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Justifying The Cost Of An Install

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Forum Name: Car Audio
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Topic: Justifying The Cost Of An Install

Posted By: vman
Subject: Justifying The Cost Of An Install
Date Posted: November 16, 2003 at 9:17 AM

I'm sure I'm not alone in this: My girlfriend thinks I have lost my mind and that the money I'm spending on my install would be much better spent on jewelry.  You guys do this for a living, and I need some ammo. What could I expect to pay to have a 4 guage, three amp install to three pair of speakers and a sub. The car is a '91 Volvo 740 Wagon. I'm doing it right, with a cap and fuse/ground blocks and good quality wire. I need the cost of installation only. I'm thinking that if I can show her how much I'm saving by doing the job myself, I may get off the couch by years end....................




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Posted By: noob
Date Posted: November 16, 2003 at 2:49 PM

are the speakers already installed????

where are the amps going??

any custom enclosures needed??? (amps, sub, cap???)

do they need to install the wire themselves or is there some in the car already?

We need all that info to give a ballpark price, any labor involved in tearing apart a dash, or rear deck will cost extra.....wiring under the carpet will cost extra depending on labor involved by lifting up the carpet......and custom enclosures will cost you up the ass if you dont do them yourself.....

and tell her that jewelry isnt a better spend, because you only get to look at jewelry.......with car audio, not only can you pop your trunk and get all your friends to drool, you can actually turn on the stereo and "wow" them twice as much......you win by the rule of senses (sight and sound...and touch i guess too)





Posted By: vman
Date Posted: November 16, 2003 at 5:42 PM
Maybe a little less in the touch department....... Amps are going under the rear seat and all wiring needs to be installed. I am replacing all the speakers, but the holes are already in place, so no cutting involved. I plan on a straight forward mount to plywood situation for all the bolted down components (amps, cap and distribution blocks). The dash intrusion will  be minimal. I hope that clears some of the fog????




Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: November 16, 2003 at 7:32 PM

at my shop, (canada) we charge $59.95 per pair of speakers so theres $180.00.

Plus the amps would be $69,95 first amp, 29.95 2nd and 3rd..$130.00

sub is included with amp install.

and for all the extra accessories, prolly about another 59.95

total cost around $400.  then you will need to add the wire costs and such.





Posted By: italnpimp59
Date Posted: November 16, 2003 at 8:04 PM

59.95 for a pair of door speakers...damn thats ridiculous!!! no offense to your shop, but thats high price for a set of door speakers.   we charge 20 per set, 35 for the head unit, 25 for the cap, 50 for each amp.  any miscellanious cutting and stuff like difficulty to pick up carpet, removing seats and stuff...maybe an extra 30-40

so far your lookin at  about 300 for the labor 

now this does not include what we would charge for the box.  if you want a custom box.....it really depends on HOW custom you want it.  custom work is not easy, so it is very high price



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 17, 2003 at 7:22 AM

$400 Canadian - $306 US, so you are both about the same cost.

FYI, I don't charge per the job, but a shop rate charge of $75 (US) per hour.





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 17, 2003 at 12:37 PM
Here is another one, this guy named Rob bought whatever the salerperson told him was top of the line or was top of the line in the catalogs. He was the most gullible customer ever. He would buy something avery week just because, and like you he didn't always want to pay for the install. After a while of buying all the wrong equipment and paying to have it all installed (instead of breaking it), he began to educate himself on his purchases and ultimately knew more than the salesperson. He ended up training himself to install equipment properly and his friends began to ask him for his help. Now 16 years later he owns 2 stores, sells the customer what he needs to do things right, explains to the customer what happens if shortcuts or compromises are taken and proves to the customer why it should and must be installed by a dealer. If I had someone like this when I was the gullible customer, I would have saved $15000.00 cdn in a two year period and that my friend would have bought a whole pile of jewellery to keep her happy.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: vman
Date Posted: November 17, 2003 at 1:32 PM
Sage advice Rob. However, you now have knowlege and that is more valuable than anything. Thank you all for your help, and count on me leaning on you as more of my newbie questions evolve.  VM 




Posted By: l7sdime
Date Posted: November 17, 2003 at 1:53 PM

Alright here is a very extreme install i plan on getting it in about 6 months and i need to know how much this install might cost. im talking everything to the last detail. ex: caps wires battery's box building everything. oh and plus alternator too. Ok i plan on buying two solox's off of ebay and installing them in my s-10 x cab. Only one problem there isnt enough room in the cab so i want to make the box about 22 cu ft and put it in the bed and port the box into the truck. The box will be 1.5 inch mdf with fiberglass resin on the inside walls. Then a hole will be cut into the truck from the bed to the inside of the cab. i am going to tune it to about 35hz. I have one 5000 watt amp and i am probably gonna need about 3 yellow tops a 200 amp alternator a 5 farad capacitor. There is nothin really special about the box it will be square and just covered in luis vuitton fabric. but here is where to cool part comes in. I want to take 1.5 inch plexiglass and screw it into the bed so it is flush witht the top of the bed. and im gonna put a strobe light in there with maybe 2 neons.there is already a good head unit and all the wires need to be run. Any help is good.

