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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Printed Date: July 17, 2025 at 12:37 PM


Topic: mustang premium sound

Posted By: msf145
Subject: mustang premium sound
Date Posted: August 13, 2003 at 12:52 AM

me and my friend went today to get subs for his car. he has a 2003 mustang with the premium sound mach system. sounds amazing. he just wanted more bass. after we had everything picked out we told them what kind of car it was and they said it cant be installed in that system. we then went to tweeter and they said the whole sound system had to be replaced if he wanted subs. to me it sounds odd. i dont understand why he cant jsut add a simple subs. nothing fancy. is there anyway to do it?



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Posted By: speedlance
Date Posted: August 13, 2003 at 2:04 PM
Couldnt you use a high to low impedance adaptor?  It converts the high level speaker output to an RCA line level output which you could run into your sub amp input? There is a pyramid model NS60 -- would this work?  Comments anyone?

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Posted By: zargon
Date Posted: August 13, 2003 at 2:46 PM
yes you will be able to use a high level convertor, the best way would be to find the factory subwoofer and tag on to the wires there, isn't in the rear deck of the car?




Posted By: fuseblower
Date Posted: August 13, 2003 at 3:43 PM

First find where the amp is located.  Then look for the wires that are providing the audio signals from the radio.  Here is the deal, the radio probably is sending out preamp voltage since the radio is connected to amplifiers. This means that if you connect a line level converter to your radio the sub will not play because you are not sending the correct signal.  If this is the case what you would have to do is cut the ends off on side of the RCA and tie them into the radio output to the added amplifier.  Everything else should be straight forward. 





Posted By: msf145
Date Posted: August 13, 2003 at 4:25 PM
so where the preamp voltage is going to factory amp in the trunk, i should get some rcas cut off the ends and tie it into the same place? then i just bring those rcas to the sub amp? there are 2 factory amps. does it matter which ones i tie into?




Posted By: ViperATC5
Date Posted: August 13, 2003 at 9:56 PM
I wouldnt recomend cutting the ends of the RCAs and splicing into the wires. You can either grab signal that goes from the amp to the speakers with any line out converter, or you can use a line out converter that is designed to convert low level output wires coming out of the factory deck into an RCA style connector. The advantage to this is the LOCs are adjustable, so you can control the output to your amplifier, whereas you can not if you cut off the ends of the RCA.




Posted By: elrayodesinaloa
Date Posted: August 14, 2003 at 12:44 AM
They said it can't be installed? who are those people everything is possible. Well these guys already gave you a pretty good idea of how to do it and showed you it's possible. The factory amp is below the deck, if I was you I'd make the connections from there following ViperATC5 which is a good and easy idea or if you find the low level factory wires you can tap into them and save the line out converter it's a little harder because you need to find the correct wires but it gives you a "cleaner" signal.  You can't really crank the gain on the line out conv. cause you'll get  "noise" instead of sound. The amp is the ohe that needs to be adjusted. 

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Posted By: esmith69
Date Posted: August 14, 2003 at 6:20 AM

just a note:  I'm gonna assume that this is the Mach 460 system and not the Mach 1000 system.

In the 460 system, there are 3 amps--one in the dash underneath the cd player, that powers the tweeters at all speaker locations, and two in the back for the woofers for all locations (one amp for the front woofers, the other amp for the rear woofers).

When I first did a sub amp in one of these I made the mistake of tapping in to the amplifier that's up at the front.  I had used a speaker popper to find the back speaker wires but at the time I did not know that they were bi-amplified and so when I heard the static come from each speaker I just assumed I had found the correct wire.

Needless to say, when I turned on the system to test it all I could hear some faint sound coming out of the sub I had just added, but absolutely no bass came out.  Once I did some research and found out about the rear amps, I tapped into one of those and was good to go.

Do you have a convertible or a hardtop?  If it's a convertible the amps in the rear are mounted to the rear wheel hump.  If it's a hardtop then the amps are mounted to the roof of the trunk, or the underside of the rear deck or whatever you want to call it.  You should check out this page for more info on how to remove trim panels and stuff to get access to the different components.

As long as you get your signal connections from one of those rear amps, a standard Line Output converter is all that you should need.  Also sometime the mach systems use a low voltage trigger for the factory amps, and so to send a proper +12v turn on signal to your aftermarket subwoofer amp, you may need a low voltage trigger such as the LVT from Peripheral.  Not all of them are like this though, and the only way to know for sure is to do it the old fashioned way: grab a multimeter and measure the voltage.  Anything under, say, 10 volts, will probably mean the factory setup uses the low voltage trigger and thus you'd need that adapter from peripheral.  Anything from 10 volts -13 volts should be okay with your aftermarket amp, but if you'r in doubt just try it and see if the amp powers up.



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Posted By: fuseblower
Date Posted: August 14, 2003 at 8:03 AM

esmith69, I know that you are knowledgeable about car stereos and systems, but I have a question and it's to improve my knowledge and maybe help others out. You recommend placing a LOC

after the subwoofer amp, I noticed that the amplifiers are rated to send out 45 watts RMS. Would this pose a problem to the LOC and possibly fry them in the future from voltage overload.

Here is a link that I found that has some add on items for the mustang system that should help out also.  I am just another car stereo nut that loves to hear it loud and clear. https://www.mustangaudiosystems.com/MustangAudio_page2.htm





Posted By: msf145
Date Posted: August 14, 2003 at 9:20 AM
would i tap the loc onto the input wires of the factory amp or the output wires of the factory amp? also would the loc be for low level or high level?




Posted By: ViperATC5
Date Posted: August 14, 2003 at 2:58 PM
Standard LOCs are designed to be used on the output side of the factory amp - because they need a "high level" signal to convert it to a low level signal. There are converters available that can get the signal from either the input(low) or the output(high)signals to and from the amp. In response to Fuseblower's post, LOCs are rated on how much voltage they can handle, so you want to match them up to whatever application you will be using them for.




Posted By: esmith69
Date Posted: August 14, 2003 at 8:31 PM

Yep Viper's right, you'll most likely use it on the output side of the amp.  Also, almost all LOC's are adjustable which means you can turn down the level if it ends up being too high/sensitive.  However, if the converter itself is not designed to handle the amount of power you send into it, it will have a distorted output no matter how low you adjust its output.

I'd think about getting one from David Navone or Soundgate--both companies make some really solid LOC's and have models that can easily handle the power output of the Ford factory amplifiers.



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