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Topic: Amp turning its self down?

Posted By: T.Hill
Subject: Amp turning its self down?
Date Posted: May 26, 2004 at 9:21 PM

I have a MA Audio 5011x mono amp running a pair of 12" Punch HX2's. My problem is every so often the sub output will decrease about half and then return to full volume whenever it feels the need( usually about 30 to 60 seconds). I thought it was a bad connection so I checked all of those. Then I thought it might be getting too hot. I checked the onboard temp readout and it read 116 degrees. I went and bought a 3" 12v fan from RadioShack, but before I got it installed the amp did the same thing early in the morning when the amp was about 78 degrees. Could it be the amp itself or the remote bass control?

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Posted By: fuseblower
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 10:41 AM
It could be different issues.  If your amp gets low for a minute it could be your power suplly going to it.  Your car battery and alternator may not be supplying enough juice.  This would cause your amp to reduce power and than pic back up after it readjusts itself.  You may also have a bown voice coil if you have dual voice coild.




Posted By: Manoftools
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 11:02 AM
Play some music and put a multimeter on the amp.  If the reading drops below 12 volts or comes very close to it, then your amp is not getting enough power.  I have also seen this happen when the RCA outputs from your radio are going bad.




Posted By: T.Hill
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 11:11 AM
I have a 1 farad cap right next to the amp. Both the amp and the cap have digital volt readout's adn they both read about 13.8v when the truck is in park and 14.3v when driving( I had a friend climb back there and check since I was driving). The rca i'm getting to run the sub amp are coming from a LOC which is hooked up from the stock sub wires. Is there a way to check to see if all of my voice coils are ok? Like doing the AA battery test to the speaker leads?

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Posted By: fuseblower
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 12:39 PM
It is very hard to check a coil on an amp unless it is tottally blown.  If the coil is weak it may be shutting down your system when it hits the bad section while playing.  You may be able to check the coil by hooking a voltameter to your sub and lightly pushing on the cone to see if it changes the ohm.




Posted By: BangBang
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 12:47 PM

Its  kind of hard to tell what the problem in your situation.

This has never happend to me in the past year that i have owned a sound system so i'm not sure what to tell you.

But you should go over your wires and make sure that your power wire is not hot,
or the plastic around is not hot where you can easily bend the wire.

go over your wiring. If everything is good. then do what fuseblower is advising.

Good LuCk!





Posted By: T.Hill
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 2:19 PM
Fuseblower, I have a voltmeter but have no idea on what to set the setting on to try what you say.

I went to 3 local shops today and one wanted me to leave my truck with them at $40 an hour for an undisclosed amount of time to "try " and find the problem. 2nd one wanted me to take out the amp and ahve them bench it. I may try what the 3rd said to do which is to disconnect one sub and play my system like normal to see if it still does it. If not then hook up the other sub by itself and try again. Hopefully it will do it then that way I know its one of the subs. Otherwise I'll take the amp in and have it benched. I'll try what fuseblower said to do first though.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 2:38 PM

Yes, you have one of those hard to find problems that could be anything from the very simple (like the decrease in SPL corresponding to the air conditioning coming on) to the not very pretty (like a voice coil gone or partially gone or the amplifier having thermal breakdown problems.)  First make sure there are no parasitic loads on the elctrical system like A/C that might be causing the problem.  Then try by process of elimination.  Are your power and ground wires getting hot?  If so, you need a higher gage.  This is an unlikely source for the problem, but it is possible the amplifier's power is being limited by cable resistance.  Disconnect your cap and see if the problem gets worse or better.  If better, you have a bad cap.  If worse, the cap was not the problem.  Try running only one sub for a while and then the other one and see if it is related to one of the subs.  If the amp was getting hot and then you cooled it, but the problem did not change, then it is most likely not the amplifier shutting down, but it still could be.  Try a different LOC as they are notorious for being shaky.

Having the amp bench tested will at least tell you if it is OK.  Mightrt be worth the expense in any case.



