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I would say that they are probally gonna be in the same league. Im guessing its gonna come down to one of those personal preferance things. Kinda like the JL w7 and the MTX 9500. One isnt better than the other, just different. But I could be wrong and these Alpines could be the best sub to hit the market in the long time, or they could be just another B*stard child on the block.

is the W7 better than the Power HX2's

one isn;t really better than the other, power hx2's are for SPL, and the W7 is more for SQ, but for the price, i would buy a power HX2

A good alternative to the w7 is the brahma from Adire, small company based outta CA but they know what the hell their doing. Freind of mine has a brahma and a set of Koda components and it's putting my JL stuff to shame, kinda pissed about it really. You can check their stuff out at www.adireaudio.com. After hearing the brahma in a sealed box and the w7 in a sealed box with the same amp and HU pushing 'em I gotta say the brahma won hands down and it goes for less than half the price of a w7, giving serious thought to getting rid of my stuff and going with the adire gear. Anyway I just wanted to through that out there, peace.

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ksin291 wrote:

A good alternative to the w7 is the brahma from Adire, small company based outta CA but they know what the hell their doing. Freind of mine has a brahma and a set of Koda components and it's putting my JL stuff to shame, kinda pissed about it really. You can check their stuff out at www.adireaudio.com. After hearing the brahma in a sealed box and the w7 in a sealed box with the same amp and HU pushing 'em I gotta say the brahma won hands down and it goes for less than half the price of a w7, giving serious thought to getting rid of my stuff and going with the adire gear. Anyway I just wanted to through that out there, peace.

You're right - the Brahma IS a good ALTERNATIVE, but not quite as good. I read a big long article on another forum about the comparisons between the JLW7 and the Brahma. The founder of Adire was actually doing the testing and posting the results. JL beat it, but not by much. So take it with a grain of salt posted_image

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when are these alpine type x's coming out, i really didnt care for the type r's there former top of the line sub, my friend had a pair of 12" type rs and they were definetly over rated in sound. what kinda power handling are the type x's going to have? im skeptical to put them in the same leage as a w7 before ive heard them or seen them in a store...

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Yeah but you can get a 12" brahma for like half of what you can get a w7 for on ebay, I'm not even talking about a JL authorized dealer I'm saying ebay. You can get the brahma shipped for like $350 total, that's pretty impressive.

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I'm not trying to bash JL here, I have all JL gear and I love em. I'm just saying that adire's gear is a good alternative to JL's w7 and as far as the compenents go adire's have a better off axis response IMO.

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94bonny wrote:

when are these alpine type x's coming out, i really didnt care for the type r's there former top of the line sub, my friend had a pair of 12" type rs and they were definetly over rated in sound. what kinda power handling are the type x's going to have? im skeptical to put them in the same leage as a w7 before ive heard them or seen them in a store...

The new alpine type-x will be out april 1st. Thay handle 1000 w rms, 3000 w peak.

I don't think there gona be by any means a spl sub, from the looks of them they are going to be just pure sq.

is april first going to be like a giant april fools joke on all of us alpine users?

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Something else that came out of that forum that I mentioned previously, and probably I've seen it elsewhere as well.

JL Audio makes their own precision machined parts on all their subwoofers. They don't buy in bulk or from an outside source, so their quality (and hence price tag) is going to be much greater than brands (including Adire) that don't do their own work (don't know about Eclipse, they were never brought up). Adire is still relatively new, so they may in the future use parts out of their own shop, but as I understood it, right now they don't on a lot of it, so they can sell their subs for less.

Just another reason to consider using JL Audio subs...

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Look I like JL stuff too, I have all JL gear in my car but the proof as they say is in the pudding. Listen to both play in pretty much the same environment and make your decision, to me the adire stuff was just hitting cleaner and harder on the same amp and hu in the same car. Does JL audio make excellent gear? yes, are they worth the premium you pay for them? maybe, it's all on the person who's looking to buy. Some people don't mind paying a premium for brand names and some people just want the most bang for their buck. The point is Adire makes great equipment for reasonable prices and is a good alternative to JL, at least that's my opinion.

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hey... the type-x subs are not out yet!!!..... i need them.... and BTW... they are planned to be the W7 killer

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A lot people have claimed that the next best sub coming out is going to be "the w7 killer" so far nobody has been able to pull it off, and please don't even bring out the MTX sub. The JL Audio W7 is an excellent SQL sub, basically it get's hell a loud and still sound excellent doing it. That is not an easy feat, that being said that are other alternatives out there that are cheaper and will give the w7 a run for it's money.

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ksin291 wrote:

A lot people have claimed that the next best sub coming out is going to be "the w7 killer" so far nobody has been able to pull it off, and please don't even bring out the MTX sub. The JL Audio W7 is an excellent SQL sub, basically it get's hell a loud and still sound excellent doing it. That is not an easy feat, that being said that are other alternatives out there that are cheaper and will give the w7 a run for it's money.

Exactly right.

ksin291 wrote:

A lot people have claimed that the next best sub coming out is going to be "the w7 killer" so far nobody has been able to pull it off, and please don't even bring out the MTX sub. The JL Audio W7 is an excellent SQL sub, basically it get's hell a loud and still sound excellent doing it. That is not an easy feat, that being said that are other alternatives out there that are cheaper and will give the w7 a run for it's money.

