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Small simple system for 97 F-150 Supercab

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Topic: Small simple system for 97 F-150 Supercab

Posted By: tdsteele
Subject: Small simple system for 97 F-150 Supercab
Date Posted: October 12, 2003 at 7:55 AM

Ok heres what i got and what im thinking to do. HU is a Panasonic DFX403U, Amp is a 4 channel Eclipse 36401 (50X4). This is for the wife and she doesnt want very much so I am planning on putting a single 8" sub in there and leaving the factory doors and rear speakers in it. HU is 50X4 max. So my first thought is to run the doors and rears off the front 2 channels of the amp and bridging the rear 2 for the sub, which by the way will probably be a dvc sub. Second thought is would the deck put out enough to run the 4 factory speakers and then bridge both sides of the amp to run the sub. I am aiming for this to be very equal in sound, meaning i dont want the highs to drown out the sub or vice versa. She just wants to know the bass is there which now we know its definetaly not.  So some specs on the amp, 50X4 @4ohms, 70X4 @2ohms, 140X2 @4ohms. Had originaly planned on using a Diamond CM3 8" , it is 400 watt rms though. If bridging both sides of the amp then i will go with that sub. If bridging just one side then thinking about trying an Image Dynamic ID8 V.2, it is 175 rms. Have never seen or heard them before so open to suggestions if i go that route.

The box is pretty much already built. It is .45 cubic ft and pretty skinny so mounting depth could be an issue but shouldn't be.

One other thing on the sub no matter which route i go. Knowing it will be a dvc, if i bridge both sides of the amp to a single sub then wire each side of the amp to its own voice coil right? Or if i use just one side of the amp then get a 2 ohm dvc??? Think i have that part right just checking. Thanks in advance for any replies on this one.:)




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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: October 12, 2003 at 9:20 AM

First of all, having worked on a lot of Fords, I highly recomend that the first best thing you can do is get rid of the factory speakers and replace them.   Your F-150 uses 5X7 speakers and probably has the Philco "whizzer cone" full ranges, which are rated at 20 watts.  Get any good quality 5X7 (Infinity, Boston, JL Audio, Alpine, MB Quart - all  have 5X7 coaxials that sound pretty good) that you like the sound of and get rid of the factory crap.

Second, IMO an 8" sub will sound great inside the cab of the pickup if what you are seeking is good overall sound quality and not "thump the block" overkill.  The Eclipse amp is a great amp, and I agree with your choice to run the front/rear speakers off the HU and bridge the amp into 2 channels, feeding a 4 ohm DVC woofer (one bridged set to each VC.)  Just make sure your amp is fed a mono signal and the gains are equalized and you should be fine.  Either of the subs you've listed will sound good.





Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: October 12, 2003 at 9:51 AM

The factory speakers will be replaced, just not at the present time. Will probably wait til after the Christmas season is over with before i change them out. Plus like i said, this is for the wife and she doesnt want to deafen herself, she just wants something good to listen to. Also that HU has the non-fading preout with subwoofer volume control so that works out pretty good.





Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: October 12, 2003 at 11:05 AM

I'd still recomend that the factory speakers be changed.  In fact, that will do more to make it sound better than anything else you can do, IMO, and it's not about being "loud," it's about being clear!  posted_image

 You should look into at least getting a nice set of, say, Infinity Kappa 573.5's for the front door.  They are about $80 on the Internet... any Ford system sounds MUCH better with new mains.

Have fun and good luck.





Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 6:19 PM
Ok im back with more questions on this system. So to get up to date. Had the Eclipse amp and the Diamond CM3 8"dvc installed today. Very disappointed with the way it turned out so now im looking for solutions. The sub is in a sealed box(first time i have ever used a sealed box), roughly .45 cubic foot which meets Diamonds specs. It is underpowered though. Rms of the sub is 400, im only feeding it 280. So the problem is can barely tell the sub is there. By cranking up the gains and the sub out on the radio i can make this thing move but then it sounds like ass....lots of distortion. So, what do you guys think?? Maybe need a bigger amp or maybe port this enclosure. Would really appreciate some feedback on this one so thanks in advance.




