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Topic: alternator rating

Posted By: 04nata
Subject: alternator rating
Date Posted: March 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Below is my current set up,

93 Excel (walled)
Clarion HU
4-Niche6.5"comps/tweets
4-Niche 15" subs sealed
1-JLAudio JX1000/1D
75amp Alt (no headlight dim, no votage drop,,,ever)

So my question is, since the amp on my deck is 20X4 rms, if I disconnect that and put on an additional extrenal amp for the highs that is say 75x2rms (@2ohms), will it make ANY difference on the draw to the alternator?

the deck is a Clarion CZ209 and the amp is Kenwood specs below, and will it sound better?

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2004 Hyundai Sonata
Kenwood KDC-X599 HU
2-Sundown X-18D4
2-SQ Q4500.1
2-SQ Q90.4
1-Massive DBX4
8-Niche 5.25 mids
8-Niche Tweeters
4-Skar 8" mid-bass
OhioGen 220a alt
OhioGen 350a alt
156.0



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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: March 16, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Wull... Yeah. But no, too... It'll be a trade.

Your deck is 20X4 (shyah...) for 80 watts.

80 watts divided by 12 is about 6.75A. YOu SHOULD BE ABLE to subtract that currrent demand from the total of the sheet, listed above, and arrive at roughly 8.25A for the deck power demands without driving a load.

Now... The amplifier you are deciding to install, at 150W, will pull about 15A alone, driven WFO.

So... We started with 15A for the deck, driving speakers.

Now, we remove the deck amplifier from the picture, leaving us 9.25A.

The amp you want to add ia a 15A drain on it's own.

15A + 9.25A = 24.25A

You are going to have the potential to pull more current with deck and discrete amplifer, than deck alone.

Will it sound better? Possibly. Only you can decide that, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that it would sound at least marginally better. It will be louder, and the ear's natural response is to think the "louder" sounds "better". Be careful of that little "stigma". It just happens! posted_image

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."




Posted By: 04nata
Date Posted: March 20, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I have a volt/ohm/amp meter, how do I measure the amps coming from the alternator?

at battery when car is on?



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2004 Hyundai Sonata
Kenwood KDC-X599 HU
2-Sundown X-18D4
2-SQ Q4500.1
2-SQ Q90.4
1-Massive DBX4
8-Niche 5.25 mids
8-Niche Tweeters
4-Skar 8" mid-bass
OhioGen 220a alt
OhioGen 350a alt
156.0




Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: March 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM
What kind of ammeter is it? Clamp on? If so, it's probably only for AC, and you won't be able to measure current. They DO make clamp on DC ammeters, but they're expensive.

DC ammeters you usually have to break the circuit, and insert the leads into the break. Those types of meters are usually also for lower currents... I've never seen one rated for higher than 20A.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."




Posted By: oldspark
Date Posted: March 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Why worry about the current?
Measure the alternator's output voltage (which should be the same as the battery - ie, ~14V).

The bottom line is that if the voltage drops whilst using your audio, you may have an alternator sizing issue if the alternator drops voltage, or cabling issue if the battery or amp see a voltage drop.

But your new system isn't that big - the alternator should handle it unless your other loads are big.
Alternators (should!) have enough capacity for headlights & wipers & heaters in peak hour traffic. You amp isn't that much bigger than headlights.

A voltmeter will tell you all you need to know. Ammeters are only to determine system sizing if it can't be adequately ascertained (or covered by the next sized alternator).



For a bit of background, read the following, though it skimps on detail...
Most modern alternators are set to ~14.2V but can be 14.4V. They should be well above the old 13.8V "standard" for improved battery life.

The alternator's output varies with RPM. Modern alts usually output their set voltage at idle, but at low "power" - ie, the voltage may drop if the load is too high (maybe with headlights, or hi-beams).
But above idle - say ~1,5000 RPM - it should be at its set voltage and handle most normal loads.
Full output should be around 3,000 RPM depending on engine type etc.


At a constant RPM and load, measure the voltage between the alternator output and its case, and compare that to the voltage between (or across) the battery terminals.
Ideally they should be the same, but there will be some drop across the cables and fuse an connections.
If the drop is big, then do the big-3 upgrade. [You can measure from alternator case to chassis to battery-, and alt output to (fuse to connectors to) battery+ to determine where the worst drops are.]
Please don't stick your hands etc in the fan or belts whilst doing those checks - it hurts!





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