titanium vs tdx

has anybody compared the eclipse titanium 12's to a diamond audio tdx 12? whats the difference, which sub has better spl and which has better sq?

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Quad L Handyman services

I am a dealer for both, I have not yet enjoyed what the high end Diamond is capable of but do know what the Titanium can and will do, it is hard pressed to beat.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.

any body heard the tdx in comparasion to the titaniums?

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Quad L Handyman services

I, too, am a dealer for both. I have owned both, however, and based on my experience I have to put my money on the TDX. Both sound great and both have huge output potential, but I found the TDX more capable in a small box (.8 cu.ft. sealed) where the Titanium only impressed me at the 1 cu.ft. range. Also I was more impressed with the Diamond at the lower octaves, although I had to run synthisized bass tones to really hear a difference; regular music would make little difference apparant.

Mostly though, the TDX is a tank. I ran 1200 RMS watts (2 D7152, 1 bridged to each voice coil) and it held it together with no trouble. Even at stupid output levels, the kind of stuff you would never put a woofer through, the TDX rocked and never gave it up. The Eclipse is a different story. I bottomed that s.o.b. out non-stop with that kind of power, and it never got quite as loud because of it. I ended up with only 1 of the D7152 bridged into it before I really liked the sound of it.

I know a lot of people who love the Eclpise, and I would never call it a bad sub, because it definately is not. This is just my personal experience, and my opinion. Hope that helps!

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~Cory
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thats what i was looking for, they people at the shop that are dealers of both said the same thing i was just wondering if it was bd cuz they were trying to sell one over the other. thanks!

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Quad L Handyman services

does the p3 by rockford come anywhere near close to the out puts of the titaniums or the tdx?

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Quad L Handyman services

hey,
the p3 cannot handle the pounding that you can hand to the other two subs, however I would have to agree with the Finn on this one. I would pin the tdx against any sub, any day. You cannot beat the power handling this thing has. Also, it is one of the only subs that will truly go both ways(spl or sq).

so the tdx would be my best bet. what should i expect to pay for one 12"?

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Quad L Handyman services

Current retail on the TDX12 is right at 600 bucks. They are difficult to get deals on, but look around and something may pop up.

If I may suggest an enclosure design.After experimenting with several sealed applications,  I ultimately used the recommended vented enclosure right out of the TDX owner's manual. I made the vent 12" long instead of 10.5" to accommodate for a 3/4" radius on each end of the vent. I ran it with out an infrasonic filter and bridged one Diamond D7152 into each voicecoil for 1200 RMS watts, as I mentioned before. I loved the response from this box. Tuned frequency sits right at 36 Hz, which is pretty low for a ported box, and it has very little ripple so it was very transient. SPL was mindnumbing. My older audiocontrol portable RTA box measured 147 at the passenger windshield. Regardless of the details, this box kicked out the volume, hit the lower register with authority, and picked out every nuance in the bass rythyms. Great box if you don't mind that little extra gain at the 40 Hz range!

Enjoy that sub! Just remember to cream it with power and you will love it!

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~Cory
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Alpine F#1Status Certified

1200wrms isnt the rms on the subs 1000w?

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Quad L Handyman services

Yes, but I have sold and used Diamond gear for over 6 years and I have learned the Diamond philosophy on power ratings: underrated, underrated, underrated. David Navone just published his review of the TDX in November's issue of automedia (I think, don't murder me if that's not the right rag!) where he ran a 5000 wrms Crown amp at 1 ohm. He loved the performance of the speaker and he also indicated that the 1000 wrms number was little shy. But err on the side of caution, I suppose. Every Diamond speaker I have ever used, from the M3 coaxials to the TDX subs, has always benefited from some extra power. If the amp has a decent damping factor and you put it in a good enclosure, this sub will handle well over 1000 wrms under any listening condition. I have sold dozens of these subs since their introduction last year and I have only seen 1 blown up. Not many woofers can I say that about.

I said it before and I'll say it again: cream it with power and you'll love it!

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~Cory
Car Concepts SLC
Alpine F#1Status Certified

curretnly i have a rockford power1000a2 amp that puts out a 1000wrms at 4ohms, should i sell the amp and buy a new one if i plan to purchase and power the tdx subs. thanks for all the help.

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Quad L Handyman services

No way. That is one of the better amps Rockford had to offer in the last few years. It still uses Trans-NOVA technology, which is one of the most innovative amplifier technologies ever created. Get a TDX12D2, series it to a 4 ohm load bridge that Power 1000. Absolute kick a$$ bass.

You are golden with that amp, my friend.

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~Cory
Car Concepts SLC
Alpine F#1Status Certified

thnx.

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