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 7:43 PM
What exactly are you dissappointed with, the output of the sub, the sq of the sub and or the output and sq of the system? Personally I would have gone a little different route, knowing full well that you were going to expand the system later. Interested, I'll give you my 2 cents, not, then let's help with the problem at hand. Did you build your box to the recommended size and choose the sub for it because of a space limitation presented by the F150 or did the other half tell you that you can have this much space only or sleep on the couch. With the dvc sub that you have, I probably would have looked for a different amp to drive it, but like you said earlier you were going to add new speakers later. I think that you made the correct choice on the amp for use now and down the road, but a little more effort on the choice of a sub or convincing the other half (if that is where the problem lies) that taking up a little more space is a good thing. Let's hear your thoughts on what you were expecting the system to do for u.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 8:10 PM
Ok, to start off with, there is basically no room to work with in the back of this truck. Removing back seat is not an option since we have 2 kids to haul around in it every now and then. I raised the bottom of the seat up a little over an inch to make room for the small box that i made to fit. So, the box takes up 2/3 of the space under the rear seat, the amp takes up whats left over. I had considered other subs but since i run the same model Diamonds in my explorer and love them i decided to stick with the same, just smaller due to space limitations. I put that amp in because i had it and figured 280rms  on a 8" sub would be suffice to fill in the lower end gap to compliment the mids and highs. This is the wifes truck but she just wants something that sounds good and she can jam to at HER levels of enjoyment, not mine. I have my explorer to rattle my head at my enjoyment..lol....So anyways, i have already ordered some Infinity Reference 5X7's to replace the factory speakers with and they will be powered by the deck only. The main disappointment is the low output of the sub. I know its only an 8 but i would expect more than what i am getting out of it. So, any thoughts??




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 8:32 PM

I used to have the same truck, I used 3 Eclipse 8" 4ohm subs on a Rockford power 200.1. Q-Logic makes sub boxes for your truck that just happen to fit right in (sales plug - I now have 2 used boxes for sale) check them out on their website. Your exploder is much more condusive to sound as compared to the f-150, how does it sound to the other half, is she happy with it?



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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 8:54 PM
She says she cant really tell the sub is there so that should tell you how bad it is. I dunno what to do. Dont really want to spend no more than i have to to remedy what i have. I almost think it would have to be the enclosure cause the output of sound is just so damn low, but if thats the case then what would be a good fix for it??




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 21, 2003 at 8:28 PM
What side of the truck is the enclosure on? The passenger side has a larger area available for a sub enclosure. If you have moved the seats up (think I read you did), this gives you even more airspace available, what direction is the sub firing? Make sure the dvc sub is in phase. Try using a dedicated 2ohm mono sub amplifier like a Concept CC500m, Lightning Audio B2.350.1 or whatever else you have available to you. Get some output into that sub first off, the Eclipse is a great amplifier for your front and rear speakers and this is what it was designed for.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: November 21, 2003 at 9:02 PM
Ok, yes the sub is on the passenger side. I made a thin rectangular shaped box that extends from the passenger support bracket over to the one close to the drivers side. I remeasured and figured up the internal box volume tonight and came up with .64 cubic feet, which is more than i had figured before, not sure where i messed that one up at but anyways, that puts this box on Diamonds high side for recommended space. So, with the box towards the big side and underpowered be the reason it doesnt produce alot of sound?? Ive never dealt with a sealed box before so i dont know what the results of a box being to big or small would sound like, any advice on that one?? As to your firing question, i have it firing up. The shop i got it from says they always have them firing down when doing a setup like mine in a truck. So, i'll kick back and see what your next thoughts are and believe, all info is very much appreciated!!




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 21, 2003 at 9:16 PM
Put your hand an inch away from your mouth and talk to someone, get the picture. The sub is having trouble "breathing" if it is firing into the seat. Take the box out from under the seat and put it on top of the seat and see how it sounds. A box a little too big has never hurt anyone, it may give you a little deeper bass response in trade off of losing control of the motion of the driver. Try stuffing the box loosly with fibrefill after you listen to the box again, and make sure the sub is in phase.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: November 21, 2003 at 9:36 PM
Well, im not going to be off work again until monday so wont be able to mess with it before then. But hopefully i can play with it monday. Will check the wiring on it. Next thing i thought about was hooking it up in my truck to compare using a bigger amp on it, and if all else fails will throw together a smaller box with some angle on it so the sub doesnt fire straight into anything and see what happens. I did find some prices on that LA amp you mentioned but couldnt find any on the Concept, how much do they usually run??? Thanks a bunch guy.




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 21, 2003 at 10:26 PM
A Concept CC500M runs about $500.00 cdn so it will definitely be cheaper for you. It has a mono output at 2ohm of 400w rms minimum, they sound Ok, have a great warranty for us in Canada (3 year) and provide some good clean power. Have a good weekend dude.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.





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