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Powering 2 Kicker CVR15's?

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Topic: Powering 2 Kicker CVR15's?

Posted By: mylar
Subject: Powering 2 Kicker CVR15's?
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 10:47 AM

I've got a generic amp that pushes 1000 watts at 4 ohms by 1 (bridged mode) or 500 watts at 2 ohms by 2 (stereo stable).... I've been looking into gettin 2 Kicker CVR15's... and they're rated at 500 watts RMS.. and it also says that the RMS rating is based on a 4 ohm load... but they are able to handle 2 ohms.. and I'm wondering if it'd be too much to push 500 watts at 2 ohms to 2 subs??? I was also looking at the frequency response, and the amp fits right inside the response range for the subs.... so besides the power problem, I think it'll work good... thanks



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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 11:38 AM

Well to get each down to two ohms, they would have to have dual 4 ohm voice coils.  That is unless they use a single 2 ohm voice coil, which is very unlikely. 

But if in fact the amp produces that much power, then you shouldn't have a problem.  That is as long as your gains are set right, and your enclosure isn't too large.  After all, power handling and efficiency are more a function of the enclosure than the driver.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 2:21 PM
Post the model #'s and brands of your gear please.

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Posted By: mylar
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 3:04 PM

Ya, the 2 CVR15s have dual 4 ohm coils... and the amp is a Legacy LA770.... at 2 ohms, what would the RMS be for the CVR15's?? Because if the RMS goes up, I might drop down to CVR12's instead of 15's... the CVR12s RMS is 400, so would the same amp be able to power the 12's at 2 ohms with out having to worry about blowing them??? thanks





Posted By: mylar
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 3:14 PM
Oh and about the enclosure, I'm gonna put them in a bandpass box.. and if its too big for my echo, then I'll probably put them in a sealed box (dont know what kind)...




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 6:45 PM
Throw the power spec of that amp out the window, is that a 20 amp fuse I saw in that amplifier? What size is the fuse?

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Posted By: mylar
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 8:08 PM
Ya, I think it's a 20 amp fuse... either that or a 30.... its packed away in its box (but its never been used)...




Posted By: casedeez
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 8:41 PM
Your looking at a pretty small amount of output for that amp then. One of my kicker amps has two 40 amp fuses and I get roughly 400 watts out of it. My opinion is that Legacy is not the amp to go with. Especially if you want to get the most out of your subs.




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 8:52 PM
Yup, that amp is closer to 50w rms per channel and 200w rms x 1. It is waaaaaay to small to properly power your subs. Wrong amp + right subs + right box = sss = buying new subs and new amp. posted_image Get yourself a proper amp now and the dreaded sss may not rear it's head and you will have good sound. Proper amp + right subs + right box = posted_image

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 8:57 PM

Ya that amp wont push anymore than 280 watts peak! at 100 percent efficiency.   So lets call it a very capable product that is basically only able to drive a blender posted_image.      Now you can make sum drinks, lol

But in all seriousness, before you spend all that money on those subs, and realize that you amp dosen't tickle them, you should send that thing back to e-bay, and pick up a real amp, it may cost more, but at least you will get what you wanted.



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Posted By: mylar
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 10:42 AM
WOW!!!! I've heard that the legacy is pretty crappy.... but what doesnt make sense, is that the specs say that it pushes 500 watts by 2 at 2ohms.... or bridged into 4 ohms it pushes 1000 watts by 1..... how can it say this stuff without it being true???




Posted By: mylar
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 10:47 AM
If I were to power the subs (with out having to worry about maxing them out, cause I want to make them last for a while).. what would be the best bang for the buck??? and I'm goin for some where between SPL..... and I'd like to push 2 ohms.... thanks




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 11:04 AM
How can they say that, thats easy. Cause they are liars and its not illegal. Technacly with the right voltage and the right frequencies you could, in theory make that amp produce those numbers for about a second before the thing melted down like three mile island. Thats why they are starting to phase in a specific set of paremeters that everyone must test their amps by. That is suposed to be set for 100% compliance buy 2006.

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Posted By: mylar
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 2:30 PM
What amp do you suggest that'd be the best bang for the buck w/out having to worry about over powering them??? I would prefer something that could push a 2ohm load steadily....




Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 4:10 PM
Maybe a JBL bp 1200.1. That might be too much for those comp vrs though.




Posted By: mylar
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 10:42 PM
what amp do you suggest to run 2 15" CVR's w/out having to worry about blowing or over powering?? I'm thinkin about droppin down to 2 12" CVR's... so what else would you suggest for the 12s??? -thanks




Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 14, 2004 at 12:36 AM
Actually, Ravendarat, you are right, it is not illegal, BUT they are not lying. The way they get away with it is this: They drive the amplifier with a 1kHz tone, from zero input signal to a maximum input signal, then back to zero input, in 100 milliseconds. This maximum input signal might be 20 volts, it might be 150 millivolts, it does not matter. While they are doing this, they are monitoring the output voltage, while tied to a VERY fixed 2 ohm resistor, (not a dynamic load, like a loudspeaker) with an oscilloscope. As long as it does not clip, (basically, as long as the distortion products remain below 10%) and most amps will not clip for periods this short, and the o-scope says that it is making 500 watts, then they CAN call it a 1000 watt amplifier. It is not outright lying, it is cheating, however. Oh, and this is done on only one channel at a time, which requires HALF the power supply stiffness as doing it with both channels at the same time. The spec sheet SHOULD read 500wpc, 1kHz tone burst, one channel driven into 2 ohms, THD <10%. But then nobody would buy the POS, would they? <LOL>

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Posted By: augydoggy
Date Posted: May 14, 2004 at 9:13 AM
My friend has a Pyramid amp that is supposedly 1000W bridged, 500W 2 channel. Its most definatly not. I would go look at Rocford Fosgate or Kicker amps, Pheonix is also good. For something a little less expensive I have a Power Acoustick amp thats pretty good.




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: May 14, 2004 at 9:56 AM
If you ignore the comment about the liar, isnt the rest of what you said basically a long version of what I was saying? I know that was what I meant to get across

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer




Posted By: alex75
Date Posted: May 14, 2004 at 10:18 AM
I made a similar error in judgement by attempting to power a Alpine R w/ a Lanzar Vibe amp.  Sure it says 600W RMS, more like 150W if that.  I think Legacy and Lanzar are both owned by the crapufactorer Pyramid anyway.  I did my sub a favor and brought it home a Rockford Fosgate Power 451 to play with.  It has never been happier!





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