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Topic: what subs are best?

Posted By: BangBang
Subject: what subs are best?
Date Posted: March 08, 2004 at 11:28 PM

Hi, yes i'm using a 1000 watt sony xplod amp. and i am pumping it out to two1 10" sony xplod subs

they are not top of the line brand. but they are decent.

All i pumping out of it is DISTORTION!!!! lolz  but yeah

i'm looking for better subs... What brand type of subs should i look at? what type of brand subs are best at hitting distortion.   I've seen some genric brand subs with large amounts of Magnet.....? so what should i do?




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Posted By: southside
Date Posted: March 08, 2004 at 11:38 PM
 i got those sonys too but i got the p5 series. i got a 1600w mono amp also sony. i had cerwin vega before an they banged pretty hard. those cheap subs with big magnets are trash they blow pretty easy. it all depends on what kind of bass an how loud u want your system to be.

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Posted By: Clean Install
Date Posted: March 08, 2004 at 11:42 PM

sony hummmm posted_image

I currently have in my car tsw-2000 pioneer premeer, and all I have to them is 1400 according to my amp...they sound great



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If we learn from each success and
each failure, then we can improve ourselves




Posted By: southside
Date Posted: March 08, 2004 at 11:48 PM
 man pioneer subs at least the one i heard from best buy are garbage. like i said it all depends on what kind of bass your looking for in your car an what kind of car u got. if u got a boat or mid sized or a clown car it all depends.

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southsider




Posted By: Clean Install
Date Posted: March 08, 2004 at 11:52 PM

Best Buy does not carry these subs ( at least not here) the 12s I have a 750rms/2000peak.....A little more than those (if they are the pioneer at our best buy)

TSW-2000 about 300-350 a each



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If we learn from each success and
each failure, then we can improve ourselves




Posted By: southside
Date Posted: March 08, 2004 at 11:57 PM
 naw those at best buy aren't that big. but i like cerwin vega an rockford they got a new line out that are hot too. but audiobaun is ok too.

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southsider




Posted By: Clean Install
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 12:16 AM
AudioBLING....I hear ya though I like rockford...cant wait to hear the T1's...plus I think that a speaker made Mb Quart will be good thats just me

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If we learn from each success and
each failure, then we can improve ourselves




Posted By: southside
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 12:28 AM
never heard of those but those rocks are gunna be tight

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southsider




Posted By: Clean Install
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 12:32 AM

I meant audiobahn posted_image, say did you hear about  the RF Hummer?



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If we learn from each success and
each failure, then we can improve ourselves




Posted By: lordliquid
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 8:36 AM

It's quite simple, really. JL Audio. Nothing else needs to be said. ;) If you're looking to buy cheap, you can look for used stuff, in speakers it's not going to make a whole lot of difference. Just make sure that everything looks good, and they arent blown, and there are no holes in the rubber/cone and you'll be in good shape. I personally was running 2 Cerwin Vega 12"s (old series vegas, not the new crap they make) in my Toyota until I wrecked it. They  are really good speakers, but you might have problems finding them anymore. Now, I am saving trunk space and pumping 600 watts of RF power into a single JL Audio 10w6. (Well, I will be when I get all my wiring and stuff done.) If you're buying new, then I would recommend JL, they consistently deliver high performance equipment, and it will be under warranty. A lot has to do with the type of sound you want, also, though... so you almost have to find a local dealer and go listen to the differences in the sounds if you are not already familiar with them.



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LordLiquid




Posted By: lordliquid
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 8:41 AM
Oh yeah... I was running a complete Sony Xplod system in my first car... 5 1/4s in the door, 6x9s in the deck, and 2 12's in the back on one of their smaller amps ( I think it was the 460) all on a CA700x... it sounded ok for what it was, but distortion levels were horrid. I'm still stuck using the same deck until I break down and buy a good one, but I wont buy anything else Sony for mobile audio period. None of it was worth it.


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LordLiquid




Posted By: 94bonny
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 9:35 AM

heres another idea, dont buy car audio from best buy, your best bet is to go to your local car audio specialist.  best buy does not really carry top of the line of anything.  the brands they carry do not really care about quality as much as they care about how many units they can sell to best buy nationally...sure your best buy can hook you up an ok to crappy system for a decent amount, but if you wanna nice system check a specialty audio store.



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Alpine cda 9813
jl 500/1
eclipse aluminum 15"




Posted By: BangBang
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 12:01 PM
yeah i wanna pump distortion. cuz with my gear bass does not sound good. and i like distortion !! so ... i was thinking about getting two fo the 1230w'z infinitys?  or go for generic brands but with big magnets?




