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Topic: spl subwoofer

Posted By: bruno71088
Subject: spl subwoofer
Date Posted: May 08, 2004 at 10:24 PM

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I was wondering what you guys think about this subwoofer's quality. is it worth 100 bucks i saw it on ebay. it says 1100 watts rms do you believe it will really do this?

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 08, 2004 at 10:45 PM
In a word?  No.

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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: May 08, 2004 at 10:48 PM
In two words, Bad News

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Posted By: bruno71088
Date Posted: May 08, 2004 at 10:55 PM
thanks guys that sub is definetly out of the question i think ill get a pg titanium 10"

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 3:52 AM
maybe 1100 KRACO watts!

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."




Posted By: hookmeup2
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 4:00 AM

i was considering the 15" version of this sub also. this sub is made by power acoustik and is very similar to or above the MOFO subs. i've heard good things about the MOFO subs on other forums. The MOFO's kick @ss in ported enclosures. search  on the net for reviews for this sub from people that ACTUALLY OWN THIS SUB. some people are partial to certain brands and everthing else is junk.  don't let the discount price fool you. this model has been out for a while. that maybe why the price is so low. check the specs for yourself. this is only my opinion. i usually get advice from many sources before making decisions.





Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 4:08 AM
In defense of DYohn, I think he can speak from a pretty good point of view... any driver that claims 1100 watts better be able to back it up. Do you know how much 1100 watts is? If you plug that driver in to the wall of your house, will it LIVE? No?, well that is only 900 watts... Paper cone, no coolong vents, what appears to be a fairly long excursion, i would have to say "I doubt it"

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Posted By: hookmeup2
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 4:59 AM

here are the specs for the 10" version of this sub. now what's wrong with this sub?

Dual 1 ohm voice coils
·Die cast aluminum basket
·Black wrinkle finish with diamond cut
·Cloth laminated paper cone with MD6 coating
·Black wrinkle finish front & back plate
·Large foam rubber surround
·One peice, 360º rubber gasket
·Dual Conex spider
·Tinsel lead woven through spider
·Chrome screw terminals
·2200 watts power handling
·270 oz. magnet
·3Inch BASV/Kapton hybrid 18 AWG voice coil
·SPL 89 dB
·Sealed Box: N/A
·Ported Box: 1.65 cu. ft.
·Tuning: 45 Hz
·Port Size: 3Inch (dia) x 9.25Inch (length)
·# of ports: 2

• 2200 watts power handling
• 1000 watts RMS
• 270 oz. magnet
• 3” BASV/Kapton hybrid 18 AWG voice coil
• FS 32(Hz)
• Vas 0.5 cu.ft.
• Qes: 0.359 • Qms: 3.53 • Qts: 0.23
• Xmax: 0.4”
• SPL 89 dB
• Sealed box: N/A
• Ported box: 1.65 cu. ft.
• Tuning: 45 Hz
• Port size: 3” (dia) x 9.25” (length)
• # of ports: 2 SPL  SPLW10





Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 7:27 AM
Are you sure of these specs?  The Vas is .5?  Doesn't look like you can build a box for it, to me.  Please double-check specs or post the manual.  It seems to me that the SPL output would be weak and unsubstantial for a $100 woofer.  I'll spend my hundred dollars in some different ways.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 9:11 AM

SPL products are imported by Power Acoustic.  They are generic Chinese knock-off products designed to look good and with very questionable specs.  I have tested enough PA products to know that everything they make is over-rated by at least 100% and in general is flea-market quality.  If all you want is loud noise to disturb the neighbors that may or may not bear any resemblence to music, then for $100 these things are a steal.  But if you go to the local flea market you can most likely find these exact same products (maybe even with nifty CHROME PLATING on the basket!) for around $75.  They are nice looking crap and I for one would rather give my $100 to the crack head on the corner.

So that's my opinion.

By the way, combine that whopping huge Vas with the incredible 0.5" Xmax and I bet these guys CAN handle 1100 watts... and produce about 99db with it.



