basic tutorial sites
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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Topic: basic tutorial sites
Posted By: soup
Subject: basic tutorial sites
Date Posted: July 06, 2004 at 9:11 PM
Hey guys, i just got a job at A&B Sound in sales, and I have always been into car audio, but very biased as far as brands go, and technical aspects. I am wondering if anyone knows of some real good basic tutorial sites that I can through to learn as much as I can. The information on here is more than helpfull for technical, but I am hoping to find some stuff that is more brand specifics. Where some brands excell, and others fail.
I don't start till next week, and I don't want to start with just basic knowledge of car audio.
Thanks guys!
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Posted By: spokman
Date Posted: July 06, 2004 at 9:36 PM
Salesman end up selling whatever the customer wants anyways..
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: July 06, 2004 at 9:37 PM
Looks like you've been around this site for awhile, but you think there is not brand-specific info here? I think there's much more in the way of brands than technical on this forum. As far as your question goes, there is no such site. Brand bias exists with everyone, even those who maintain a web site or write articles for magazines. There is no better way to get a feel for the car audio world and its brands than to read through the posts on this forum. We get more good traffic here than any forum I've visited, and much more intelligent (but readable, not snobby) discussion. You can't just skim the thread titles, though. So... start reading! Good luck in your new job, but please be mindful of this: in audio, quality is in the ear of the beholder. ------------- Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: July 06, 2004 at 10:53 PM
I think https://www.bcae1.com is a must read. It certainly dispelled some myths for me and helped me understand the reason behind many 'rules' of car audio. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: soup
Date Posted: July 07, 2004 at 12:17 AM
stevdart wrote:
Looks like you've been around this site for awhile, but you think there is not brand-specific info here? I think there's much more in the way of brands than technical on this forum. As far as your question goes, there is no such site. Brand bias exists with everyone, even those who maintain a web site or write articles for magazines. There is no better way to get a feel for the car audio world and its brands than to read through the posts on this forum. We get more good traffic here than any forum I've visited, and much more intelligent (but readable, not snobby) discussion. You can't just skim the thread titles, though. So... start reading! Good luck in your new job, but please be mindful of this: in audio, quality is in the ear of the beholder.
I definately realise that as far as how a system will sound, depends on the person. What sounds great to one person, sounds like crap to another... I wasnt really looking for any info as far as that goes, but rather just stuff like.. How stable are the power supplies are Zapco amps compared to Macintosh... What common problems are associatied with what brand... stuff like that.. I know that to get in depth into that stuff would take years, because ever new line, every brand, and every product, has their faults, but I was hoping there was some good must reads out there. I have been on this site for quite a while, but only in the fiberglassing section. I think I have only 2 posts under car audio here. I have been reading for a few hours on here, and the ingo is amazing. I was expecting a lot more opinions, but most people seem to be respectfull of the fact that everyone has different tastes as far as what sounds good. I was also hoping to find info on stuff such as, which brands are leaning more towards SPL, and which are more towards SQ. The newer shallow depth subs that a lot of companies are commingo ut with, how are they holding up? Are they way underpowered... I have 100's of qustions like these, and I knwo they will come with time, and from reading... just hoping to get a fist full of info before I start. So I am not sure if the answer is still the same, but is there any sites out there with some good info as far as that goes? What about some magazines, what are some great, not brand specific, magazines.
Posted By: soup
Date Posted: July 07, 2004 at 12:19 AM
kfr01] wrote:
p>I think https://www.bcae1.com is a must read. It certainly dispelled some myths for me and helped me understand the reason behind many 'rules' of car audio.
thanks man, ill def check it out
Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: July 08, 2004 at 4:15 PM
As a former employee of Albert & Bob's I'll be glad to help you out should you need questions answered (as long as it is not in my stores trading area - then I will sink your best attempts). What store are you at? There are many great brands in the marketplace today and sadly there is no one brand is best. There are specific applications that some of us who have been at this for awhile know will work and what kind of reasonable outcome can be expected. By the same token we can also dismiss some of the requests as well. There is no substitute for learning how to do this properly. A&B Sound is a good tool for learning how to sell with the products they have available to them. Your shortfall is the fact that at some point in time, you will be faced with a customer that regardless of the great lines you sell, you may not have the proper solution for them. Do not sell them second best, as much as you will be trained to get the deal and earn your commission, you will go way further in this industry by understanding how to earn a customers respect properly. Treat a customer good, give them accurrate and informed information and build a relationship with them. My valued customers have followed me for almost 16 years now. If you need the info to do your job properly, post it here and some of the guys will be glad to help you out. ------------- Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.