Posted By: Prophit
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 12:12 PM
I would have to say JL, kicker, Audiobahns are pretty good too.. I have a pair of alpine Type R's and they are great.. So it just depends on taste and budget. Just never eva use sony.. they make laptop and great home electronics.. not good car audio..




Posted By: reeganhuza
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 3:20 PM

After blowing a variety of subs myslef (alpine, kenwood, sony and pioneer) my most recent JL configuration has drasticly outperformed any of my previous systems. I have used the same amp (kenwood KAC-7201) for all systems, and the amp itself has responded best to the JL subs. I definately reccomend changing your explods to a nice pair of JL W0 Subs. They are the lower end of the JL line, but i can guarantee a significant improvment to xplod "1100w" (riiiight) subs. You should also be aware of the fact that the Sony Amp you have will be a bottleneck in any system. Sony amps have way more bark than bite, they tend to be low quality, and inefficient. Much of your distortion will likely come from the amp regardless of the subs that are connected. Consider a JL e1200 amplifier. It is very efficient with regards to power use, and will hit drastic amount of frequencies compared to the sony. JL's officially stated power ratings may not seem impressive to those comparing to sonys"1100watt" subs, however; the JL's are of much higher quality and will definately play louder and clearer. You get what you pay for. I hope my constuctive criticism has helped you in your decision... and no... i dont work for JL ;) I just love there products.



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Cheers,
reeganuza
Newbie to site but not to systems.




Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 5:03 PM
I love my single JL W0 sub. Its power rating is under rated I think. Sony subs could maybe handle 1000 watts at 120 hz lol.




Posted By: Clean Install
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 7:17 PM
I have a single W0 also, it was "used", has not let me down...and sounds great

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If we learn from each success and
each failure, then we can improve ourselves




Posted By: soup
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 11:32 PM
Beyond Audio triple stacks




Posted By: soup
Date Posted: March 09, 2004 at 11:33 PM

Beyond Audio Inhumans I mean.... triple stacked magnets





Posted By: cheagreen
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 1:16 AM

Triple stacked doesn't mean, triple the sound quality and SPL. Its simply a magnet structure. Audiobahn has enormous magnets with very little sound quality and performance.

Someone in the previous post said "JL, Kicker, audiobahn is pretty nice too"....JL is God to audiobahn. Please don't put them in the same sentence. Kicker is good if your going for SPL.

Sony is good if you need paperweights.

JL audio only offer awesome quality, reliable, well-built products. That won't let you down.

Go out and buy 2 12" JL w0's with a ported enclosure tuned to 34htz. Throw that sony amp out the window and atleast buy a reliable amp that won't fail in 1 year at the most. (no joke). JBL bp600.1 at etronics.com would be great.



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Head Unit:Pioneer-Deh-1600
Fronts:Kicker 6x8 S57's
Front Amp:Coustic PowerLogic Amp460
Rear Fill:Stock 6x8's
Subs: 2 10" JL Audio W3's
Sub Amp: JBL bp600.1
Wiring: KnuKonceptz




Posted By: BangBang
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 2:04 AM

u guys should quit smashing on sony. your audio so tight, are u sponsored? did u buy or did u get it handed to you? how much u spend on ur car audio. ur so tight are u in the god damn magazines sporting ur car?

u should be more suggestive instead of smashing on what i have. ur nothing but snobs, think ur so tight with ur subs. y dont u just give them to me for free den .?

i'm here asking for subs that sound grreeat... not diss'z on the subs i got.





Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 2:20 AM
we hear you dude. a nice sub for the money is a logic ex1200 see them at www.logicsoundlab.com i put some in for a guy and they sound good and slam. as for sony i don't like them but, if you do then stay with them after all you are the dude pounding them. i always say get what you like not what's popular. jl,rf,memphis,diamondaudio, jbl, alpine, mtx, audiobahn, Boss audio, logic, pyle, lanzar,pioneer, jvc, clairion, cerwin vega, etc, etc,.................. the list go's on for car audio ever name i listed, and ever name i didn't has people who swear by that product and who swear at that product. so get what you want. if you like those sonys stay with them. i also agree about not slamming a dude's system too. we all do the best we can do, and some my not be as good as others, but they are too us. all of us.posted_image

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Posted By: Paradigm
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 8:05 AM

I'm just surprised this thread has gone 3 pages and not one person has brought up Adire or Eclipse! That's very surprising to me (there's always one person who recommends either of these two companies when a topic like this comes up).

