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Topic: 2001 Monte delayed power?

Posted By: nbb350
Subject: 2001 Monte delayed power?
Date Posted: March 13, 2004 at 2:43 PM

I'm installing a new head unit into a 2001 Monte Carlo LS and the Metra wiring harness comes with a note saying that a switched power lead does not exist in the factory wiring harness (i'm guessing the computer tells the factory radio when to turn "on" over the data bus lead in the harness). 

What i would like to do is to retain the delayed radio power option that the factory radio has with my new Kenwood head unit.  I was thinking i could do this by tapping into the power windows - which are still hot after the key is turned off and until the doors are opened.  i figured i'd tap into the window switch supply and use that lead to energize a relay with a fused power source direct from the battery.  that way the current draw from the relay shouldn' t blow any factory power window fuses - which it "could" if i hooked the new radio up directly to the power window lead.

My main question: where is a good place to tap into the power window lead?  can it be done in the driver's kickpanel area or under the dash without pulling the door panel?  i'd really like to not have to pull the door panel and trace wires.  or could i just pull the switch?  (just thought of that as i'm typing). 

since neither Haynes nor Chilton has bothered to publish a body manual for this vehicle yet, i'm kinda reluctant to start pulling off panels - i never know if it's held on with a hidden clip which will pop off OR a hidden screw which will snap off a panel tab somewhere!

thanks!



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Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
Hifonics Zeus
Rockford 12" Punch



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 13, 2004 at 3:38 PM

Your plan might work, but if the GM off-delay is like the Ford off-delay, the circuitry is inside the Visteon head unit not from the computer.  You will probably need the Chevrolet factory wiring diagram for the car, which can be purchased through any dealer for about $40.





Posted By: Metra Tech
Date Posted: March 14, 2004 at 9:44 AM
Why don't you use thr proper wiring harness? A lot easier and safer. Metra part# GMRC-01.




Posted By: nbb350
Date Posted: March 14, 2004 at 11:42 AM

i looked at the Metra GMRC-01 harness on several websites and it looked like all it did was retain the factory door chime.  i don't really care about the door chime as much as the computer interface.  i did not see any provisions on the harness to relocate the factory radio so i can retain my computer settings interface.  i DO have the Metra 70-2003T GM 2000-up Class 2 Data Retention Harness and inside on the instruction sheet it says "Due to the fact that a switched 12-volt accessory lead does NOT exist in the factory harness, an accessory source must be located."  that's what i'm trying to do. 

the windows are hot while the factory radio is hot - even after turning off the key.  i figure they must use the same singal source for time delay.  i also figure the power window relay (switched by the computer?) can handle the tiny current load of another relay to power the required switched accessory lead for the aftermarket radio.

i'm just wondering if anyone who has worked on a monte could help me out with locating this one wire...

on another note  though: since the factory system has an outboard amp in the trunk, am i correct in assuming that i will either have to: 1) drop my speaker leads from my Kenwood down to linelevel to interface into the factory harness at the dash, 2) bypass the factory harness/amp and run wires directly to the factory speakers, or 3) use Kenwood linelevels and aftermarket amp and speakers (this was intended to just be a headunit swap - not an entire system swap)?



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Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
Hifonics Zeus
Rockford 12" Punch




Posted By: nbb350
Date Posted: March 14, 2004 at 11:46 AM
NOTE: the Metra 70-2003T harness i mentioned above DOES have a 2 wire lead branching off of it for the addition of the Metra SP-2003 door chime speaker.  i plan on just hooking up a little 2" computer speaker to that eventually.  sorry Metra!

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Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
Hifonics Zeus
Rockford 12" Punch




Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: March 14, 2004 at 1:30 PM
The GMRC-01 does supply a switched retained accessory power lead in addition to the door chime speaker - also, you don't need to keep the factory radio in the car when using it. If you can get one and return the 2003T, that's your best option.
If for whatever reason you can't get the GMRC-01, there is a wire in the driver's door boot which supplies retained accessory power to the windows, etc.; I am about 90% sure that it's a tan wire; if not just try some of the other heavy gauge wires there until you find one that reads 12v+ when the key is turned on and stays at 12v+ until the door is opened.




Posted By: Metra Tech
Date Posted: March 14, 2004 at 1:48 PM

Thank you chrisswallace187 for the clarification.

Now, if you have a factory amp in this vehicle and you want to make it an easy install, use Metra part# GMOS-03 instead of the GMRC-01. It is the same piece except the GMOS-03 will interface your factory amps for you.

Recap; GMOS-03 WILL keep delayed accessory feature.

              GMOS-03 WILL interface factory amp.

              GMOS-03 You DO NOT have to keep the factory radio in the vehicle.





Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: March 14, 2004 at 4:46 PM
Also - forgot to put this in my first message - you probably won't need to worry about doing anything special to integrate the factory amp on this car. GMs amplified factory systems(with the exception of Bose systems and some trucks and SUVs) tend to accept speaker level inputs from an aftermarket radio fairly well.

As long as the remote turn-on wire in the aftermarket harness is connected, it will probably work out fine that way. Try doing that and see how it sounds before rewiring anything.

Another thing from your earlier post - the GMRC-01 contains databus circuitry to send and receive signals from the BCM, in the same way as the factory radio does. While it doesn't retain all functions(e.g. with the factory radio each keyless entry remote has an individual set of presets, this feature isn't kept), it does keep the data line intact so you don't have the air bag light on, or the bcm going bonkers or anything like that.