Posted By: sandt38
Date Posted: July 08, 2004 at 9:56 PM
Here is a thread I began years ago
Some of the tutorial links are old and outdated, but most of them are still there and functional. There are akmost 100 tutorials listed there. I like BCAE best, but it is huge. www.diysubwoofers.org is a fantastic site as well, but it primarily focuses on subwoofer systems. -------------
Posted By: soup
Date Posted: July 11, 2004 at 8:19 PM
forbidden wrote:
As a former employee of Albert & Bob's I'll be glad to help you out should you need questions answered (as long as it is not in my stores trading area - then I will sink your best attempts). What store are you at? There are many great brands in the marketplace today and sadly there is no one brand is best. There are specific applications that some of us who have been at this for awhile know will work and what kind of reasonable outcome can be expected. By the same token we can also dismiss some of the requests as well. There is no substitute for learning how to do this properly. A&B Sound is a good tool for learning how to sell with the products they have available to them. Your shortfall is the fact that at some point in time, you will be faced with a customer that regardless of the great lines you sell, you may not have the proper solution for them. Do not sell them second best, as much as you will be trained to get the deal and earn your commission, you will go way further in this industry by understanding how to earn a customers respect properly. Treat a customer good, give them accurrate and informed information and build a relationship with them. My valued customers have followed me for almost 16 years now. If you need the info to do your job properly, post it here and some of the guys will be glad to help you out.
Hey, I am at the Saskatoon A and B
Basically what I am hoping to find, is jsut certain areas companys excel at. I used to be in to car audio, and new lines about 4 or so years ago... when the autoPC Clarion came out... but then, I put my attention elsewhere, and bought a whole crap load of rockford stuff. For the price, I have always found it to be the best... so that is all that I ever paid attention too. I know Rockford's line real well, and where they excel, and where they would be terrible. But for other lines, I am completely oblivious. Right now, I have no idea how to match a certain brand to a customers wants. That is what I am hoping to accomplish. Right now, I am not even 100 percent sure of what lines a and b sells. I know they sell JL, and Eclipse which is awesome. I know quite a bit about JL. Eclipse not so much. MTX I have always been a fan of, so I am somewhat familiar with them, but I have always just paid attention to their 10".. I know a few years back, (cant remember the model now) but they had a 10" that was the prefect balance of SQ and SPL as far as I was concerned (I know.. 10" and SPL don't usually go, but throw 3 10" mtx on a zapco (650? like i said its been a while)... I always loved that set up.
Components as well. All I ever hear about is subs amps and decks.. so I am not too familiar with mids/tweets/midbass.. whatever. Where would a three way be better than a component and crossover?
These are the type of things I am hoping to find out.
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: July 11, 2004 at 8:42 PM
A consumer can get information-overload real quick. You'll see it happening when their eyes glaze over. You should just relax and look forward to working into the group harmonics there at the store. You probably know too much as it is already. I've been a consumer for many years (help...I've fallen...), and when it comes to electronics, I just want sales help who is interested in my needs and available to help. They help, answer (or go look up an answer to) my questions, and they make a good sale and everybody's happy. Too often I run across ones who start rattling off information I didn't specifically ask for. That makes me run...to the internet.
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Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: July 12, 2004 at 3:20 AM
In the spirit of stevdart's post, from a consumer's point of view, I have a few items on my wish list for audio sales people. 1) Respect my taste in music. Nothing will make me walk out faster than turning your nose up at my music. Learn what ranges of sound are important for various kinds of music.
2) Tell me WHY you like a component better if I ask. Not just, "I like brand X"
3) Help me COMPARE different solutions and components. (anyone can read the frickin box specs)
4) Don't act annoyed when I ask you to A/B test something again.
5) Don't play games to upsell me. (putting more expensive speakers on a different amp, trying to mess with the bass eq, etc.) I actually saw a guy add +6db to the bass boost and then had the gall to say, "strong midbass on these speakers, huh?"
6) Don't assume I can't spend money just because I happen to be dressed in jeans that day (more for home audio stores)
7) Do your research on general audio concepts. (congrats to you, soup) I enjoy supporting local and small business, but I will gladly give an online retailer my money if the salesperson makes dumb-ass statements. i.e. "you can't run quart's with less than 150 watts, you may as well use your head unit power" Buh bye.
8) Don't assume I give a rat's ass how something looks. In other words, feel your customer out. Chrome on subwoofers and moving pictures on head units don't impress everyone. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
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