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Topic: Alternator or Battery?

Posted By: sohx
Subject: Alternator or Battery?
Date Posted: February 19, 2004 at 6:43 PM

Hello,

A couple weeks ago I posted a questions about a similar problem. I still haven't had a fix.

Here's what I got...

2000 Pontiac Grand Am V6

2- Pioneer Premeir 10" subs

1-MTX amp. (425 max W)

4-gauge wire-60 A fuse.

Anyways, I had the whole system working fine for a year with everything but I had 8 gauge wire ran then instead of 4. About a month ago I put in 4 gauge. A week or so later the amp started kicking on and off at a set pattern. Later on I realized that not only was my amp making a delayed flicker, but my car electrical was making a minor flicker. I've been through alternator problems before in a similar setting, however I had the electrical flicker stop once I gave the car some gas. The next day the flicker went away. Then later on that week it just wouldn't work. I turned in the amp to a repair shop (thinking that was the case) and the guy said "there's nothing wrong with the amp at all" There went some money for nothing. So then I got all hands on and tested with a DMM my battery. I wanted to see if my battery was the problem. Tested the battery before and after, no problems. For some reason my car electrical works fine until I turn on the amp. I was wondering if by changing from 8 gauge wiring to 4 gauge-would that be a cause of the problem. Also, would a bigger (higher CCA) battery, alternator, or cap help? I was told that it could be my Power distributor inside my alternator that's the problem. It's pumping out enough to maintain the car fine without the amp. Just as soon as I kick it on the problem occurs. Would a higher-end alternator do the trick? Someone else told me it sounds like my wiring from the alternator to the battery might have a short in it. I don't know. What do you guys think? Any tests or fixes in mind? Let me know

Thanks




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Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: February 19, 2004 at 6:53 PM
What is the maximum current draw of the amplifier? What is the maximum current output of your factory alternator?

As you have discribed the situation, the alternator is unable to supply the needed current for your listening volume / demands, and I would consider an upgrade at this point.

Or in the short term, reduce the (listening) sound level, so as it does not produce the same problems you are experiencing.

The bottom line is: You will spend money now, or later.


Regards

EVIOL Teken . . .




Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: February 19, 2004 at 6:56 PM
Try running a length of 4 gauge power cable directly to your amp from the battery and turn the car on. If your problem goes away then there is probobly a short in your wire some where in the vehicle. Also you should have your alternator checked at a local shop that you trust to make sure there isnt anything wrong with it.




Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: February 19, 2004 at 6:58 PM

If his amp is only 425 watts max he shouldn't be having problems with his alternator. Its a different story if its 425 watts rms though.





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 19, 2004 at 7:33 PM

Wire the amp to another vehicle for it's power / ground and see what happens. You also need to see what the voltage is like when the battery is under load from the stereo being turned on, if the voltage has dropped to a level below 12 volts the amp may be reacting to this low level.

The other thing to check is the resistance on the ground return, this is very important in a GM vehicle. If you do not know how to do this post up and someone will explain it for you.



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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: sohx
Date Posted: February 19, 2004 at 8:38 PM
I was told by a pretty good source that it could be a voltage regulator issue tweaking out, and the only way to fix that is by pretty much just replacing the alternator. I think that's what I should do. I have had the alternator and battery fixed. It was working fine for more than a year and then this came up. I really don't think I'm pulling that much to get into a higher-output alternator. I think if I just get a basic alternator replacement that can be found from any auto parts store I can get this fixed. What do you guys think?




Posted By: acme
Date Posted: February 19, 2004 at 9:05 PM
Go to autozone or whatever chain store is around you and let them test your charging system for FREE. I'd look at whatever you touched before the problem arose- the new wire setup. Take a long look at he ground. Bare metal is a must at the ground point and take the previous posts advice on the ground resistance. When you said the flicker went away when you gave it gas? Acceleration?  Speeding up may have caused a loose ground to contact. Seriously though, I'd look at whats new if it was fine before. 




Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: February 20, 2004 at 11:37 AM
Hey man, I used to have the same problem in my car. It would be choppy when i was stopped, but when I hit the gas, it would play fine again. Looked in the trunk, turned out my groud came loose. It was sitting up right next to the bolt, but when I hit the gas, it would lean back and touch. Wierd. I highly doubt you have a problem in your electrical system. If you are only running 425 watts, you arent pulling much current at all. Especially if you've been running it for a year with no probs. Upgrading the wire would make things better for you. So, take a look at ur wires, u probably have something touching, that shouldn't be, or something not  touching, that should be. (i hope that made sense. :) Wait.. Before I go, did you upgrade your ground wire too? If you have 4 gauge power wire, and 8 gauge ground wire that might be part of the problem.