              Thanks Wes





Posted By: pureRF
Date Posted: November 17, 2003 at 2:01 PM
Vman- I have installed all my stereo stuff,Amp,sub,head unit, and all 4 speakers, including a full fiberglass box in my trunk. It is not to bad i would suggest atleast trying it. Go to crutchfield.com and order an install booklet for your car, it helps A ALOT
hope that helps

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dream it, build it, fiberglass it




Posted By: defective
Date Posted: November 17, 2003 at 2:32 PM
i think we all used to be the stupid cutomer at one time....grin

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Posted By: vman
Date Posted: November 17, 2003 at 2:35 PM
pureRF: Thanks for the encouraging words. I didn't have much trouble with the head unit (it's currently wired in to the very sucky factory speakers). To top it all off, I had to (gasp) hack into the wiring harness. So far no explosions/fires. I'll keep you posted as the work progresses. Thanks again to everyone. 17sdime kinda scares me...............




Posted By: l7sdime
Date Posted: November 17, 2003 at 3:10 PM
LOL thats funny why do i scare u?? just tryin to ask a simple question in a forum nothin really scary about that




Posted By: vman
Date Posted: November 17, 2003 at 5:21 PM
17sdime: Nothing personal, It's just that I'm obsessing over the thought of drilling a gromet hole, and your porting God knows what from a strobe equiped back massager into your truck. Maybe I'll be where you are someday....................




Posted By: noob
Date Posted: November 18, 2003 at 10:43 AM
yea vman car audio isnt as hard as it seems......sometimes we like to make it sound more difficult than it really is (shhhh dont tell anyone, this'll be our secret).......all the wires may seem overwhelming at first but just dive in and start figuring things out.....i think a head unit would be the most difficult thing to install when you have to hack in a new wiring harness like i did......and like defective said....we all used to be the stupid consumer at one time........luckily i did my research b4 i bought anything and i have never paid for a single install......i now build fiberglass enclosures wire amps, HU's, subs, speakers everything....and ive only been at it for 5 months or so....so keep it up....and just start with what you know, and what you dont, ASK




Posted By: vman
Date Posted: November 19, 2003 at 1:49 PM
Thanks again, guys, for all the encouragement.  I'm the measure twice cut once type, so It will take a while, but so far the results are great. I'm stringing the speaker wire through the doors this weekend (Armed with coathanger and nerves of steel) Wish me luck...........




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 19, 2003 at 2:08 PM
Hope it doesn't snow on you! We got nailed with it last night.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: vman
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 5:31 PM
Thats why they call it the great white North! Im basking in Southern California's perfect weather.......




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 6:20 PM
Oh yeah, all us nucks have better beer, a lower drinking age, way better ski and snowboard areas, chaper prices, Shania and other hotties, a better hockey team (go Vancouver - we would own the NHL if we recalled all the Canadian players), touques, semi legal pot laws, clean air, power and water that you haven't paid us for yet($15,000,000,000.00 count the zeroes - no exaggeration) and a leader that doesn't go around blowing everyone and everything up (although we do agree with some of it) So all in all let it snow, $85.00 hr to plow snow in a nice warm F350 (friends don't let frind's drive chevy's) with a good stereo, sign me up.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 8:20 PM
mmmm snow, I WANT SNOW!!!! I WANA SKI!!!!..................speaking of chevy's, lol  i got an starter install on a 96 chev pickup today, and the guy was such a moron, his hood cable was snapped, his ignition core was messed up so bad that we managed to get the key turned 3 times, ,once to get it in, once to test the first ignition, and last to get it the heck outa the garage....we tryed for 4 FREEKIN hours to get the key to turn in the ignition, i hit the dam thig with a hammer and it didn't work!!!   and another 30 min of jimmying the hoof with a coat hanger....the $149.99 starter install turned into $400 just because his chevy was a pile! he could have spent that money to fix the POS.........i hate chev's now.........and all north  american crap....whell not all....but most are just crap..........Nissan all the way baby!! haha......alright, back to the topic,,,,uhh i forgot what i was gona say




Posted By: pureRF
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 8:27 PM
Toyota

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dream it, build it, fiberglass it




Posted By: vman
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 8:31 PM
Blondes, semi-legal weed, the Ducks,AHHNOLD, air I can see, a President with Cahonees as well as the ability to surf in the morning AND ski in the afternoon, but to each their own (Enjoyed a great Molson while writing this...........)




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 20, 2003 at 8:40 PM
Blondes that we gave you (Pamela Anderson - actually came from where I am right this minute), soon to be legal weed (much more potent than your stuff)(I don't condone it - have to point it out), Canucks baby - no stepped on, beat to death shot up ducks, ahhnold (I'll give you that one) missed the president issue what was I saying oh yeah, our skihill is 20 minutes away, gets the most snow in Canada, stays for the longest time on the hill (May usually), we also have really totally awesome surfing on the other side of the island (suit up though) without fear of sharks, did I mention a real Molson....ahhhhh!

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: vman
Date Posted: November 21, 2003 at 10:50 AM
OK OK Didn't mean to spark an international incident! Before I start getting advice like "Dude, check your capacitor for voltage by licking it like a 9-volt", how about a truce? I'll return Pamela (since I'm the only guy in SOCAL she missed sleping with), I'll send you a case of Old Milwalkee for the water, you can surf 'till yer lips turn blue and write "Oh Canada" in the snow instead of Rob, hell, I'll even throw in Michael Jackson. Love to my Canadian brothers..........





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