are the orange, ORANGE / white, or ORANGE / black wires that are on the radio harness.




I agree here, It is tied with the radio

Also check out dsmtuners.com
This forum may help you also




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM
If it still pops fuses with all the bulbs unplugged and the radio unplugged you need to use an ohm meter to trace down the short.  If you already cut the tail lights and hooked them up to a battery (and they worked) then you know the wiring there is OK - you basically need to do the same thing for the rest of the wiring (isolate it to a smaller section and test to see if that section is grounded).

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Posted By: xchrisx
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM
what else should i test though? and how? it it seems as though I have narrowed it down to 1 wiring harness, its the one i first described on the headlight switch, because if everything else is disconnected but that one and i go to turn on the lights, it blows the fuse. am I right? is it only that harness or could it still be something else even if nothings hooked up?

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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 12:38 PM
If everything works with the one wire "cut" then the problem has to lie in that wire.  You should be able to measure it to ground and get a resistance reading.  Next, the easiest thing to do would be to find out exactly what the wire does and then start tracing the wire through the car.  Has the car ever been in an accident?  If it has, I would look around the area hit and  see if you can find any damaged wire looms.

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Posted By: xchrisx
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 2:36 PM
okay, and no it hasn't been in an accident, honestly I am completely dumbfounded on this, I have NEVER run in to this and nothing was installed any different than how I've ever installed it. I was reading up and some people say that this happens when their dimmer switch has gone bad, but still it doesn't account for the headlights not working. I took them out of the harness connector for the headlight switch and was installing the wires from the harness 1 by 1 to see where the problem was and then after doing so, the headlights just didn't work anymore. I have to see where the relay even is for this cars headlights because I can't see it anywhere and I've tried switching the relays around on the fusebox and that didn't work either. any input is appreciated. maybe a diagram on how to hook the stuff with a toggle switch? thanks.

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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Have you checked the fuses for the headlight with an ohm meter?

As stated above, you need to focus on one problem or the other - trying to fix two seperate problems at the same time will leave your head spinning.



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Posted By: xchrisx
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM
no i havent tested it yet. haha i hear ya, it is driving me nuts trying to figure this out, but i will check today and see whats going on. 

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Are you trying to troubleshoot by unplugging things and pulling fuses?  Do you not have a VOM?

Like I said at first, it sounds to me like it's time for a trip to the shop.



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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 5:50 PM
  Did you mount an overhead monitor?   Is there a lighted vanity mirror in the passenger sunvisor?  

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Posted By: xchrisx
Date Posted: July 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM
i havent checked with a multimeter yet.  no it was a standalone screen.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: July 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM

xchrisx wrote:

i havent checked with a multimeter yet.  .

That should have been the first tool you grabbed.  Grab it now and start checking for shorts and grounds.



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Posted By: t&t tech
Date Posted: July 16, 2009 at 5:21 PM

i am an idiot wrote:

  Did you mount an overhead monitor?   Is there a lighted vanity mirror in the passenger sunvisor?  

interesting thought mr.idiot, i must say, that would have never occured to me unless i had been in the vehicle, i'm guessing you're thinking he grouned out the wire that turns on the light in the vanity mirror whilst mounting the unit, assuming of course that the unit is in the ceiling! You really should give some thought to changing that screen name of yours, it does no justice to your brilliance!posted_image , and to the original poster of this thread, sorry i couldn't offer any help, but i just had to make this comment. Cheers.



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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: July 16, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Thanks T&T, but the name works fine for me.  They don't expect much from me. 

Just throwing this out there in case you need some help locating the short but are going broke buying fuses.  Take one of the blown fuses, grind the plastic off of a portion of each leg of the fuse.  Grind all the way to the metal.  Solder a wire to each leg of the blown fuse.  A few feet long.  Connect the other ends of the wires to a 12 volt lamp socket.  Place the appropriate lamp in the socket.  Plug the above apparatus into the fuse slot that keeps blowing.  Instead of blowing a fuse, the lamp will illuminate to full brightness.  Any time the lamp is bright, the short is still there.  Maybe you can unplug plugs and lights until you find the one that makes the light go out.  Then figure out what all is connected to that plug to narrow your problem down. 



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Posted By: xchrisx
Date Posted: July 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM
so I figured out what the problem was. the morons who installed my alarm when i first got the car taped over the fuses tied into my lights and cluster gauge, then put those taped fuse holders with fuses in a bunch of wires then taped over them so I had no idea there were fuses in there, until i took it apart and found a blown fuse. well no i figured out what the problem was with everything, too bad i now have to figure out what i did to make the headlight switch not work because thats my only problem now, all gauges work, all gauge lights work, all taillight lights work, now its just something with the wiring for the headlight switch thats all. anyone know anyway to jump it or something just to test or what wire is what for the harness for the switch or even where the relay is for the headlights, cause i tested all fuses and they are all good. thanks!

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: July 22, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Wow, sounds like an install shop I'd never revisit...

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Posted By: xchrisx
Date Posted: July 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM
yeah it will NEVER happen again, they suck. At the time, i didnt know any better because I did tknow what I know now.  But now I am just going to stick with doing everything myself this way when something happens, I know where everything is and what to do.

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