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Topic: what amp to buy?

Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Subject: what amp to buy?
Date Posted: August 19, 2004 at 6:01 PM

I just bought a JVC KD-S10 180w head unit... And (2) 10" 800 watt sony xplod subs. I drive a '87 Buick century. And I already baught a head unit install kit, so it will fit. What wiring will I need? i plan to use the stock speakers for now till more money arrives... and I do not have an amp yet, but i am trying to buy the little stuff before the amp, and enclosures... can anyone help me on what amp to buy? i dont have much money to spend on an amp, maybe like 150 bucks? what wiring will i need, and all... Thnx =)



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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 19, 2004 at 6:10 PM
one more question, does sony actually give out the right info on the sub wattage? or is it complete BS like pyramid, pyle, legacy, etc... ? good quality subs?




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: August 19, 2004 at 6:17 PM
Most of the wattage claims that you read are absolute outright lies. Like the 180w claim on your cd player, another stretch of the truth. You will need an amplfiier wiring kit. The size of the kit will be determined by the size of the amplifier, which in turn will be determined by the subs that you have. Post the model# of the subs you have or the RMS power rating and impedence. Then we can recommend an amp for you to consider. As far as the subs go, if you are happy with them that is all that counts.

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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 19, 2004 at 8:24 PM

the model numba is...XS-L1037...





Posted By: heavilymedicate
Date Posted: August 19, 2004 at 9:00 PM
I found no modle with that number, anywere.  I used to have a 87 Buick Century, i loved that car (my first).  You need to decide how much you want to spend overall so we have an idea what to recomend.  What are your future plans?  Just upgrade the rest of the stock speakers and let it be?  Leave em stock?  Your not spending alot on your other components so I dont think spending 500 on a sub amp makes sence for you.  And its not a nock, you get what you can afford and enjoy your hobby, or whatever you consider it.  So, how much ya got sucka!  posted_image




Posted By: heavilymedicate
Date Posted: August 19, 2004 at 9:12 PM

Ok, sorry, 150, right...  I think your in this territory....  https://www.cardomain.com/item/POWOV4800

https://www.cardomain.com/item/POWLT9604

https://www.cardomain.com/item/COU321QE

https://www.cardomain.com/item/BOSRT745

I like that last one because it comes with a remote bass control, so you can adjust the level of the bass from the front seat.  Also its 4 channel, so if you ugrade the speakers in the cabin and decide you want more power, just buy a new sub amp and use the old one to run the cabin speakers, or run the subs off two channels bridged and run the cabin off the other two.  Yes, i know its a BOSS, right, but you only got 150!  Buy the install kit from Wall Mart and buy the one with 8 gauge power(or bigger, the cost difference is like 10), you dont need it but you will be able to upgrade later without doing it all over again.  I highly recomend replacing the cabin speakers upfront. Have fun.





Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 19, 2004 at 9:25 PM

1)  Max wattage ratings mean nothing.  Look at RMS.  Even then only take RMS numbers semi-seriously.  You don't need to match ratings exactly. 

I'd purchase a quality amp at a discount from ebay before paying anywhere over $100 for the likes of BOSS or Power Acoustic.

Try this Alpine:  https://cgi.ebay.com/dll?ViewItem&category=18797&item=5715696328&tc=photo

This HIFONICS:  https://cgi.ebay.com/dll?ViewItem&category=18797&item=5715697050&tc=photo

This MTX:   https://cgi.ebay.com/dll?ViewItem&category=39742&item=5716049848&tc=photo

This Xtant:   https://cgi.ebay.com/dll?ViewItem&category=64573&item=5715044762&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

All these brands are much higher quality than either Boss or PA. 



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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 19, 2004 at 10:48 PM
are those 2 channel? ... or wat?. .. i dont kno what rms means... but are those amps powerfull? if i had one of those, and 2 800 watt xplods... will it bump?




