Alpine Type-R or Infinity Kappa Perfect
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Topic: Alpine Type-R or Infinity Kappa Perfect
Posted By: ravenndude
Subject: Alpine Type-R or Infinity Kappa Perfect
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 5:55 PM
I'm looking for a new sub now since my MTX 6000 sh*t out on me. I've been looking at the Alpine Type-R 1221D (12" sub 2ohm DVC) for a while now, and someone told me that Infinity Kappa Perfect 12.1 (12" 4 ohms) They would each be hooked up to my current setup which is a RF 360.2 amp (360 watt RMS) at 4 ohms. As for the entire system i'm looking to get the perfect mixture of SQ and SPL ... basically a really loud SQ system. Right now i hvae 3-way Pioneer 6x9s in the deck and 3-way Pioneer 6.5s in the front doors each getting 45watts from an MTX 442 amp. The box for the sub is a foberglss on that i have built that has aproximitly i cu. ft. I've heard type-Rs ... but never in a SQ setup. A kid i know from school has three of them in his Imprezza and i can hear it from a quarter mile away. But i have never heard the Infinities, i've only heard about them.
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Posted By: Ketel22
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 6:09 PM
I think you would be satisfied with either of those subs with that power in a 1cuft sealed enclosure. ------------- Quad L Handyman services
Posted By: Pola_Trucos
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 6:27 PM
I have just made my custom box for my two alpine r 12's> It's a two chamber sealed box with 1cu. feet per chamber. All i can say is....... I love them!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 7:47 PM
Yea man. I've owned both, and they both sounded the same to me. But personally, I think the type r's hit just a tad harder. I had mine set up in sealed both times (type r's and perfects). Check them out if you want, but I dont think they are any different.
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Posted By: Ketel22
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 7:57 PM
what is going to make or break either sub is the box and the amp...both subs are almost equal but in different set-ups they will sound so different i have R-10's out preforming perfect 12's but that is only because of the amp and box.
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Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: May 10, 2004 at 10:34 PM
very true. good input Ketel
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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
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Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp
Posted By: markcars
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 10:40 AM
I have the type R 12" and did not have it setup right until now. Once I got the amp for the sub(ALpine MRD500) setup right, the sub sound great. Excellent spl and sq of which I really wanted the sq. Only pro's for it. No cons from me on this sub. Never heard the INfinity Kappa, although I have the entire Infinity setup in my home theater, and I love them too and want nothing else (maybe Bose someday when I can afford it!).
About the amp and the setup is very true. If the amp is not good or not setup right, the sub wont perform to its best. It's like putting racing-car wheels, but a poor engine. You need both!
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 10:54 AM
No Bose, Not a good Idea. No highs No Lows Must be Bose. Over priced door stops and paper weights.
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Posted By: Ketel22
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 12:19 PM
i think he was refering to home systems when he mentioned bose
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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 1:20 PM
so was I
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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 1:23 PM
The only thing bose has done in home stereo thats any good as far as I am concerened, is the old bose 901's and the Bose 3 2 1 system. That little system is an amazing feat of acoustical engineering as far as I am concerened. To be able to get full suround sound outta just 2 speakers and a sub, and be able to do it in just about any type of room, to me is amazing.
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Posted By: markcars
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 1:53 PM
Ravendarat, I think you misunderstood. The new bose speakers are not 2 spearker + sub. They are 5 channel Plus sub and they sound great. I went to a Bose demo a few weeks ago in Maine. I must say that it was not an inferior system at all. Highs, lows and mids were all superb. I don't think anyone would pay that much for something not worthwhile. Did you hear the Lifestyle 35 Home systems? Only positives. The only negative is the price! I love my infinity home system (I have the 1000 watt subwoofer) with the entire system but would still prefer the Bose. They also had a sub in cross section with plexiglass kind of substance so you could see what happens inside. It had little polysterene pellets (styrofoam) that showed teh wave pattern of the low frequencies as you turned down the bass frequency. Cool stuff. Even the way they did the demo was very cool. You got to see it to believe it. Me and my friends thought it was really cool. If I had the money, I would have bought one right then.
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 2:06 PM
No I think you missunderstood me. I sell bose systems so I have heard almost all of them. The 3 2 1 system is a base unit with two speakers and a sub that gives you full suround sound that is really quite amazing. As for all the other systems they make I think they are overpriced garbage. I truly hate the sound of them with a passion. As I said before, No Highs No Lows Must be Bose. The tower speakers have become nice plant stands and thats it, and I think that the cubes, while pretty amazing for the size, are severly overpriced. I sell Athena Speakers as well and for the price of the acoustimas ten system I can get a set of Front Towers, Rear Book shelf, matching center channel and a ten inch matching sub that expose the bose for what they are. A status symbol with only one purpose. People who want surround sound but are unwilling or unable to give up any space in their house. I had to help a customer out on Sunday because all the salesman were busy and he wanted to hear a set of 601 towers. He came in decided on these towers so I let him buy them but I felt dirty the rest of the day. Not dirty like I need a shower but dirty like I need to go to church to confess. As you can tell I am not a bose fan what so ever, and its not for lack of knowleadge. I have been dealing with home and car audio for 5 years, worked for 2 seperate companies and have sold probally between 15-20 different companies including Infinity, polk, jbl, bose, Cerwin Vega, Athena, AR, and Dalhiquest and I can honestly say that even though I tried to liek them I just cant recomend bose to anyone who isnt deaf.