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Posted By: hookmeup2
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 12:38 PM

below are the specs for the mofo series. the vas is supposed to be 5.0 cu ft. that's a typo.

i dont know where you live but i can find brand new, current models and closeouts from  jl, fosgate, kicker l7, infinity, jbl, polk audio and mb quart at the flea market right along side power acoustik. i checked the reviews from owners of their product and most seem to be happy with their purchase. i've seen magazine reviews on their class d amps and they put out their rms rating. as far as imports from china, damn near all car electronics you buy are imports. but that says nothing about product. i would buy the sub from a dealer that offers a return policy and listen for myself. if the customer likes it then thats a good product for that customer. it may not sound good to us but if he/she likes it then thats what counts. if no one liked them then the company wouldnt be around as long or have the money to buy up other established car audio manufacturers. i personally own lanzar amps, a vibe1200d and a vibe 420 and audiocontrol processors and 2 audiocontrol eq's playing thu infinity speakers and subs.  i love the sound quality. these are both very good, solid amps with no problems after 1 1/2 years of use. lots of people bash lanzar as being flea market trash and china imports, but many people on car audio forums love these and will testify to the quality and actual RMS ratings tested in labs. this is why im sticking up for power acoustik. any way here are the specs from poweracoustik.com.

MOFO-10

  • 2400 watts power
  • 1000 Watts RMS
  • 270 oz. magnet
  • 3” BASV/Kapton Hybrid 18 A
  • WG Voice Coil
  • SPL 89 dB
  • Fs: 30 Hz
  • Vas: 0.351 cu.ft.
  • Qms: 3.36
  • Qes: 0.3
  • Qts: 0.3012
  • Xmax: 0.5"
  • Sealed box: N/A
  • Ported box: 1.75 cu..Ft.
  • Tuning: 40 Hz
  • Port size: 4”(dia)x9”(length)
  • # of ports: 1

MOFO-12

  • 2400 watts power
  • 1200 Watts RMS
  • 270 oz. magnet
  • 3” BASV/Kapton Hybrid 18 AWG Voice Coil
  • SPL 90 dB
  • Fs: 36.7 Hz
  • Vas: 0.73 cu.ft.
  • Qms: 5.34
  • Qes: 0.36
  • Qts: 0.3363
  • Xmax: 0.7"
  • Sealed box: N/A
  • Ported box: 2.4 cu..Ft.
  • Tuning: 40 Hz
  • Port size: 3”(dia)x6.75”(length)
  • # of ports: 2

MOFO-15

  • 2600 watts power handling
  • 1500 Watts RMS
  • 340 oz. magnet
  • 4” BASV/Kapton Hybrid 18 AWG Voice Coil
  • SPL 92 dB
  • Fs: 33.5 Hz
  • Vas: 1.4 cu.ft.
  • Qms: 7.17
  • Qes: 0.51
  • Qts: 0.4795
  • Xmax: 0.9"
  • Sealed box: N/A
  • Ported box: 3.4 cu..Ft.
  • Tuning: 40 Hz
  • Port size: 4”(dia)x8.25”(length)
  • # of ports: 2
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 1:20 PM
hookmeup2 wrote:

below are the specs for the mofo series. the vas is supposed to be 5.0 cu ft. that's a typo.

i dont know where you live but i can find brand new, current models and closeouts from  jl, fosgate, kicker l7, infinity, jbl, polk audio and mb quart at the flea market right along side power acoustik. i checked the reviews from owners of their product and most seem to be happy with their purchase. i've seen magazine reviews on their class d amps and they put out their rms rating. as far as imports from china, damn near all car electronics you buy are imports. but that says nothing about product. i would buy the sub from a dealer that offers a return policy and listen for myself. if the customer likes it then thats a good product for that customer. it may not sound good to us but if he/she likes it then thats what counts. if no one liked them then the company wouldnt be around as long or have the money to buy up other established car audio manufacturers. i personally own lanzar amps, a vibe1200d and a vibe 420 and audiocontrol processors and 2 audiocontrol eq's playing thu infinity speakers and subs.  i love the sound quality. these are both very good, solid amps with no problems after 1 1/2 years of use. lots of people bash lanzar as being flea market trash and china imports, but many people on car audio forums love these and will testify to the quality and actual RMS ratings tested in labs. this is why im sticking up for power acoustik. any way here are the specs from poweracoustik.com.


