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Power supply for bench testing

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Topic: Power supply for bench testing

Posted By: Chappy
Subject: Power supply for bench testing
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 6:47 PM

I want to set up a power supply so that I can bench test amps and head units in my garage. I would also like to be able to use one of my spare head units as a stereo in my garage. How many amps does the power supply need to be able to produce?

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Posted By: zane9000
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 8:02 PM
take the rms wattage of the largest amp you want to test and divide by 12.

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Posted By: Chappy
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 11:46 PM
Thanks. so if I was going to use a 1000 watt amp I would need a power supply that produced at least 84 amps?

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Imagination and drive are the keys to greatness.
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Posted By: Chappy
Date Posted: August 22, 2004 at 11:47 PM

There is no need to worry about having a power supply that produced too many amps right?



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Imagination and drive are the keys to greatness.
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Posted By: zane9000
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 12:08 AM

exactly (to both posts). if you can find it get a 100 amp supply. that should do just about whatever you need. and whatever you are pluging in will only take the amount of current that it requires.

however finding a 100amp or even 84amp supply is going to be extremly hard to do (or atleast exteremly expensive posted_image). my radioshack carrys up to about 25 amps and i think they run around $100. also keep in mind that if you cant find a supply large enough you can always buy multiple supplies (i.e. 4 25amp supplys) and hook in them in parallel to get the right amound of amps.

good luck,
Warren

p.s. it may just be easier to get some really long (and high quality)  jumper cables and run from your battery to your workbench (assuming your workbench is in the garage). if you do this just make sure to keep your car running the whole time your testing you may not be able to start it later.



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Posted By: azidrane
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 12:22 AM

Is there no better way to do this?

I'm trying to set one up in my install bay for testing decks and amps and so on, that get returned to the shop (we have a real lax return policy) so that they can or cannot be resold. To many times the customers tell customer service that they just didnt like it, when they actually blew some piece of it that you cant see. Then we resell them and people just get ticked off when they dont work. I've tried to setup a few things, but I like the first guy, I cant find anything with enough current to support the types of systems we'll be testing out. I cant have a car sitting in my install bay all the time, so I've been looking for a good inverter to use, but with no luck.

Anyone with some good suggestions or answers?





Posted By: zane9000
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 1:00 AM

get four of these and wire the outputs in parallel. that will give you 1200watts to work with. it will cost your store $400. i have looked around a bit sice i made my last post and could really find anything that would be any better options for you. on the up side this particular supply does not use large coils to to the power transformations so its not THAT big and heavy. bolting four of them underneth a work table or somthing is certainaly doable. sorry if this was kinda rambling, but thats how i am.

~Warren say boolashacka to you!



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Posted By: insanity
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 1:38 AM
How about savin some $'s and just using a deep cycle battery and an inexpensive charger... You can run the charger while in the shop to keep battery topped off.... My test bench plays music for my shop all day and no problems with testing anything!!!




Posted By: NowYaKnow
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 6:14 AM
Parts Express carries a 40A cont / 50A surge power supply. Here is a link:

https://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=120-558

I also see this same one on ebay right now brand new for almost $40 cheaper. I personally use the same one zane posted at home. Works fine for bench testing stuff.. Remember just to bench test things doesn't mean you have to run them full power or anything. The battery and charger option is another way to go like insanity posted. Good luck,

Mike




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 10:01 AM

NowYaKnow is exactly right:   Even a 1000 watt amp isn't going to be pulling close to 40-50 amps unless you're pushing it.  A smaller supply will work just fine.  I had 2 150w amps on a bench, turned it up fairly loud enough to see they were working fine, and together they weren't even pushing 15 amps.  I wish I would have saved myself some money and gone with a smaller supply.



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Posted By: dxav
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 10:19 AM
You know Metra's Install Bay accessories include a high current bench tester. I think it is 100-150A, and runs about $200 dealer cost. Runs of 120VAC, too.

Worth a shot....




Posted By: Francious70
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 10:49 AM
Would a computer power supply work??

Paul




Posted By: beaker
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 11:37 AM

yes and no, i was using an old AT power supply and it worked great for testing radios but as soon as i put an amp to it and turned it up it  would clip.  i had a realy small power supply though.  if you go with a newer and bigger ATX power supply you wil be able to turn it up more but after a certain point it will start to clip again.  but for test purposes it will work fine.  you have to trick the ATX into thinking it has a load on it so it will turn on.    not tricking needed for an AT.  here is the lay out for the AT  if i can find my ATX one i will post it.  should work fine for testing as long as you are not trying to rattle the shop.

  

AT style motherboard, new ATX motherboards use different connector

1.      Power Good (output from PS which tells that output voltages are OK)2.      +5Vdc3.      +12Vdc4.      -12Vdc5.      Ground6.      Ground7.      Ground8.      Ground9.      -5Vdc10.     +5Vdc11.     +5Vdc12.     +5Vdc


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Posted By: insanity
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 12:14 PM
car battery and small cheap charger... shudnt run you more than $150 or less if you find a freebie battery!!




Posted By: Francious70
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 1:00 PM
posted_image

What would I use, and where??

Paul




Posted By: beaker
Date Posted: August 23, 2004 at 3:24 PM

conect the ps-on (pin 14) to any ground this turns it on.  on some atx power supplies you have to put a load on the power supply so you can do this by just putting your radio on it power for the radio is supplye by the +12v (pin 10) and any ground pin. 



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Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 10:08 AM
this wouldnt be practical for testing many HU's and certainly not capable of realistically testing most power amps.... you need a minimum of 5-10 amps regulated current to test most HU's and at least about 25 amps to test most power amps.... we use 3)50 and 2)100 amp regulated supplies here and they aren't cheap... ( at least for good quality ones ) ( i'm talking hundreds of dollars each )  look at companies like Tripp-lite or Stabylex to name a few.....

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Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: insanity
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 11:01 AM
3 x 50 = 150... 2 x 100 = 200... lets see if my addition is correct... you have 350 amps worth of power supply to do bench testing of equipment??? am i the only one in here that doesnt see the point of spending..... ummm, over $1000 for a test bench power supply??? even if you buy new... optima battery = $150... 4 amp battery minder $99.99 so worst case ur lookin at $250.. if ur not lookin to power your spl vehicle off external power why would you need more than that?????




Posted By: dxav
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 2:34 PM
Francious70,
   No, it wouldn't -- not nearly enough current for amps. Otherwise, I do use a computer power supply for testing headunits, monitors, video amps, and light setups. Seems to work ok. I even powered a PS2, which requires about 3.5 amps.

DXAV




Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 3:34 PM

because you need this regulated current available at all times when testing amps... you need a stable supply voltage to properly test power amps, ( and a battery strapped to a battery charger-to make no mention of the nasty 60 cycle hum you'll probably get -  is NOT a stable supply )       if you are just looking to rig up a cheap backyard mechanic setup then get a cheap Circuit Test 10 amp supply and be done with it......these power supplies of ours are spread over different benches, some in service, some in install....and as i mentioned, the good one aren't cheap

but if you are testing a monster PPI or PG or Alpine amp, you'll need this type of current at hand.....

a computer power supply might give you enough juice to test a low power radio without problems....



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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: Francious70
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 4:04 PM
dxav
   A 400 watt power supply is rated at +12@25A. that would be sufficient power to turn an amp on and have it run at low levels. But as kgerry said, it wouldn't work on larger amps, IF you were wanting to test the limits. But as for testing whether it turns on and off, that is more than enough power.

Paul





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