If you like Sony, BangBang, that's your preference. Don't feel bad if people rag on you for that. I used to run Pyle and then Pioneer in my cars (with Sherwood and Rockwood amps), and I never felt bad about any of it. The main reson being is I paid for the gear myself and did all the install work myself while everyone else either had Mommy & Daddy buy theirs or had theirs "professionally" installed. Their's rattled or sounded awful, mine didn't. So don't feel bad about your choices.

I would recommend JL Audio or Kicker, Alpine Type R's, or even MTX (not really a big fan of theirs, but I digress). You should be able to find something nice at a low price with any of those brands. Good luck.



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Alpine CDA-7940
AudioControl EQT x2
JL Audio 1000/1
JL Audio 10W6 (originals) x3
Kicker ZR120
Kicker ZR460
Polk GXR-6 x4
Polk GXR-4 x2




Posted By: reeganhuza
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 10:53 AM

dude.... u dont need to be sponsored to buy a nice JL setup, you just neet to know what your doing when building a system. JL can be fairly reasonably priced at the entry level of there sub line. And its worth the extra $50-60 a sub, because you get a longer lasting and higher quality product. I paid for my entire system on my own, and u just gotta build it up right over time.

ps. JL's love being paired up in a single chamber box, sooo loud.



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reeganuza
Newbie to site but not to systems.




Posted By: BangBang
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 10:58 AM
Paradigm wrote:

I'm just surprised this thread has gone 3 pages and not one person has brought up Adire or Eclipse! That's very surprising to me (there's always one person who recommends either of these two companies when a topic like this comes up).

If you like Sony, BangBang, that's your preference. Don't feel bad if people rag on you for that. I used to run Pyle and then Pioneer in my cars (with Sherwood and Rockwood amps), and I never felt bad about any of it. The main reson being is I paid for the gear myself and did all the install work myself while everyone else either had Mommy & Daddy buy theirs or had theirs "professionally" installed. Their's rattled or sounded awful, mine didn't. So don't feel bad about your choices.

I would recommend JL Audio or Kicker, Alpine Type R's, or even MTX (not really a big fan of theirs, but I digress). You should be able to find something nice at a low price with any of those brands. Good luck.


Yeah thanx for your suggestion its really appreciated!





Posted By: BangBang
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 11:02 AM

speedwayaudio1 wrote:

we hear you dude. a nice sub for the money is a logic ex1200 see them at www.logicsoundlab.com i put some in for a guy and they sound good and slam. as for sony i don't like them but, if you do then stay with them after all you are the dude pounding them. i always say get what you like not what's popular. jl,rf,memphis,diamondaudio, jbl, alpine, mtx, audiobahn, Boss audio, logic, pyle, lanzar,pioneer, jvc, clairion, cerwin vega, etc, etc,.................. the list go's on for car audio ever name i listed, and ever name i didn't has people who swear by that product and who swear at that product. so get what you want. if you like those sonys stay with them. i also agree about not slamming a dude's system too. we all do the best we can do, and some my not be as good as others, but they are too us. all of us.posted_image

thats for your support and advice. that reallly helps thanx again .  would infinity'z 12"  1230w be good or poioneer ts-w34c?  out of those two subs what should  i buy?

for all those other readers i am comparing infiinity and pionnerr.. so plz dont post up about jl , kickers, fosgate. and etc... thanx !





Posted By: reeganhuza
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 11:07 AM

BangBang... sorry dude i really didnt have the intention to slam your system like that. Ive just had bad luck with sony personally, and have had better luck with other products.

To get your sony sounding clearer, i would recommend:

(this is assuming that you are currently set at a high or maxed power output to the subs.)

- Turn the amp to about 75% total output (saves the distortion of maxing out subs), you wont notice much of a volume diffierence, but the clarity should pick up.

- Turn the sub control on your head unit to a medium-high level (not max) this will soften the blow going to the amp.

- Turn off any "Bass Boost" button on the amplifier, i know mine usually ends up making the subs sound worse by lowering the stability and control of my amplifier.

Hopefully that helps you get the sound you are looking for, u might not even need new subs if your happy with that configuration, it made a big difference on my system. Sorry if i sounded snobby to you dude, good luck with your setup.

ps. im not sponsored, and my system was not baught for me.



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Newbie to site but not to systems.