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Posted By: markcars
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 3:55 PM
Ravendarat wrote:
I truly hate the sound of them with a passion. As I said before, No Highs No Lows Must be Bose.
Wonder what makes you hate them so much. Are they really that bad? I had a quite a few people who thought these were great systems. Well you have a right to your opinions too.
Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 4:19 PM
Ravendarat wrote:
No I think you missunderstood me. I sell bose systems so I have heard almost all of them. The 3 2 1 system is a base unit with two speakers and a sub that gives you full suround sound that is really quite amazing. As for all the other systems they make I think they are overpriced garbage. I truly hate the sound of them with a passion. As I said before, No Highs No Lows Must be Bose. The tower speakers have become nice plant stands and thats it, and I think that the cubes, while pretty amazing for the size, are severly overpriced. I sell Athena Speakers as well and for the price of the acoustimas ten system I can get a set of Front Towers, Rear Book shelf, matching center channel and a ten inch matching sub that expose the bose for what they are. A status symbol with only one purpose. People who want surround sound but are unwilling or unable to give up any space in their house. I had to help a customer out on Sunday because all the salesman were busy and he wanted to hear a set of 601 towers. He came in decided on these towers so I let him buy them but I felt dirty the rest of the day. Not dirty like I need a shower but dirty like I need to go to church to confess. As you can tell I am not a bose fan what so ever, and its not for lack of knowleadge. I have been dealing with home and car audio for 5 years, worked for 2 seperate companies and have sold probally between 15-20 different companies including Infinity, polk, jbl, bose, Cerwin Vega, Athena, AR, and Dalhiquest and I can honestly say that even though I tried to liek them I just cant recomend bose to anyone who isnt deaf.
I AGREE!!!! no highs no lows must be bose is true. I mean come on, they all paper drivers in their cube speakers and in walls and pretty much everything else they make besides their tower speakers. when you buy bose you pay for the name. If you want some good speakers that are cheap look at B&W (I own a pair of their bookshelf speakers and they are great), Paradigm, Athena, and Infinity just to name a few. All of these brands could blow bose out the window. You may think bose sounds good at the store but im sure you would change your mind if you took your infinity speakers (or any other similarily priced good speakers) and compared them to a bose lifestyle system the bose would sound like tin cans. markcars I would definitely stay with your Infinity system.
Posted By: markcars
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 9:00 PM
hey customsuburb, you really make me feel good about having my Infinity system. I just love it but till today was hoping to buy the Bose when I can afford to save a few more (lot more really) dollars. I have a complete Infinity system with powered speakers, sub of 1000 watts that I can never put even at 5% its capacity without annoying people. Now after reading your post, I think I am the happiest man in my building if not in New York! I am staying with Infinity. How about the car scenario? Are they(bose) good at car speakers? I have a friend who has a factory system in a special edition 2 door Acura. He says he thinks his system is the best(best being objective). Are bose not any good in the car arena as well? Would be good to know.
Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 9:18 PM
Bose car speakers are just a step above oem. You alpine car system could blow away your friends bose system as well. Take a look at these bose speakers from an RSX (I think). I think they look like regular oem speakers to me (and sound like them).
Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 9:19 PM
Bose - no highs - no lows - must be Bose. If your friend is up for a little experiment and does not mind the extreme amounts of either anger or tears that will be shed, have him pull apart the door speakers and pull out the bottom of the line paper cone doorstops with dinky little amplifiers to make them operate. Bose builds the amps for these systems and uses bottom feeder paper cone speakers with stamped steel baskets in most cases. You should have seen what came out of the new Mazda RX8 and Acura RSX we just worked on, garbage at it's finest. Just because a "name" that is highly recognized in whatever arena it is familiar from does not mean that it is a star in the car audio world. Bose has contracts with the vehicle manufacturers, one day they hopefully will come to an end. Here is what to do when confronted with Bose. Put on rubber gloves. Lift lid on trash can, carefully pick up Bose equipment, put on driveway, drive over with as large a vehicle as possible, burn the ashes, place in trash can, replace lid. Be carefull that no item tries to make a break for it. The same practice goes for factory JBL / Infinity systems. They have no place in the real car audio marketplace. Ever wondered why you cannot buy Bose car audio on stores or why the stores do not sell the same factory gear as found in the stock vehicle, even though you just paid $4000.00 for the stereo upgrade? Dude I could go off here, like totally, but I'll bite my tongue a little. As far as the home audio goes, if you take that Bose system and compare it to a true audio system, you will hear a drastic difference in sound performance any day of the week. Bose is usually sold all on its own where it cannot be compared to others, part of how the brand is marketed. Bose is a name that is now synonimous with being a "upper end" audio system when the fact is it has always been far from it. Those old Bose 901's, if they sounded so damn good, then why did you have to buy the Bose eq to go with them? Because that was the only way you could get somewhat respectable sound out of them. Bose = garbage, hell I like Sony more than Bose and I can't stand Sony.