Posted By: Metra Tech
Date Posted: March 15, 2004 at 10:11 AM
That would be fine Chriswallace187 as long as you did not want your chimes or there is no Onstar in the vehicle. For these applications you have to use the GMOS-03 as the GMOS-03 turns the factory amp on when the key is out of the ignition to turn your chimes on. Also, the GMOS-03 turns the radio off and turns the factory amp on when the On-Star is activated.




Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: March 15, 2004 at 11:01 AM
I'm not sure what you mean about not wanting chimes...the GMRC-01 has a chime speaker built into it so there wouldn't be a need to turn on the factory amp for that purpose. I can see the On-Star issue though, but just the factory amp shouldn't be a problem.




Posted By: Metra Tech
Date Posted: March 15, 2004 at 11:47 AM

I am not 100% sure that the GMRC-01 works that way, but it makes sense, but in order for me to refer that way I would have to be 100%. If you say it will work, cool, run with it, but if you have not tried it in that application please let the general public know. The chimes on the amplified vehicles are powered by the amp not the radio.





Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: March 15, 2004 at 3:53 PM
The GMRC-01 has a chime speaker built in which generates chimes whenever the BCM sends the command to over the data line. It doesn't have any need to turn on the amp, since it replaces the factory chime system. I'll eat my DMM if it doesn't work in this application.




Posted By: Metra Tech
Date Posted: March 16, 2004 at 10:32 AM
That is totally true but what I was referring to was the data signal that the GMRC-01 needs to reproduce those chimes. On the amplified vehicles the computer tells the amp to reproduce the chime, not the radio. It should work yes as it makes sense in theory because it's all on the data bus, but unless I know 100%, I cannot recommend. Please try this for me and let me know. 




Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: March 16, 2004 at 11:45 PM
ok...I understand what you're saying now. I have used a GMRC-01 on my '02 Sunfire with the Monsoon system, and the chime function works perfectly there. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work on an amplified Monte Carlo as well.




Posted By: Metra Tech
Date Posted: March 17, 2004 at 9:43 AM
Cool, thanks for letting me know. I figured it would work.




Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: March 18, 2004 at 5:33 PM
not a problem




Posted By: nbb350
Date Posted: March 19, 2004 at 10:16 AM

well, since i started this post i suppose i should do the courtesy of keeping anyone reading it updated of my decisions and status (especially anyone who is learning about montes from it!).

what i've decided to do is keep the Metra 70-2003T harness i have because i WANT to relocate the factory deck because i WANT to retain my computer interface so i can reset options.  since the Metra 70-2003T harness has a plug for hooking up a speaker for the "door chimes" i plan on attaching an $0.87 Ford 2" speaker that I got from Parts Express and hiding that down under the dash somewhere that i can still hear it, but not see it.  i kinda like the chime to remind me of when my parking brake is on. 

since the Metra 70-2003T harness doesn't knock the aftermarket speaker leads down to linelevel, i'm planning on running new wires to all speaker locations and bypassing the factory wiring and amp.  i've read in different posts that only the rear 6x9s are run off of the rear deck amp but i'm going to check into that carefully.  I would much prefer to just run wires to the trunk for the 6x9s and use the factory wiring harness for the front door speakers (then i don't have to pull the door panels!) - but i don't want to risk damaging the amp (it all goes back to stock when i sell it someday) if in fact the amp drives all 4 speakers.

i've surfed around and found instructions for removing the dash panel around the radio and i'm just going to yank the door panels the old fashioned way - carefully.  i also PLAN on taking digital pictures as i go and possibly posting them on my website for others to learn from when working on a monte carlo.  we'll see how ambitious i get!



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Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
Hifonics Zeus
Rockford 12" Punch




Posted By: nbb350
Date Posted: March 19, 2004 at 10:36 AM
oh yeah, i also plan on tapping into the power window wire to run a relay for my 12+ switched power lead...

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Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
Hifonics Zeus
Rockford 12" Punch




Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: March 19, 2004 at 12:55 PM
that certainly sounds ambitious enough. I'd still suggest test running it without bypassing the factory amp, though, for 2 reasons.
First is in my personal experience I have hooked up speaker level wires to factory amplifiers on several GM vehicles(including my personal '02 Sunfire w/Monsoon system), and the sound quality was not noticeably affected.
Second, GMs amplified systems tend to have unconventional speaker wiring setups(e.g. on my Sunfire the front tweeters are 4 ohm, the woofers are 2 ohm, and I'm pretty sure it's the same way with the rear 6x9s; and each woofer or tweeter has its own wires from the amp).

I don't mean to discourage you, just thought you should know this. Let us know how it goes, and good luck.

Chris




Posted By: nbb350
Date Posted: March 19, 2004 at 3:28 PM

i just hope i can keep this thing from snowballing into a full system...i still have all my old PPI white Art series amps from when i competed back in 95 and the A1200 shell which i purchased with the intent to cover my crossover and power distribution (and now sirius satellite tuner).  the bottom side of that trunk lid is a huge flat area that just seems to scream "mount things on me!"  :) of course if i install the PPI amps, i need a new sub box and forced air cooling and neon and actuators and...ah...the good old days before careers and family!

i might stop by the local GM dealer and see how much the electrical schematic would cost too...

thanks to everyone for all the help!



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Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
Hifonics Zeus
Rockford 12" Punch




Posted By: nbb350
Date Posted: March 24, 2004 at 6:09 PM

FYI:  system is in and works great.  everything went as planned (essentially!).

i did take pics and have the website chronicling the install about 70% done.  i'll post the address in a new post for anyone that's interested as soon as i get it finished and FTP'd to the server.  hopefully up by last week of march.



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Nick B. ~ MN
2001 Monte Carlo LS
Kenwood KDC-MP925
Hifonics Zeus
Rockford 12" Punch





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