No, it's not a typo.  The www.SPLUSA.com website lists the Vas for these woofers as 0.5 on one page and as 0.6 on another page.  Crap ratings.  I do not believe for one second that they will do more than make noise.

And you are correct, if you like the sound then it doesn't matter who make the equipment.  One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Power Acoustik, SPL, Lanzar, Boss, Pyle, Pyramid, Mobile Authority, Recotron, Audiovox, Legacy, Performance Teknique, Soundstorm, Rockwood, etc. are all WAY below my personal expectations for quality and I could never use nor recomend them to anyone.  But if they float your boat, then go for it.



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Posted By: bruno71088
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 1:30 PM
I appreciate everyones input very much but as soon as dyohn went against it i did too thanks for everyone's help with the subwoofer.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 1:55 PM
If you want a good quality 12" sub that sounds decent, can do more than simply generate SPL and will list realistic ratings, listen to MTX, Dayton, Phoenix Gold, Alpine S, Infinity Reference, Blaupunkt or several other well-known and established brands.  Many mainstream manufacturers offer under-$100 12" subs, so you don't have to resort ot the flea market.  At least with these you will be able to believe the ratings and know they are not knock-offs of someone else's designs built in a sweat shop with the brand name slapped on after the fact.

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Posted By: hookmeup2
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 2:04 PM
hey dyohn the link you gave doesnt work. these and the other products are not meant for audiophiles. the ears of most folks arent tuned to hear the sound quality of some more expensive brands. or price is their main concern. ive installed or heard most of the brands you listed and some sounded surprisingly good to ok and others were really bad. but the customer loved it. there are gems made by many of these companies with good components, but you have to find them. that's why i dont like blanket statements about a brand because of a personal bad experience with one of their models. on some other forums i hear Boss has some decent amps in their new IQ line. power acoustik class d amps do very close to their rms and have fully regulated power supplies. their 3000w was reviewed by psmag.com and it pushed 2200w at 14v and drew 190 amps. thats not bad for $340.00




Posted By: hookmeup2
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 2:09 PM

since bruno found his answer that does it for me. i enjoyed our discussion. thanx





Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 2:30 PM

Oops sorry, it should be www.splusa.net.

You are absolutely correct, hookmeup.  Sorry for the blanket statements.  I too have been surprised by things like Crunch Blackmax series of amps, when I usually call Crunch crap too.

The real bottom line to all this:  Although you ALWAYS end up getting what yu pay for, LISTEN to equipment before yu part with your hard earned cash, and buy what sounds good to you no matter what snobs (like me) say!  :)



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Posted By: bruno71088
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 2:40 PM
hey the reason i want another subwoofer is i already have two mtx thunder8000 and they sound great, but now my rf 401s amp that was gettin repaired is repaired and i wanted to buy another subwoofer to be ran off of the 401s i think im going to get a pg titanium they are around 75-90 bucks shipped on ebay do you think this subwoofer will be a good match for that amp if not list another good sub you know about that would sound good with this amp for around same price thanks for all your help

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Posted By: hookmeup2
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 6:28 PM
hey dyohn. what's the deal with the crunch blackmaxx amps. i've looked at them on maxsonics.com. are they similiar to the hifonics line? i'm always looking for a good budget line. thanx




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 7:13 PM
Yea, I was impressed with them for the price.  Much cleaner than the old Crunch line and pretty accurate ratings.  Hifonics is better, but for a bargain system Blackmax could be a winner.  My #1 choice for low cost amps, though is still US Acoustics.

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Posted By: hookmeup2
Date Posted: May 09, 2004 at 7:32 PM
thanx





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