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 12:33 AM

See: https://www.audiovideo101.com/dictionary/dictionary.asp?dictionaryid=378

Then read:  https://www.bcae1.com/speakrat.htm

Your Sony subs are not 800 watts rms.  Probably less than 1/2 that.  300 watts is actually quite a lot of power.

Post you sub models and we can help more.



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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 2:06 AM

well hmmm hold up lemme get da box...on the box it sais... xs-l1037 ... lemme look at the back of the sub... hold up... on the back, once again... it sais XS-L1037... PEAK POWER: 800w...

Frequency Response: 25Hz-2800Hz

RATED POWER: 200w

IMPENDANCE: 4 (lil horseshoe deally, lol)

then ya, thats all it sais... help?





Posted By: padawan
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 9:37 AM
They are 200W RMS then, get a mono (1-channel) amp that does somewhere from 300W-400W RMS X 1 @ 2-ohms...Wire ur two Sony subs like this:

https://www.jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/#2svcp

I would suggest the JBL GTO 301.1 amplifier, can be had on ebay for about $130...It's 300WRMS X 1 @ 2-ohms, which will give each one of ur Sony's 150W rms of clean power, will be enough to make them hit hard...




Posted By: padawan
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 9:43 AM
Look here:

JBL GTO 301.1 on Ebay

You will also need an 8 Guage amp wiring kit, that's all you will need, you can use 4 Guage if u want to have a thicker set of wiring already in place in case u upgrade in the future....But 8 is enough for that amp.

Something like this:

8 Guage Amp Kit




Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 10:21 AM
i dont understand this... https://www.jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/#2svcp  ... at all... lol? explain wtf that means...




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 12:06 PM

Here is how to wire two 4 ohm subs in a parallel circuit. This wire method will be used if you purchase a mono sub amplifier that is designed to operate at 2 or 1 ohms.

posted_image

Like was recommended above, an amplifier with between 300 - 500 w rms @ 12volts at 2 ohms mono would be a good amplifier. Here are some to consider, there is many more. Look at these two and then you can get an idea of what you might need.

Concept CA525m     www.conceptconcept.com

Lightning Audio B2.350.1      www.lightningaudio.com



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Posted By: heavilymedicate
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 12:35 PM

You only need to pay attention to the part that talks about SVC subs.  It is just showing wiring options, you dont even have an amp yet so no much to worry about.  Look, do you want a amp to run the subs and just the subs, with no option of running anything but the subs?  Then pick a mono (one channel) subwoofer amp (the alpine, hifonics,xtant on the other page or the JBL on this one) *note: while i am aware of ebay and the great deals that can be had, i also hear the more-then-occasional heartbreak of someone who does not get what they expected*.  Or do a search with a reputable company like SoundDomain or Crutchfield, you'll spend more with these but you'll likely get better support/return and no surprises.

I still cannot find info on those subs.  "if i had one of those, and 2 800 watt xplods... will it bump?"  Yeah... Maybe... you need to build a good box that is 1. Solid   2.  The right airspace for your subs.  Porting your subs is way cool!  Unless you do it wrong, then you just have a hole with a tube in your box. When it comes to porting: if you dont know what your doing-dont do it.   Your manual should have a few box diagrams (usually a ported one is included), they will be simple, but nothing is wrong with simple.  If you load your car down with enough Plexiglas, neon, and fiberglass to make the bumper drag your still not going to have a good sounding system if your box is not  1 & 2.  Any of the amps on either of these pages will make  your system bump if you have the right box and set up everything correctly.

Go here to learn more https://www.jlaudio.com/tutorials/index.html  or look to the left and read the menu.





Posted By: padawan
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 1:07 PM
Explain what it means, what the hell, it's a URL, go there and see for yourself what it is....damm gotta spoonfeed everybody on the web nowadays, here u go: Click Here to see how wire your two 4-ohm single voice coil subs in parallel to get a final 2-ohm load!

And I can vouch for the ebay link i suggested with the JBL amp, i have bought from them many times, everything is new and u get it fast, no problems there...only thing beter about buying from a shop or high priced website is if they offer a good warranty, otherwise save a few bucks and buy it off of ebay...




Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 2:10 PM
i am gunna buy the enclosures... i dont want to try and make them... but im on a budget... =/  should i just buy 2 cheap boxes at walmart? i can get 2 for 50 bucks...




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 2:23 PM

/agree with padawan. 

I'm sure you understood SOME of what was on that page.  It was written in english, right?  Help us help you.  If you're going to ask for help, read the links sent by other members and try to figure them out.  Then ask specific questions about what you don't understand or, if you don't know what questions to ask, post the extent of your understanding and we can help you flesh it out.  Doing things this way is much more productive for everybody.  Who knows, you might actually learn something. 

I'm sorry if this post sounded flippant or rude, but one of my pet peeves is when people take the time out of their day to help by digging up a link or two and the new member doesn't even try to do some research on his own. 



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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 2:45 PM
i did dude... just didnt understand wich one i was suposed to look at... there was a list of like 10... but i understand it now... now answer my Q...




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 3:04 PM

Here:  https://www.bcae1.com/spboxnew2.htm

Once you're done reading that go to walmart and see if:
1)  The boxes are the correct size for your subwoofers and
2)  The boxes are generally of a build quality that article recommends

If they are, buy them.  If they aren't, don't.

A larger selection of subwoofer boxes can be found here:
https://www.sounddomain.com/



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Posted By: padawan
Date Posted: August 20, 2004 at 5:45 PM
Grab a "Bigdogaudio" sealed box on ebay, great boxes and super cheap...check him out.

Dual 10 Sealed Enclosure




Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 12:19 AM
would me gettin a .66 cubic foot box, close enough to the suggested .70 cubic foot box that it sais on the papers that came with my subs...?




Posted By: padawan
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 8:51 AM




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 10:46 AM

.66 would work fine.  It is easy to go slightly smaller than recommended because you can always put a bit of acoustic stuffing in to make the box behave like a slightly larger enclosure.  Being 'right on' is more important for ported and bandpass applications.  Sealed boxes are more forgiving.



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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 11:15 AM
ok... i got my head unit installed yesterday... i have my 2 subs... i ordered an 8 gauge amp wiring kit... i ordered an enclosure... all i need now is an amp... hmmmm




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 12:58 PM
Like forbidden said, look for a mono 300w + RMS at 2ohms.  Post a few links up and we'll tell you what we think.  

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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 3:44 PM
it specifically sais DONT use a mono amp to hook up two subs in the instructions... why buy a mono? when there is a 2 channel? sumone post a link to a sub under 150... 2 channel... i am not doing no mono...




Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 3:54 PM
MONO AMPS ARE FINE FOR SUBS!!!! A 2 channel amp can power a sub (or two, depending on if your subs are DVC or SVC and the impedance of them). Get one of the amp's forbidden or kfr01 suggested...and I can't read your french...

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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 3:59 PM

customsuburb wrote:

MONO AMPS ARE FINE FOR SUBS!!!! A 2 channel amp can power a sub (or two, depending on if your subs are DVC or SVC and the impedance of them). Get one of the amp's forbidden or kfr01 suggested...and I can't read your french...

how exactly are they fine when it has its own CAUTION paper included with the subs saying NOT to... IT SAIS DO NOT...

DO .... NOT...





Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 4:18 PM
SCREW the sony manual, either they were smoking something when they made it or you are reading it wrong. If you have two 4 ohm single voice coil subs then you will want a mono amp so you can wire them in parallel like forbidden said, and get a 2 ohm load. Get one of the amps suggested by Rob or kfr01 and you will be fine.

