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Are 8 Inch Subs Any Good?

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Topic: Are 8 Inch Subs Any Good?

Posted By: gr02xlt
Subject: Are 8 Inch Subs Any Good?
Date Posted: August 29, 2003 at 1:54 PM

I just bought a new vehicle and am trying to plan out a system. Its a 4-door 02 Explorer, and I know large cabins generally require larger subs, but would 8" sub's still sound okay? I want to make the system completely hidden, so I plan to make a fiberglass enclosure that fits in the floor where my jack and stuff normally go. The problem is that I can't fit anything bigger than 8's unless I raise the box out of the floor, and I'd really like to keep it flush. I'll make 10's fit if I have to, but would 8's give some decent bass? I haven't picked the subs yet, so suggestions there are welcome. I already have a Soundstream Rubicon II 302 that I would like to use. I am considering getting a pair of Kicker Comp VR 8" subs. Any pros/cons for these? I'm not looking ro wake up the neighborhood, just good clean bass. Would 8" subs be a waste in an SUV?



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Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: August 29, 2003 at 2:12 PM

8" subs in a suv will be a waste.

maybe for mid bass...not for low tones.

i have two 8's in a 00 sentra- ma's car..just to fill in the audio gap. makes a difference...but i dont think you'll hear them too good.



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Posted By: gr02xlt
Date Posted: August 29, 2003 at 2:21 PM
Thats what I was thinking, but wanted to get some other opinions. Do you think a pair of 10's will be adequate? My brother has a single 12 (Image Dynamic with a Kenwood amp) in his Explorer and its pretty loud. I have an Infinity Kappa Perfect 10 that I had in my mustang with the Soundstream amp and it sounded really good, but I'm sure it will be lacking in the much larger SUV. I guess I need to either squeeze in a 12 or get another Kappa 10 and a bigger amp.




Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: August 29, 2003 at 3:25 PM

well i would get a 12..if your goinf for SQ, MB Quart subs are really good. also the sealed box for them isnt that big.

https://www.mbquart.com/2003/en_US/products/prod_detail.asp?isArchive=&cat=auto&series=reference%20series&strt=1&model=RWE+302%2F304

https://thezeb.com/caraudio/mb_quart.html

go to more mb quart speakers. then the number is RWC304...not bad for $99

its 160rms. they sound grand.



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Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: August 29, 2003 at 6:21 PM

Ok since I'm an Explorer owner i have to get in on this topic...lol...Your thinking on this is all wrong. You are used to subs being in a enclosed trunk, imagine what it would be like being in that trunk with those subs pounding, be alot louder wouldn't it?!? Now in the suv, the cabin is the trunk on a larger scale. There is no seat to absorb any of the sound coming off the subs, just a nice wide open space. I run two 10's in mine with 600 rms on them and its stupid loud and intense in it for just two 10's. Personally i think some good 8's with good clean power on them will sastify what you are wanting. I run Diamond Audio CM3 series, entry level subs but are very impressive. https://www.diamondaudio.com/MobileAudio/index.cfm?page=Subwoofers

In about 2-3 weeks i plan on putting a single Diamond 8" in my wifes F-150 supercab  to give it a little bump.





Posted By: AudioAdrenaline
Date Posted: August 29, 2003 at 7:45 PM
I've never used 8's in any installs myself, but I just recently was shopping around for subs for an install I'm doing for a friend, and demo'd an 8" Alpine Type R in a bandpass box.  It kinda scared me how loud that thing got!  I'm not sure if you would have enough room, or would want to attempt building a bandpass box, but I know that that sub in an open cabin would definetly sound good.




Posted By: Blazermedic
Date Posted: August 30, 2003 at 10:29 AM
I've tried on a few 8's. They work pretty well in enclosed spaces like standard cab trucks. Having owned a Blazer, I also feel obligated to get in on this one too. I had two JL 10's in my Blazer and they sounded much better than I thought they would. (After copious amounts of Dynamat) A single MB Quart, Diamond, or Infinity 10 or 12 would sound pretty sweet assuming it's powered correctly and in an appropiate box.

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Posted By: gr02xlt
Date Posted: August 30, 2003 at 10:54 AM

I'm glad to hear from the SUV owners here.  I appreciate the help.

When I had the single 10" Kappa Perfect with the Soundstream amp in my Stang it sounded good.  Not all that loud, but it was deep and clean, and obvious that I had a sub.  Basically what I', looking for in the Explorer.  Would the exact same setup (same amp, sub, box, etc...) be louder in the open cabin of the Explorer than it was in the trunk of my Stang?

Thanks

Greg





Posted By: c.c.
Date Posted: August 30, 2003 at 12:35 PM
in my opinion, the exact same setup in a suv will be louder than in the trunk of a car.  there is not much blocking the sound from reaching your ears in an suv, but in a trunk of a car, its has to pass through the rear seats.

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Posted By: Pharaoh
Date Posted: August 30, 2003 at 5:25 PM
If you use enough of them they can be suitably loud.

I was at a show and a guy had 8 8s custom installed, and they pounded.

