Help with kicker subs and ppi amp!
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Topic: Help with kicker subs and ppi amp!
Posted By: BaddestBanshee
Subject: Help with kicker subs and ppi amp!
Date Posted: January 31, 2004 at 12:28 AM
Channel: 4 ohm: 2 ohm: Bridged: Damping: S/N Ratio: Dimension: Length: THD: Power Input: Freq. Resp.: I/P Sens.: X/O Slope: X/O Freq.: X/O Type: Input Type: Cooling Fan: QBass: | 2 400 800 1600 >500 >115dB 2.375" x 10" 30.25" 02% 4 Guage 4.5-100k .15-12V 12dB 30Hz-4kHz 2 way 12 vDC Yes QBass™ Plus |
Vehicle is a 2002 duramax ext. cab 4 door. Eclipse cd8443 deck, power cap, PPI pcx-2400 for sub amp, 2 S10L7-4 ohm solobarics. Also some other crap that doesn't matter at this point. The amp is a PPI pcx-2400 , these are the specs for it. I am gonna build (2) 1.074cu ft sealed enclosures for (2) S10L7-4ohm kicker solobarics. This is compensating for basket displacement and braces. Is this right, I want to run one channel to each sub at 2ohms. So If I wire the DVC coils to 2 ohms according to kickers diagram, then that will automatically put a 2 ohm load on the amp on each channel. This will achieve 800watts max per channel, CORRECT? Are the 1.0 cu ft optimum enclosure sizes already calculating the basket or am I right by adding the .065 cu ft to the 1.0 cu ft to achieve the optimum enclosure size of 1.0 cu ft for the woofer to operate. I start sawing tomorrow morning, so let me know. Thanks guys! Let me know If I have this wrong, I talked to tech support at kicker, they said as long as the gain was set ok (8volt preout on eclipse cd8443, gain at roughly 1/3), I would have a rockin system in this dudes Duramax. Kicker is also saying in their tech guides to use a: 25Hz Subsonic Filter set at 24db/Octave. on their vented enclosures. What does this mean? I just saw on the website that the 1.0cu ft is calculated with the basket discplacement, so that is answered. Let me know! ------------- Want to know about Audi, I thought you did.
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Posted By: BaddestBanshee
Date Posted: January 31, 2004 at 12:54 AM
GUYS?
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Posted By: audiokid1
Date Posted: January 31, 2004 at 1:02 AM
About the subsonic filter. If you are doing the vented enclosure design and you know what your tuning frequency is (lets use 43Hz as an example). This is where the sub will be the most efficient, very little cone movement with lots of output. Since the volume of air displaced by the port is equal to the amount of air displaced by the driver. Anyways, the only set back of the design is that below the tuning frequency the damping of the set up starts to drop at a reasonably decent pace. I am not sure what the tuning frequency they are telling you to use but I am guessing the low 30's since they want you to set the subsonic at 25. That and the fact that they are a 10 inch driver, I wouldn't expect and enormous amount of low end extension so why push the drivers that low when they probably won't be able to reproduce the frequencies all that well.
Posted By: BaddestBanshee
Date Posted: January 31, 2004 at 1:07 AM
ok, I am doing a sealed box, I was wondering if I had to worry about that. Sounds like I dont though.
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Posted By: audiokid1
Date Posted: January 31, 2004 at 1:11 AM
I would still set the subsonic though
Posted By: BaddestBanshee
Date Posted: January 31, 2004 at 2:00 AM
so, that is on the amp? or deck? or both?
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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: January 31, 2004 at 9:01 PM
A subsonic filter is used to make an amps power supply more efficient and to help protect speakers. It does not matter what kind of box you are using. What it is basically is a high pass filter, in a lot of cases it is adjustable. Below the tuning frequency or last usable octave of response, the amp does not magically stop amplifying the signal, it in fact wastes a whole pile of power amplifying a signal that we either cannot use or hear. The lower a frequency goes, the more power is gobbled up by an amp trying to amplify it, if you can eliminate this wasted power from unusable frequencies, your amp and subs will thank you for it. Another wiring method on your subs, that will result in a true mono signal being split over all 4 coild evenly is a series / parallel circuit. This will present a 4 ohm bridged mono load to the amp, it is the same amount of power and current draw as the previous method. If you are making a common chamber box (no divider between subs), this is the method that must be used. I prefer to operate my customers subs as a mono load on the amp split evenly among the voice coils in separate chamber boxes, this way if there is a sub failure, I can still listen to my system. ------------- Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.
Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: January 31, 2004 at 9:02 PM
A subsonic filter is usually found on an amplifier, if you do not have one, look into either a different amp (no offence as it is a good amp) or a Audio Control active crossover.
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Posted By: BaddestBanshee
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 1:17 AM
Well here is how far I made it since saturday. The ppi amp is mounted on the back wall. The seat has been lifted 2 1/4 inches, seat is modified to fold up and the back to fold down. Used a set of actuators, and a window toggle switch to lock and unlock the backrest in place. Neon light on the back wall, nos switch in console, mounted the q bass switch in the console (like an epicenter remote). Cut the wood for the boxes, assembled one so far. I am making to seperate boxes so I can mount the mid amp on the center hump. So is the q bass the subsonic filter? The specs say 800w at 2 0hm load. So if I wire each sub for two ohm load, and hook up each channel (2) to each sub, then will the 2 ohm load produce a 800watt output on each channel to each sub? Is this amp gonna produce 800 watts unbridged, or is it 800w bridged at 2 ohm load. I am trying to figure out how to get the most output from each channel.
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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 2:00 PM
Q-bass is not a subsonic filter, it is a variable bass boost (a great way to destroy subs when used in excess) You are correct if you want to wire your subs in this fashion, it is called a parallel circuit and will draw the most out of the amp.
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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 4:08 PM
you could look inot building your own ftler, a bandpass filter basically, cuts the highs and super lows out but keeps the frequency's the sub can handle in look on this site there are crossover help guides on here
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Posted By: BaddestBanshee
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 11:06 PM
Ok, I read the posts on subsonic filters. everything is still unclear. How do I get one? So, the Q bass on this amp does not have a subsonic filter. We got some little white crossover for 50 bucks. Is there an article or link to one and what they look like, or how to make one? How about a link or manufacturer name and model to one?
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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 03, 2004 at 2:34 PM
The q-bass is not anything to do with a subsonic filter, it is as closely related to a subsonic filter as is your cat. Sounds like you are still confusing them. Harrison Laboratories makes a nice little subsonic filter that plugs into the rca lines, do a search and you may find their product lines. For a monsterous upgrade in performance have a look at processors made by Audio Control, it may be a eq or crossover that you look at but these guys build some rock solid componentry that will give you what you need and more. They can be found at www.audiocontrol.com. Hope this helps. ------------- Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.
Posted By: BaddestBanshee
Date Posted: February 03, 2004 at 8:42 PM
https://www.audiocontrol.com/MobileAudio/Products/index.html https://www.hlabs.com/products/ Can you guys click on these and leave me a link to the subsonic filters? I cant find one that mentions anything about one. ------------- Want to know about Audi, I thought you did.
Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 03, 2004 at 8:58 PM
Here you go. https://www.audiocontrol.com/MobileAudio/Products/SpecialProcessors/index.html If you have a look at the Epicenter it shows a pfm subsonic filter and any of the crossovers. I happen to like the Epicenter, it makes a sub go from having bass to getting shaken like a bowl of jello in an earthquake. https://www.hlabs.com/technical/crossovers/ These fmods are handy little gadgets, they are a crossover simulator and they do a real good job. They are nowhere near as expensive as an Audio Control piece, but they do not do the same tasks as well. What a subsonic filter is can be thought of as this. You have an amp on your front speakers, it has a highpass (hp) crossover to keep the damagaing bottom end from getting into the speakers. What the subsonic filter does is the same thing, it just does it at a much lower frequency. Hope this helps. ------------- Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.
Posted By: BaddestBanshee
Date Posted: February 03, 2004 at 11:11 PM
Thanks!
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