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Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 5:55 PM

Here's another one.  I just noticed this one is on sale.  It is a decent amp for a great price considering sounddomain is a reputable dealer.

https://www.cardomain.com/item/USAUSB600D

Mono will be fine.  Here's the thing:  You'd have to pay a lot more to buy a two channel amp and actually run it in stereo mode.  Bridging a 2-channel amp is gonna be the same damn thing to the subs as going mono.  The only difference is that I can't name a cheap 2-channel amp that can be bridged stable at 2-ohms.  So, if you feel you MUST go with a 2-channel amp to run both subs you either:

1)  Run the 2-channel is stereo mode.  You'll need an amp that can push 150x2 at 4 ohms.  This is simply out of your price range for decent brands.
2)  Bridge the amp and watch it overheat.  Good luck. 
3)  Buy a very cheap brand 2-channel amp that claims to push over 150x2 for under $150.  It will probably break or push nowhere close to that amount of power.  Again, good luck.

Now, if you go with a mono amp like we've been suggesting that is 2-ohm stable you can buy that decent $150 amp I just posted.  That one is 375x1 @ 2 ohms.



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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 6:17 PM

I love manuals, I think that I should write my own. The problems with manuals is that the human mind is trained to believe what they read. Thus if your manual says this...

"how exactly are they fine when it has its own CAUTION paper included with the subs saying NOT to... IT SAIS DO NOT...

DO .... NOT..."

On the last page I could add " Now once it is installed, go and drive the car off of a bridge" If this was infact written in your manual, would you believe it?

Two 4 ohm svc subs wired in parallel = 2 ohm mono. Just like the picture I showed you earlier. Now then, just in case you are someone who is yanking our chains over this, enough is enough. This question has been asked and answered many times by many industry veterans. Should you choose to not listen to these people that is fine, should you choose to listen to us that is fine as well. But move onto another topic please. This dead horse has been beat to death.



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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 6:41 PM
ok, i ordered that amp... now... how do i install the amp and subs to the car? ... i have a 8 gauge wiring kit on the way too... so, how is it done?... thnx




Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 6:45 PM
anything i would be able to do by myself?




Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 7:25 PM
bump




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 21, 2004 at 7:53 PM

Check out this site:  https://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/S-1ARVfrlm2yc/learningcenter/car/amplifiers_install_steps.html

It contains easy instructions with pictures and even a step-by-step video. 

I also HIGHLY recommend reading https://www.bcae1.com/installationprimer.htm and other articles on amplifiers at that site.  https://www.bcae1.com/



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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 12:07 PM
forbidden wrote:

Here is how to wire two 4 ohm subs in a parallel circuit. This wire method will be used if you purchase a mono sub amplifier that is designed to operate at 2 or 1 ohms.

posted_image

Like was recommended above, an amplifier with between 300 - 500 w rms @ 12volts at 2 ohms mono would be a good amplifier. Here are some to consider, there is many more. Look at these two and then you can get an idea of what you might need.

Concept CA525m     www.conceptconcept.com

Lightning Audio B2.350.1      www.lightningaudio.com


so for this... i take one sub, wire it into the inputs on the other sub... then on that sub, put those two wires in the inputs and wire them to the amp normally... is that correct?





Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 1:14 PM

???





Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 1:50 PM

Yes. 
Positive from amp to positive on sub 1, positive on sub 1 to positive on sub 2.
Negative from amp to negative on sub 1, negative on sub 1 to negative on sub 2.



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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 1:55 PM
does an amp wiring kit come with all the sub wiring?




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 2:00 PM
Maybe .. all you need is some speaker wire

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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 2:06 PM

here i ordered this... https://cgi.ebay.com/dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5715952173&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

it come with every single thing i need?





Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 2:29 PM
Does it say speaker wire on that page?

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Posted By: rawrrawrrawr
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 2:42 PM

kfr01] wrote:

oes it say speaker wire on that page?

read my question... "it come with every single thing i need?"





Posted By: padawan
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 4:04 PM
Yes it does.




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 4:36 PM
rawrrawrrawr wrote:

kfr01] wrote:

oes it say speaker wire on that page?

read my question... "it come with every single thing i need?"


I read your question but didn't answer it because I thought I had already pasted you those links with step-by-step instructions and item lists of everything you'd need.



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