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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp




Posted By: sohx
Date Posted: February 20, 2004 at 1:30 PM
Alright, So I just wasted money on an alternator, (well I'd have to buy a new one sooner or later) anyways Alternator is not the problem. No, the flickering doesn't go away once I give it gas. It is a constant flicker. If that was the case I'd suspect it to being an alternator issue or ground. I have ran 4 gauge cable a couple times thinking maybe I just made a mistake wiring. The problem occurs over and over. I now am starting to think it's some car electrical issue. What wires from the alternator to the battery to amp could it be? I might have a service center check it out. I'm pretty sure now it's a car wiring short somewhere... what do you think? The short only kicks on once I turn on the amp. If that's not it maybe my amp is seriously tweaked. It passed a repair man a few weeks ago.




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 20, 2004 at 4:17 PM
Like I asked earlier, have you checked the resistance on the ground return? And are the grounds tight on the battery.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: sohx
Date Posted: February 20, 2004 at 10:01 PM

Sorry Rob, no I haven't checked the resistance I have a DMM how do you do that? They should be on tight since I just put the new side post in when I bought the new battery less than a month ago. I was starting to think maybe it is a groud issue. But where would it be. I know the ground to the amp should be alright I checked in multiple locations in the back to find a good ground. Yes I also made sure the metal was exposed well by sand papering the surface. Is there any car wiring (ground) that could be shorting out? That might be the case. Let me know what you think.

Thanks





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 21, 2004 at 12:38 PM

If the amp is mounted to metal, unmount it and place it on a piece of cardboard, does it still work?

To check the ground return resistance, unplug the ground wire from the amp and rest the bare end on the cardboard, do not allow it to touch metal or your hands when you go to do this test, it will throw the reading out the window. Take your meter and set it to read resistance. Ground 1 side of the meter to the - terminal on the battery. Take the other probe and attach it to the ground wire from the amp, if the leads are not long enough, use a length of wire as an extension cable. What is the reading?



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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: sohx
Date Posted: February 26, 2004 at 9:10 PM

Thanks for the answer Rob. Sorry I took so long to respond. I'll have to try measuring that tommarrow.  I'll let you know what's up. I really think you're on to something.

Here's one thing. I have a ground wire going straight from the chasis to the amp. Should I connect the probe on the end where the car chasis is?  While it's on or off the car chassis should I test it? Thanks alot man





Posted By: defective
Date Posted: February 27, 2004 at 9:01 AM
you are checking the resistance of the ground wire connection and ground point, you should measure from the amp end of the ground cable.   the lower the resistance, the better... for obvious reasons.    if it's a high resistance.... try sanding some more or even grounding to a different point......   for example, in my car, i drilled a hole through the trunk floor and ran the cable through a grommet in the floor to the underside of the car where i tapped a new hole directly in the frame, i then wire-wheeled this until it was bare steel and then grounded to this point.... this may be a little overkill but I am dead sure that my  ground is absolutly PERFECT.   Also upgrading the main ground wires in the car may have a vast effect.   EG. if the ground from the battery to the chassis is 8 guage, you might as well just use an 8 guage ground wire on your amp, that's all your gonna get, a chain is as strong as it's weakest link.   your ground on the battery should match the total amount of current (or guage) of power wire connected to your + lead. Also on that note... the alternator ground is equally as important, when your car is running, your battery is just a distribution block (car guys: i know it smooths the power and sh*t too. don't flame me.)

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Posted By: sohx
Date Posted: February 28, 2004 at 2:09 PM
Alright, I just made a huge deal out of something that was simple. The guy who checked out my amp told me there was nothing wrong with it. Later on after I had replaced my alternator and battery I thought. I am going to double check and see if it's the amp again. The guy said it's now not working. I was like..... what the @#$%..... anyways I'm looking into having it repaired or replaced. I think that's the problem now. Shiiiiiz well, thanks for all of your help guys. I'm sure now my cables have the best possible connection I can have with it now. Take it easy .... I'll post back if the amp really isn't the fix. I'm about 90% sure that's the case.




Posted By: superstreet786
Date Posted: March 16, 2004 at 7:48 PM
get a new alternator

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---- 1996 Chevy S10 ----
1 Lightning Audio S2.600.2 Amp
2 Lightning Audio 12" Subs
1 Lightning Audio 1 Farad Cap





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