In an SUV I'd go with no less than 4.




Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: August 30, 2003 at 7:01 PM

Ok i have a question on your Explorer. I've never seen the inside of the newer models like you have. Do they not have the pocket in the side panel by the back door?? Up til the 01 models, crutchfield offers enclosures that fit that pocket, was just wondering what had changed. Any idea on how much space is in the spot you are talking about in the floor??

Either way, i think one good 8" will give you the low end that you are looking for, won't be anything spectacular but you will know it is there and probably still rattle your mirrors. But always the possibility to get one 10" in there if space allows. If wanting to put some money into this project, could always cut out part of the floor and have part of the enclosure on the underside of the vehicle. Have heard of that being done before, just a thought. Have also seen where they removed one side panel in the back and made a complete fiberglass enclosure to replace it with and had 3 10's in it. Was costly though to have done.





Posted By: busy_pizzaman
Date Posted: August 30, 2003 at 9:54 PM
I drive a blazer on a daily basis and think that as long as your other speakers don't suck, ie: 6x9's, a couple 8's will deliver what you want, I have one 10" in a fiberglass enclosure and it gets with it. I wanted the same thing as you did and I got it, go with the 8's or a single 10 or 12. Either way you won't be disappointed, provided you get the watts to 'em.

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Posted By: drvnbysound
Date Posted: August 30, 2003 at 11:51 PM
Another SUV (Explorer owner). I have previously had 2 8" Focal Polyflex subs in the back of mine for a temporary setup. When I origionally got them, I was planning to fiberglass them into my doors. However upon actually getting them, I saw that they were going to be too big for the look that I was going for. At the time I didnt have any subs, so figured I would make a box for them and throw them in the back, etc. The 2 8's, with just 150W RMS going to them sounded awesome. Just so long as you arent looking for a high SPL output, which usually anyone looking to get 8's, is just looking for a clean sounding setup.

I dont know if I would suggest a single 8", but I feel that if you go with 2 - 3, you will undoubtedly be satisfied. Good luck with your decision and setup.



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Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: August 31, 2003 at 12:15 AM
be sweet lookinf if ya had a arc of 4 8's

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Posted By: gr02xlt
Date Posted: August 31, 2003 at 8:34 AM

There isn't an MTX Thunderfrom or any other pre-fab box available for 02+ Explorers yet as there is for the -01's.  There is a little storage pocket on one side that I am thinking of making my own fiberglass enclosure for, so basically custom make my own thunderform.  I think at most it would fit two 8's.

Ideally I would like to put four 8's across the floor, but I don't think I'll have enough volume.  I'm still exploring this new vehicle.

What are some good 8 inch subs that can play deep?  I'm sure if I go with 3-4 it will be plenty loud for me, but since they will only be 8's, it probaby won't be super deep.  Are there any 8's that can accurately get down into the 20hz range?  How about the Kicker Comp VR's?

Thanks for all the info!!





Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: August 31, 2003 at 10:06 AM

Are 8" subs any good?  Yes.  They can be the most musical and most accurate of any woofer.  8" subs are faster than 10's or 12's and can respond to musical demands better.  But, because of the lower cone area, they cannot produce as low a frequency as a 10 or a 12 with the same SPL.  I have used 8" and even 6.5" subs with great effect, but usually in small cars.

Can 8" subs play at 20Hz?  Depending on the enclosure, maybe yes some can, but probably not at a volume level you would appreciate.  Realize that many 12's actually have a hard time getting much below 25Hz with any kind of SPL behind it..

An 8" sub is best suited for a vehicle with a small cabin, as the coupling to the cabin air space will enable higher SPL at lower frequencies.  For a 4-door Explorer, I would suggest you may need a sub with a larger cone area, such as a 12", to hear lower than 30Hz with appreciable volume.  A pair of 10's might work well, too, depending on the enclosure and how they are positioned in the vehicle.





Posted By: wmosher
Date Posted: August 31, 2003 at 1:12 PM
my friend had one 10" jl w6, with an autotek amp. and it was louder than my 3 12's at the time

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Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: August 31, 2003 at 1:23 PM

you could do 4 solo baric 8's get the dual 4ohm and wire it up to be 2ohm

or the dual 2 ohm and drop it to 1 ohm.



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Posted By: gr02xlt
Date Posted: September 01, 2003 at 12:33 PM

This is a tough decision.  It seems like 8's can be good subs, but may not be the best choice for a large cabin.  I'm sure with enough of them they could produce the sound I'm looking for, but if I try to squeeze in four 8's then I might as well just install some 10's or 12's.  A pair of 8's looked good to me because I could make a fiberglass box and they would be flush with the floor, hence losing zero cargo capacity.  Anything more, be it more 8's or larger subs, would mean I would lose cargo space.  I think I need to do some more exploring of the interior before I buy anything.  I've only had the truck for about a week so I'm sure I can figure something out.





Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: September 01, 2003 at 1:15 PM

well...if you had the pockets in the sides...two there...then two on the floor.

that i think would looks pretty kool.



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