OK First of all there is a company that has Killed the w7. It is Orion!! Their H2 12" handles an impressive 2000 watts rms, 2500 peak. That is only one 12. They are a perfect mix of spl and sq with the right amp. They are awesome!!! I would put them up against a JL w7 anyday.

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Here is a link so you all can check them out.

https://www.orioncaraudio.com/subwoofers/sub_H2_series.asp#

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Alpine bumped all there release dates back to may 15th for there higher end products posted_image

, now i have to wait another month for my amps, subs, and deck, errrrr they did this last year too!!

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The H2 still dosnt hold up to the JL's quality.

Look I have personally have heard an H2, not bad but definately not a W7 killer and the build quality leaves a lot to be desired. We're not talking SPL subs here we are talking SQL and honestly while the H2 sounds pretty good it can't hold a candle to the sq you will get with a properly installed and powered W7, period!

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Eclipse anyone?

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Rockford Fosgate..

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has anyone noticed that pioneer and kenwood both have superwoofers as people like to call them. Any thoughts on those. BTW would 3 8w0's or 2 10w0's sound better in a reg cab ford ranger with fiberglass box.

I had rockford fosgate. And now i have Eclipse and i like them a lot more.

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Ya, Ill take an orion sub or a Mtx sub over JL any day of the week. I Have never been a JL fan and have had to much bad first hand experience to trust them. The Orion H2 are a JL killer in SPL but I would tend to agree that they dont sound as good as the W7 does. Honestly, I havent seen a sub that is a legit 2000 watt sub that is built for sound quality. Lets be realistic here. I will go on record as saying that I think the MTX 9500 sounds better than the W7 does. Once again I said I THINK, not it does. Personal Opinion, not up for debate. I understand that some people like one sub and others will like something else. I think it the eclipse subs also sound better than the JL subs do. I have always felt they were overratted but not nessasarily crap. I just feel that there is better quality equipment for the same money out there. Now you can begin telling me Im wrong and that JL is the greatest thing since sliced bread and I dont know my ass from a whole in the ground. Ready, Set, GO!!!

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BTW I would Put orions build quality up against JL any day of the week. I sold it for two years and never had a blown amp and I can only think of 1 set of subs, and they were cobalt ones, not exactly top of the line

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OK Let me tell you something about Orion!! I used to be a member of Team Extreme, and I am now a retailer for them. I will put an H2 against anything else on the market!! Sure the sq isn't as clear as some others, but they are built for SPL. Pure and simple. I have two 12's in my car, and I can tell you that when they are in the right enclosure nothing can touch them. I am hitting over 160db with only two 12's, and I have my gains turned down. The sq isn't to bad either. I designed the enclosure for sq as well as SPL. It is a sealed enclosure so that helps. I have yet to find anyone that can even come close to it. I have went up against MANY JL systems, and I have blown them out of the water everytime. It helps that I am running the biggest amps Orion offers. posted_image

The bad boys, 2 2500D's. In my opinion, they are the best on the market. Nothing out there can even compare to them. Orion definately makes the most powerful amps!!! They have to build good quality subs to keep up with them.

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I love it

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irhino2 wrote:

OK Let me tell you something about Orion!! I used to be a member of Team Extreme, and I am now a retailer for them. I will put an H2 against anything else on the market!! Sure the sq isn't as clear as some others, but they are built for SPL. Pure and simple. I have two 12's in my car, and I can tell you that when they are in the right enclosure nothing can touch them. I am hitting over 160db with only two 12's, and I have my gains turned down. The sq isn't to bad either. I designed the enclosure for sq as well as SPL. It is a sealed enclosure so that helps. I have yet to find anyone that can even come close to it. I have went up against MANY JL systems, and I have blown them out of the water everytime. It helps that I am running the biggest amps Orion offers. The bad boys, 2 2500D's. In my opinion, they are the best on the market. Nothing out there can even compare to them. Orion definately makes the most powerful amps!!! They have to build good quality subs to keep up with them.

Again we are talking SQL here not SPL the W7 is not meant to be an SPL sub period, once people get that into their heads we will be better off. I think Eclipse subs sound really good too, I just don't like their sound better than JL's. That's my opinion so it's really not debateable either, JL build quality is excellent and I have many friends who have been using them for years and have never had a problem with them. I personally have had the same JL amp for a couple of years and thrown different configurations at it and it has never flinched. And raven i'm sure that "you love it" you love anything and anyone that bashes JL.

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i still vote for the type-x's.... they're gonna kick. BTW, am i the only one with a car half built waiting for these subs?

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Orion is a good company, I just think their "looks" suck ass compared to what they used to look like. That's why I don't use their stuff.

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Polk GXR-4 x2

I have to agree there. Their look has gone down quite a bit. They used to look awesome, but know I think they are spending more time and money on developing other things. Maybe designing these kick ass amps they have. LOL Their amps have always been hard core. Their HCCA line was just sweet. They were way underrated for competition. I had a 1500HCCA that was putting out way more than they had it rated at.

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I agree that Orion makes great amps, well at least their old school stuff. I haven't heard their new amps all that much but I did have one the HCCA line of amps and it kicked major ass.

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i still vote for the type-x's.... they're gonna kick. BTW, am i the only one with a car half built waiting for these subs?

the system i plan to put in my truck this summer will consist of 4 X-12 if they live up to what alpine has hyped them to be.

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