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Topic: spl or quality?

Posted By: walty220
Subject: spl or quality?
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 6:07 PM

I've got a 12"HX2 Fosgate sub, and a 1500 watt fosgate Punch amp im looking at. These both deliever 500 watts rms. is this going to give me spl or quality? also, i need a general opinion about this set up, its going in an 83 cutlass. thanks



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Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 6:24 PM
thats going to be more on the spl line.

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Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 6:28 PM
You should look at a JL Audio 12" W7 or W6v2. They can play loud and still sound really good.

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Posted By: xTimx
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 6:40 PM
if you want SPL go with a ported box, but if you want sound quality then put it in a sealed box, and the Hx2, hmm it depends on which one you go with, either the punch or the powers. the powers will be definately SPL, but if your looking sound quality, then the punch will be yuor choice




Posted By: walty220
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 6:42 PM
well if its a punch in a ported box... will i get both? (sry im not well knowledged about spl and quality)




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 7:00 PM
I hope that your hx2 is a dual 2 ohm sub to match with your punch amp. Without model #'s it makes things pretty difficult to guess at. I would use your sub in a sealed encosure, around a maximum of 1.5 cu.ft.  It will have nice sq and depth extension and will play to a good spl. If you are not happy with the level of output, then we can recalibrate your box to ported or you can add a second sub.

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Posted By: xTimx
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 7:03 PM
well ya and no...but you would hear a sound diff if it was in a ported box, cause a sealed box is for sound purpose (less distortion). but still has the bass..ported box has more distortion and it would sound a lil worse than sealed box.




Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 7:11 PM
A sealded box has a punchier sound (better for rock ,pop ,country ,etc.). A ported box sounds boomier (good for rap) and usually makes a subs continuous power handling go down about 100 watts or so.

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Posted By: walty220
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 7:25 PM

so whats the advice?? im lookin for quality, spl and alot of power, i listen to rap. whats a box recommendation?? my cutlass has room for anything basically,trunks as big as interior lol

RFD2212  12" HX2 DVC 100watt sub

501s  2 chan 1500 watt Punch amp





Posted By: walty220
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 7:26 PM

so whats the advice?? im lookin for quality, spl and alot of power, i listen to rap. whats a box recommendation?? my cutlass has room for anything basically,trunks as big as interior lol

RFD2212  12" HX2 DVC 1000watt sub

501s  2 chan 1500 watt Punch amp





Posted By: walty220
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 7:26 PM

so whats the advice?? im lookin for quality, spl and alot of power, i listen to rap. whats a box recommendation?? my cutlass has room for anything basically,trunks as big as interior lol

RFD2212  12" HX2 DVC 1000watt sub

501s  2 chan 1500 watt Punch amp





Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 7:36 PM
If you like rap i would probly reccomend a ported box. Like this one from Q Logic. It even comes with a port plug if you get tired of it being ported.     https://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-YspuulPDodB/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=10&g=842&I=044H1712SE&o=m&a=0&cc=01&avf=N  You could also go the custom route and get one that has a design on it or have one built that you can mount your amp on also.

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Posted By: xTimx
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 8:01 PM
or if you have the specs for the sub itself you can just build one yourself and save the money, plus making boxes is really fun, just takes a lil time and effort though. if you can put the port hole in the front where the speakers are. and then fire the port and speakers towards the trunk lid!




Posted By: xTimx
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 8:04 PM
another thing to i forgot to mention. go to your walmart or some place and get some dakron (pillow stuffing) the really thick stuff too, and cut and paste it to the inside of the walls of the sub box. you'll trick the speaker into thinking its in a bigger enclosure!




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: January 19, 2004 at 8:34 PM

Ok dude, the ugly problems are about to start, this is your sub as taken from the Rockford site. RFD2212 - 12" Punch HX2 DVC (4 ohm x 2). Your amp is rated at 125w rms x2 @ 4 ohm / 250w rms x2 @ 2ohm / 500w rms x1 @ 4ohm. This is not a good match of sub to amplifier, no offense intended if you made this purchase on your own.

Now while these numbers are the worst possible scenario for Rockford amps, it is a far cry from the claim of 1500watts, which is peak power by the way, or what the amp can produce for a "snapshot" in time. This amp is 2 ohm stereo stable, not 2 ohm mono stable. While you can use the amp in 2 ohm mono fashion, it will result in amp failure (in time, not right away) thus is not recommended. If you want to use this amp on one sub, throw the box out the window first, we need to get this thing operational

(1) hook the sub up to the amp as if each voice coil were 1 sub - run the amp in 4 ohm stereo mode 125w x 2 rms minimum

(2) hook the sub up wired in a series circuit to make it one 8 ohm driver, hook up to the bridge terminals of the amp (recommended). The amp will produce only 250w rms x 1 in this method, thus it can be viewed as the same amount of power as option 1.

The best option for you is to either replace the amp with a amp that is 2 ohm mono stable or replace the sub with a similar model, just dial 2 ohm coils. Now either way you want to go you are drastically underpowering this sub, one of the worst things you can do to it, why? Because you want to listen to your tunes loud and clear and when this amp is doing all it can (safely) and you want more, that is when you will clip it's outputs, thus causing distortion that will destroy your sub. If you want louder, you need a bigger amp in this particular case (with said sub) or a better match of subs to your amp (preferred).

Now for the box, I have built numerous 3cu.ft sealed enclosures for these subs (2 subs in one box), they have good sq and great depth extension and in the case of output, over 145 db (in a mazda MX3 with a 800.2 amp).  Start simple with your box, it is the magic piece of the puzzle that will make or break the output of your subs. If you are only going to use 1 sub, build it to the spec that Rockford suggests, you cannot miss with their recommendations.



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Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 7:50 PM
You need something like the Alpine MRD-500. It is a mono sub amp thats 2 ohm stable. At 2 ohms it'll give you 500 watts continuous which is just what you need. heres a link. https://www.alpine-usa.com/html/D2_n_1_n_n.html





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