Posted By: reeganhuza
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 11:10 AM

In response to the other post, i would reccomend Infinity hands down over pioneer. Infinity makes quality speakers that last forever, ive beat on a pair of Infinity Reference Series 4x6's for 3 years now and they still sound really clear and rich. I would imagine they put the same effort into there subwoofers.



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Posted By: BangBang
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 11:33 AM

yeah ok thanx. hey dont worry about, its all good reehunza  i guess i'll buy the infinity'z

hey i was jut looking at some 15" sub woofers. man they are tight....

i dunno but i seem to like volfenhags.. if u guys know anything about them let me know thanx.! again.





Posted By: cheagreen
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 12:02 PM

NO VOLFENHAGS! Their along the lines of sony.

I am simply informing you that sony has a VERY big repution for their car audio equipment. I have countless friends that call me saying "Dude, all my sony stuff just shut off"... Obviously you are not that experienced, thats why I let you no my way about Sonys car audio products.

Have you auditioned those volfenhags?  Looks are VERY VERY decieving. The car audio market has turned into "hey look how pretty my stuff is"...If your going "for show" then goahead with those subs.

I'd recommend the JL audio 15" w3v2. Or if you can afford it, some Adire brahma's..Awesome subs.



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Head Unit:Pioneer-Deh-1600
Fronts:Kicker 6x8 S57's
Front Amp:Coustic PowerLogic Amp460
Rear Fill:Stock 6x8's
Subs: 2 10" JL Audio W3's
Sub Amp: JBL bp600.1
Wiring: KnuKonceptz




Posted By: southside
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 4:52 PM
 ya bang bang i got the whole sony set up, my sh*t bangs. people can feel me two blocks away but are those volfenhags any good?

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Posted By: lagatbezan
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 5:03 PM

here is my 2 cent: with the amp that you have running, the sony 1000 watts, get either the JL 12w0's or MTX 6000.  You can get the MTX's in dual 4 ohm voice coil and wire two of them in 4 ohm mono.





Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 5:22 PM
If you have a local dealer that sells JL buy some W0 subs. If not or if just plain don't want JL stuff then definitely buy the Infinity subs. Volfenhag is in the same category as Audiobahn it looks like (more bling then sound).




Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: March 10, 2004 at 11:36 PM
i have not heard any volfenhag subs. people have told me that there not very good. i don't know they may sound great to you. remember that's who you have to please is your self.

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Posted By: southside
Date Posted: March 12, 2004 at 4:27 PM
i was just wondering since i'm getting a new car an want to get into somw comps. so i was wondering if they were any good, i haven;t heard them before

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southsider




Posted By: sam1
Date Posted: March 12, 2004 at 4:40 PM
my freind has two volfenhag 12s in an awesome award winning ported box in his blazer.  god damn loud as hell.  its all in the box.  the only thing i dont like about them is they have kind of a metallic sound to them listening up close, but you wouldnt hear it in a trunk.




Posted By: BangBang
Date Posted: March 12, 2004 at 11:59 PM

sam1]m wrote:

freind has two volfenhag 12s in an awesome award winning ported box in his blazer.  god damn loud as hell.  its all in the box.  the only thing i dont like about them is they have kind of a metallic sound to them listening up close, but you wouldnt hear it in a trunk.

yeah i plan on getting some 12's ... wats the diff between a ported box and or sealed box and or bandpass box or any other box? can u show pics and examples?





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: March 13, 2004 at 1:08 AM
Bang Bang, some of us will not reply to topics like this as they are way to general in purpose. Every Tom, Dick and Harry has there favorite brand to use and their favorite brand to hate. From what I have read on this thread, you have a lot of good replies from people who have had good experiences with many brands. Alot of these people are people just like yourself and will share what they know. Some of us have the luxury of years of experience and the capability to play with different audio gear every day. This experience and use of different gear gives us a definite edge when it comes to designing systems for different people and differing vehicles. I could easily recommend many things for you, as could Dyohn or Bberman1 and many others, but it is you that needs to do the research into what you need and what you can afford. Then if you need help, we'll be glad to answer your question as it will not be in a general form, it will now be specific.

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Posted By: 94bonny
Date Posted: March 13, 2004 at 4:55 PM
Bang Bang, if your going to chose between volfenhag and infinity, id say hands down infinity, their perfect line is stellar. these white nonscalant subs are very reliable and a pair of 12.1 perfets would be a nice slam for your buck.

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Alpine cda 9813
jl 500/1
eclipse aluminum 15"




Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: March 13, 2004 at 5:21 PM
Try one or two Kappa Perfects.





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