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Topic: Fuse block LED’s

Posted By: mj239air
Subject: Fuse block LED’s
Date Posted: August 19, 2003 at 9:48 PM

Ok I know this can be done but not sure how to. I am wanting to put a bank of LED's up front that has 2 LED's per fuse on my distribution blocks. I want there to be a red and a green LED. The green one will be lit when the fuse is in tact, but if it is blown, I want the red one to light up. I am not sure how to wire this up so if anyone can help I would appreciate it. I thought there was a question like this before but was unable to find any threads



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Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 5:12 AM
yea it can be done, although if i were you i would use a dual color LED, that way it can be green then change to red. But do you want it on when the vehicle is off? Im assuming not... ill draw you up a diagram..




Posted By: sufferrar
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 6:11 AM
This sounds useful to me too. Draw me up one too.

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Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 6:33 AM
Well it would be nice if I could hook it to a switch maybe since my vehicle will be in shows and not always am I going to have the vehicle running. So if I wanted to flip a switch I could show that all my fuses are good. Just a thought. Any help would be appreciated. Never thought of just using the dual color, would be easier that way




Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 7:31 AM

alright here are a few diagrams that will work...

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The first 3 all do the same thing in a different way. first one uses a relay, and a resistor, 2nd one uses some reistors and a diode, third uses some resistors and a transistor.

The next 2 diagrams are to shut it all off when the car is not running. This is only needed is the fuse has power when the car is off, if it doesnt have power when the car is off this is not needed. First one uses a transistor, second uses a good old automotive relay.

Also the circuits all derive power from the unfused side of the fuse, i only did this to make the diagrams much easier to read, but would recommend, that the lead that is attached to the unfused side actuallt be connected to a fused power source of its own.

The reason i drew 3 different diagrams is just to allow you to choose the one you want, I would reccoment the first one if you are only going to hook this up to one or two fuses and want the ability to use a dual color common cathode LED.

The second one i would recommend if you are using it for 1 or more, but do not plan on using a dual color LED.

The third i would recommend for 2 or more, a dual color LED can be used with this set up. I only say 2 or more because it uses a transistor, most people dont have transistors laying around (just about any PNP transistor will do). This setup uses much less current than the relay diagram and slightly less than the 2nd diagram.

The second last circuit (the relay used to shut this off), I would recommend this for any number of fuses because of the current this wll aloow.

The last circuit (same purpose as previous) i would use only for less than 10 fuses. although the resistor value can be changed to allow about 20 to be used.

Let me know if you guys use these or want more info.





Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 7:33 AM

ohh if you want to use a switch just use it to apply ground to any of the first 3 circuits.

Dont be afraid of the circuits, to some they may look complicated but they are really not, if you have any questions just let me know.





Posted By: wvsquirrel
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 8:59 AM
Damn dude! Nice work posted_image

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Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 1:37 PM
Ok so let me get this straight. I am going to have 10 fuses so I would want to use the 3rd option. Do I have to repeat the entire circuit for all 10 fuses? Since I want the LED to change to red when the fuse is blown, wouldn't I want this connected to the non distributed side of the fuse block. If I do it to the other side, it wouldn't be per fuse but for the whole block. thanks though for the help and I can't wait to get it hooked up. Would this be easiest to do on a circuit board also?




Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 3:39 PM

hah thanks wvsquirrel,

For 10 fuses i would definitly go with the third one, you want to hook it up so that the fuse in the diagram(looks like a sine wave labeled F1 or F2) is wired so that the right side is the ouput of the fuse, the side that has no power when the fuse is removed. The reason it has power from the other side also is so that the red can illuminate when the fuse is actually blown.

Yes you would have to use the circuit for each fuse, its really not as difficult as it looks, i could probably make the circuit for all 10 on a 2" x 2" board, you defintly want to use some perf-board or a circuit board or it will become a big mess, lol





Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 4:18 PM
So I can do this pretty easy, let me ask how would you say to attach the wire to the fuse block and what size of wire would you use? I have a lot of cat-5 wire and thought this would be a good use for it since I am going to be doing this in my suburban. I figured that since each fuse has it's own screw and I am making a seperate plate for all to mount to I could attach it to that screw on the back of my plexiglas?   Would that be ok? and then I could have just one wire for power to the whole set up if I am not mistaken.




Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 4:39 PM
And by the way thanks for the help. How in the world did you know how to do this? Have you used it before? Can you also tell me what the values are on the resisters and the transistor. These are all things I could just get from radio shack right?




Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 6:07 PM

haha cat-5, i use that stuff all the time for things, cat-5 would work just fine, although you only get 8 wires, but that no big deal.

Parts for fig. 3 diagram:

Q1 - 2N3906, PNP general purpose transistor (last time i saw these at radio shack they were in a package of 15 i think for like $2) very common transistor.

R3, R4 - 4.7 K Ohm resistor, Just get 1/4 watt, 5% or 10% tolerance, doent really matter that much, i think radio shack sells these in packages of 5 for like $0.50

R5 - 560 Ohm, same 1/4 W...

