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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=29110
Printed Date: May 19, 2024 at 9:10 AM


Topic: Sub not working

Posted By: gregfocker77521
Subject: Sub not working
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 1:58 PM

 I have a JL 10w6 sub that is not working.  I can see what is wrong with it. But what I know is that sub will not move at all, can't move it with my hands or anything.  Can someone tell me what is wrong with it and if it can be repaired?




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Posted By: 97neon
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 2:05 PM
i have the same problem with my sh*t bahn, you fried the voice coil! or the former seperated




Posted By: gregfocker77521
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 2:11 PM
So would it be worth it to repair or just throw away? How do I know what happened to it.  Some A@#$%^& sold it to me like that I am so pissed. 




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 2:20 PM
If your sub's cone will not move, the voice coil is fried.  There are a number of ways this can happen, but the most common are 1) defective speaker, 2) overpower, 3) overpower due to amplifier clipping, 4) wrong enclosure.  It can be repaired by re-coning the speaker, but the cost may be more than a new speaker.  Check with a loudspeaker re-cone service.  Start here: https://www.recone.com/




Posted By: superstreet786
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 12:37 PM
you couldve also underpowered it because mine did it from being underpowered by a damned sony amp

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---- 1996 Chevy S10 ----
1 Lightning Audio S2.600.2 Amp
2 Lightning Audio 12" Subs
1 Lightning Audio 1 Farad Cap




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 1:36 PM
"Underpower" will not harm speakers, this is a myth.  BUT, if you use too small an amp or too cheap an amp and try to compensate by cranking up the gain, you can drive the amp into clipping which CAN harm speakers.  Thus the idea it was underpower that did it.  It is clipping, not too little power.  Too little power by itself CANNOT under any circumstances on earth harm a loudspeaker unless the amp is clipping, period.




Posted By: superstreet786
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 5:42 PM

haha i better stop believing the local car audio places then... your explanation sounds ALOT more reasonable. 



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---- 1996 Chevy S10 ----
1 Lightning Audio S2.600.2 Amp
2 Lightning Audio 12" Subs
1 Lightning Audio 1 Farad Cap




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 6:11 PM
A lot of car stereo shops will lie to you and try and tell you it is dangerous to "underpower" a sub, because they want to sell you larger, more expensive amps.  It is complete BS.  I design professional sound systems for a living and can tell you we always use a 3X to 5X safety factor in our subwoofer designs, meaning if the SPL we want to achieve requires 500 watts of audio power, we use subs rated at no less than 1500 watts RMS so we know we won't blow them.  Underpower does not harm speakers, over-power or DC from a clipping amp does.




Posted By: superstreet786
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 6:21 PM
well i run equal power RMS on amps and subs so i think i should be good right?

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---- 1996 Chevy S10 ----
1 Lightning Audio S2.600.2 Amp
2 Lightning Audio 12" Subs
1 Lightning Audio 1 Farad Cap




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 6:24 PM
As long as your gain is set correctly for the signal level you are giving it, yes, you should be good as long as you are using equipment from a reputable manufacturer.  Lightning tends to give really accurate ratings for their components, so you are fine as long as the amp is not clipping.




Posted By: flatulatta
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 9:58 PM
what is wrong if the coil moves quite freely?? it feels as if its deattached from the coil what could have caused this?




Posted By: superstreet786
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 10:00 PM
id say overpower but i honestly dont know lol

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---- 1996 Chevy S10 ----
1 Lightning Audio S2.600.2 Amp
2 Lightning Audio 12" Subs
1 Lightning Audio 1 Farad Cap




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 10:21 PM
If the voice coil has come detached from the woofer cone (actually from the former,) the most likely cause is either overpower or improper enclosure design.  Or maybe a defective speaker from the factory.  This type of failure is rather rare, however.




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 10:22 PM
Oh, and sometimes if a speaker cone moves way too freely by hand, the real problem is a seperated surround...




Posted By: superstreet786
Date Posted: March 31, 2004 at 10:58 PM

yea u shouldnt be able to move it very easily once its in the enclosure



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---- 1996 Chevy S10 ----
1 Lightning Audio S2.600.2 Amp
2 Lightning Audio 12" Subs
1 Lightning Audio 1 Farad Cap





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