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Posted By: T.Hill
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 2:46 PM
Thanks Dyohn, nobody have said to check the cap yet. It hasn't been very how here so I haven't used the A/C yet. It happens during the day when the headlights are off and at night when they are on. I did notice it once when I hit the brakes it made the volume go back to normal, but I haven't been able to do that again. I'm off tomorrow so I will try the subs by themselves and try the cap thing to see what happens. Thanks again for the help everyone. I'll get back to once I try everything.

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Posted By: T.Hill
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 2:52 PM
One more thing, I have noticed that when the engine is running with the truck parked and the system is playing at full volume that the voltage readouts drop to 11.9v on normal music, but down to 11.5v on a spl test disc I have. Are those levels low enough to cause some problems?

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Posted By: T.Hill
Date Posted: June 01, 2004 at 12:33 PM
Something new I have just discovered is that I have a kinda popping noise coming from one sub. I thought it might be tinsel lead slap so I checked it and sure enough it is. I've searched on here to find some posts to help me out but they didn't help me any. Could this be affecting the load that the amp sees from this sub making the amp lower output? I've checked the other sub and it is working fine. What's the safest way to fix the tinsel lead?

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Posted By: fuseblower
Date Posted: June 01, 2004 at 6:58 PM

That's a hard question about repairing the tensel.  The tensel lead is probably hitting on the chasis of your sub causing it to go into partial protection causing it to play low.  Once the amp thinks everything is ok your amp returns to normal mode and plays loud again.  You will want to correct the tinsel lead problem because everytime it causes your amp to go into protection mode it weakens the amp.  You can try putting tape on you sub chasis to keep it from shorting if that is what cut the lead.  Other than that you might want to get a new sub or a new set of subs.  Sounds like the amp may be pushing the subs beyond there limit or you can be giving them to high levels of distortion causing them to lose control and bounce too much.





Posted By: T.Hill
Date Posted: June 01, 2004 at 9:46 PM
I took the sub out of the box and played that sub only while watching the leads. The sound went away when I pushed the leads down towards the spider right by the speaker connections. The amp was still playing at full power while I did this. There is a place here in town that repairs speakers that I can take my sub to. As far as the power issue, my amp is rated at 1000w @ 1ohm and that is how I have subs wired. The amp is rated at 1.0% thd at 1ohm. As far as I know, that's within reason. My subs are rated a 500w a piece so I thought they were a good match for eachother.

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Posted By: waracing
Date Posted: June 02, 2004 at 5:14 AM
I had the same problem, it was the earthing. check all earthing. the wire may seem good but it is not the wire it is were it is going. CHeck your main earthing on your battery and you amp earthing.

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Posted By: cd2478
Date Posted: June 02, 2004 at 7:47 AM
yes.




Posted By: T.Hill
Date Posted: June 04, 2004 at 3:25 AM
By "earthing" do you mean ground? If so I have checked those. One sub has worked the glue that attaches one tinsel lead to the cone (or voice coil) loose. I'm having it fixed tomorrow. If this doesn't help I'm having the amp benched.

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Posted By: fuseblower
Date Posted: June 04, 2004 at 7:47 AM

T.Hill I was doing a little research on MA Audio and I am not sure about the power ratings.  I tried to find out a little about the transistors used in the amps but couldn't find anything.  A good way sometimes to determine what your amp can actually do is by looking at the amount of fuses and there ampre ratings.  Your amp may say 1,000 watts but this may not be the case, you might be seeing 800 watts and the distortion level may be a little skewed.  I am thinking this because I remembered a company a while back that was comparable to pyramid.  This is the same company that makes your amplifier, I am not saying that it is not a good amp but I wanted just wanted you to be aware.  Just for anyone that does not know MA Audio is Mobile Authority under a different name.





Posted By: T.Hill
Date Posted: June 05, 2004 at 11:21 AM
Are you sure? I have heard people say that and then other people say they aren't the same company. Does anybody out there have a master list as to what companies are the same but just labeled and packaged differet?

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