LED - well the circuit is designed for a 2V drop 20 mA LED, i would reccomend a dual color common cathode RED / green LED, just because it will look cooler. I have no idea if radio shack would sell these...?

I would also get a piece of perfboard, with the copper doughnuts, if you can solder.

Oh i thought of the second diagram, then as i was drawing it thought of the 3rd, then the first, then the last 2 haha, i actually had another too, but it ended up being too many parts to make it useful.

Let me know how it goes.





Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 21, 2003 at 12:53 PM
xetmes - thank you so much for you help with this. I have a few questions. Just got back from Radio Shack and want to know you opinion on a few things. As far as the perf board goes do I want one that just has all the holes with just the copper donuts, or they also have one that has traces between certain holes. The one that has some traces has like 3 holes attached together. I think this one would work better but not sure. As far as the resistors they didn't have 560 Ohm but they did have 470 Ohm. Would that make that big of a difference? As far as the transistor is concerned, does it matter which posts go to which portion of the diagram? They don't have the dual color LED's but I have a company I can get those from. With the resistors is there a certain way they need to go(like a diode) or can I put them in either way and they do the same? Thanks again for all your assistance.




Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: August 21, 2003 at 4:09 PM

for the perf-board, if you think a different kind will make it easier go for it, im used to the stuff wit just the donuts.

If they dont have 560 i would go for 620 or 680 first, if they dont have that then go for 470, or you could get twice as many of 300 Ohms and put 2 in series for 600 ohms...

Dual color LEDs (RED / green) are very common you shouldnt have much trouble getting some.

resistors dont have polarity so just put then in anyway you want. posted_image

No thank you, nobody ever builds these circuits I draw up, im just glad someone is, maybe ill jam the parts in some perfboard and take a picture for you if you want, the way i think it would be easiest to do, it doesnt really matter though.

I assume you will but i would build just one and try it out to make sure it all works correctly before making them all, you can just touch the fuse wire to 12V to see if the LED changes...

Good Luck, ohh do they still sell the 2N3906 transistor in like packs of 15?





Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 21, 2003 at 4:43 PM
They do still come in packs of 15. Do they have a certain way they should be installed? As for the resistors they don't have anything higher than 470 until 1K. Would that be better than the 470? If you could make one and take a pic of the way it should look I would love it. You can email me at mj239air@yahoo.com . I have a pretty good idea of how to do it, but wouldn't hurt to make sure I am going to do it right. Of course I would try it first before making all the ones I need. I think it is great that you knew how to figure out how to do this and if I think up any other unique circuits I will definitely send you a message. Thanks so much for helping a rookie build some interesting circuits.




Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: August 22, 2003 at 9:37 AM

wel if thats all they have go with the 470. the transistor has to go in a special way,like so:

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if you look at the transistor notice the one side is flat and the other is rounded, the view above would be looking directly down on the circuit from above, I also labeled the emitter, base, and collector (the three terminals of the transistor).

If you want the pin layout in a 3-D view check out the datasheet for the transistor: https://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/2N/2N3906.pdf

here is the layout i did, its less helpful thta i thought it would be, i didnt solder anything.

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Although if its the first time you build something on a board i would recommend not trying to jam everything in a small area, space it out a little and color code wires, i used blue for ground, red for constant power, and green for the fuse terminal.

Let me know how it goes, good luck. posted_image





Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 22, 2003 at 9:55 AM
Gonna do it this weekend! Thanks so much for the help!!!




Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 24, 2003 at 7:05 PM
xetmes - YOU ARE THE BOMB!!! I made the circuit and it works perfectly. I didn't realize that I already had a bag of dual color LED's but I did and it worked just like you said it would. I just rigged it up real quick to try it, but once I get done with my complete board I will take a pic and let you see what I did. I counted up and will probably be using 15 - 20 of these circuits so I hope I get good at it by the end. If you have any cool ideas of other things I could make please let me know. Like I said before I will be asking if I think up anything. Thanks again for you assistance!!!!!!




Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: August 24, 2003 at 7:50 PM

Wow, first person to build a circuit i drew up hah.Yea take a picture when you are done i would love to see it. Other ideas, i have plenty what else do you have in mind? I have a small circuit here that will use a momentary switch to toggle a relay on and off and change LED from red to green and back and such, nice for fog lights and other things that usually require a toggle switch, thats one i remember because i just built it, a little more complicated than this but nothing you can't handle posted_image

I think most people are turned off when they see the diagrams, it wasn't that hard was it?





Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 24, 2003 at 8:15 PM
It was simple, I am not completely finished because I have to order 1 part for it, then I will be. Not sure of what other ideas yet.




Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: August 24, 2003 at 9:36 PM
I have the board completed now, just have to get a 15-pin connector so that I can easily unconnect it. I am not able to upload the pic but if you want me to, I can email it to you. I haven't added all the LED's to the board since I didn't have any shrink wrap that was small enough. I am pretty pleased though. Will try to think up something else for you to design.





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