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Posted By: markcars
Date Posted: May 11, 2004 at 9:45 PM
Well I have ALL Alpine (literally all except the cables which I paid nearly $300 for three pairs of RCA's) in my vehicle. Just was wondering if bose was better. I won't change my setup if that is the case. I was wondering why in the hell I could not find Bose aftermarket speakers and amps. Short and to the point, I am keeping my setup. So back to the original poster's question, which is better, Alpine Type-R or Infinity Kappa?
Posted By: ravenndude
Date Posted: May 12, 2004 at 2:10 PM
yes please ... back to the origional question.
Posted By: thepebble
Date Posted: May 12, 2004 at 4:32 PM
I have owned and heard both the type r and the perfect, and I can tell you that both subs are tight they both pounded and they both sounded great! the difference I heard between them was the infinity sounded slightly better and the type R was slightly louder either way you cannot go wrong g'luck
Posted By: djMINIoompa
Date Posted: May 12, 2004 at 7:07 PM
i have heard one 12" type R side by side with a 12" Perfect series. Grant it that the boxes and amps were not the same, but the type R was louder and hit harder, however i felt the Perferts were alot cleaner. They seemed to just blow the alpines in SQ but not in SPL. I am not saying the alpines have bad SQ because they were good. Good but not great. If you are going for SQ and SPL, i would go with the Type R just becase of the large advantage over the Perfects in SPL.
Posted By: ravenndude
Date Posted: May 12, 2004 at 8:43 PM
i'm thinking about the Perfects since right now i can get them for cheaper than the type-Rs
Posted By: Ketel22
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 3:47 AM
Perfects cheaper than the type R thats something new to me.
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Posted By: ravenndude
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 8:11 AM
what can i say ... i can find good deals. It is slightly used though
Posted By: markcars
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 11:59 AM
If you're getting them off ebay, just be a little careful. I got nabbed badly once. Sometimes, items look new but are sold due to some latent defect (and I am not talking about refurbished items either). Hopefully you're luckier than me.
Posted By: Steve West
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 1:51 PM
Nah nah go for the Perfects! SPL is fine on them. Ive heard a 12" Type R driven by 500w Alpine amp and im using a 582w RF amp to power my perfect and id say theres nothing in em SPL wise. SQ though is way up with the Perfects it stupid. There's no competition in SQ which is what u really want coz both will go louder than u need anyway. Besides the Type R's look cheap!
Posted By: markcars
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 2:39 PM
Steve West, have you tried your 582w RF amp with the 12" type R? Just wondering if your amp is better than Alpine's. If type R sounds better with your 582w RF amp, then the amp is definitely better. Also did you get a chance to test the Type R on both amps and see if it performed better with one over the other? I don't have the means to do that test as I don't know anyone personally who has a Kappa, although now that you mention how it is better than the Type R, I think I will start looking to change my speakers and Amp for it. I hope I am not making a mistake.
Posted By: markcars
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 2:41 PM
ravenndude wrote:
what can i say ... i can find good deals. It is slightly used though
How can we find those deals as well? Any suggestions? Google?
Posted By: ravenndude
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 4:00 PM
markcars wrote:
ravenndude wrote:
what can i say ... i can find good deals. It is slightly used though
How can we find those deals as well? Any suggestions? Google?
google is a great place to start. At the moment IkesSound has a couple 12.1s for $100 plus shipping on ebay. Remember, ebay isn't just for used stuff, a lot of stores use it for their checkout and stores use it to get rid of demo products. another thing is froogle ---> https://www.froogle.com it's the same thing as google, but it on;y searches stuff that is for sale. Also know HOW to actually search is a great thing. If you are looking for a certain model type this in for ebay ... Alpine +"SWR-1221D" ... if you aren't sure of the model you can look it up. Or if you jsut want subs from alpine do ... Alpine +(sub,subwoofer) ... the (word,word2) is an or statement. so its looking for Alpine +sub or Alpine +subwoofer.
Posted By: ravenndude
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 4:03 PM
ravenndude wrote:
At the moment IkesSound has a couple 12.1s for $100 plus shipping on ebay
i was wrong ... those are the SWR-1221D type-Rs
Posted By: Steve West
Date Posted: May 14, 2004 at 11:41 AM
Hey, ( u can call me Steve by the way ) Nah i didn't have the chance to play around with the amps and stuff as it was in someone elses car. The Amp was also a Mono amp and mines class A/B so yeah theres more than one difference that could have lead to the SQ difference.
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