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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Printed Date: May 01, 2024 at 5:57 AM


Topic: cap problem

Posted By: chuckt504
Subject: cap problem
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 3:39 AM

I have 2 JL 12W6v2's with a 1000/1 and all jl highs and lows with a 300/4 with a 1.0 cap.  I don't think this cap is enough even with the optima yellow top and the 200amp alternator on the car.  It was said it could only handle 1000 watt systems.  I was told to get a 1.5 cap possibly a  2cap.  Anyone know a good brand (do not care about price) that has a digital read out on it.  Thanks for your help

Charles




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Posted By: davids2004
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 3:43 AM

I wouldnt really waste money on a cap as its been proven it can lower your dbs some.  Invest in an High output alternator.





Posted By: dragonrage
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 6:37 AM

Did you replace the "big 3" (wires) in your engine compartment? What gauge amp install kit did you use? Caps are overrated. Where did you get your alternator from?



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Posted By: chuckt504
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 6:47 AM

To tell you the truth, the cap was given to me.  It is a rockford fosgate.  I got more for looks than anything but the 1 fared is struggling real bad.  The alternator I have is giving more than enough power but the cap can not keep up with it it seems.  The way my systems is set up the cap just looked kinda good in there you know what I mean.  The alternator is a ford alternator I got from a dealership.  To help out any I have a 98 ford mustang gt that is supercharged.  So the cap was helping out a little for when I idle but I lose pully torque when idling because I do lose some amps at lower speeds because the charder runs off of the crank.  That is another reason I got the cap. 

charles





Posted By: chuckt504
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 6:57 AM

Also I am using 2 AWG wire, maybe I should go to 1/0 AWG for that voltage loss at idle.  But the cap was helping out.  All the cable under the hood was changed out 4 AWG wire (both pos and neg).

charles





Posted By: fuseblower
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 7:47 AM
Can you go into further detail when you say the cap is helping out.  What is your system doing to make you think that the cap isn't working properly. 




Posted By: chuckt504
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 7:58 AM
The 12's are desinged to handle 400 watts.  I don't even have the 1000/1 input sens turned up all the way or even close.  At idle the capsitor drops voltage alot from about 14.5 to 12.1.  Now with the cap it still holds its voltage and does not shut off, so I'm thinking it is just the cap.  Like I said idle is waht kills it.  When driving there is not much problem.  I have a 12 pound blower on this car and i think at idle the charger is taking alot pulley torque.  Before I even chaged the alternator, the car could not power the 1000/1 or the 300/4 at all.  I am now just curious as to get rid of the cap completly, go with the 1.5 cap or 2.  I was thinking at idle the cap was still powering the amps enough to keep them going.  I know no matter what size alternator I go with the superchager is not goin to let it go the alternator produce the amps it is supposed to so I guess I was relying on the cap to help the alternator out.  Or maybe go to 1/0 AWG wire? I don't know now.




Posted By: dragonrage
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 8:01 AM

You know how some people change pulleys on things like alternators to underdrive pulleys to gain a small amount of engine power? Try going the other way if you can find one. Give that alternator some more RPMs. You've certainly got the engine power to spare. I think that'd be a far better solution than a cap. Caps can only help so much, and too much capacitance will actually raise the load on your alternator and could make things worse, especially at idle. Hey, you could always go dual alternators if you're REALLY in need of power, but you should not be needing that much at that sort of power level.

As for caps themselves, it doesn't really matter what brand because none of the audio manufacturers actually manufacture their capacitors anyway. So if you have money, you can get what you think looks pretty. If you're cheap like I am, then get what's cheap. Just make sure that the voltage is high enough (IE 20V is better than 16V, etc...)

I am suspicious about that alternator, though. I'd be doubting it even being a 140A if you're having this kind of trouble.



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2009 Pontiac G8 in planning stage
HU: ?
Speakers: ?
Amps: ?




Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 11:02 AM
Absolutly agree with the above post. The way you discribe the problem, it sounds like your alternator is under drived.

Other wise your alternator is not able to keep up to the engine load at idel, and the audio system.

Remember, not all HO alternators make their stated maximum current output at idel. The majority of them only make it at higher RPM's.

Regards

EVIL Teken . . .




Posted By: envoy62
Date Posted: August 24, 2004 at 5:01 PM

Your alternatormight not give you the maximum out put at idle, therefore at some driving conditions when cold and at night the charging balance on a vehicle can be negative. That measn you pulling more current out of your battery then the alternator feeds in.

I would think that your battery should compenste at some degree when you turn up the volume at idle operation. The purpose of the Cap i fought was to make sure that when you have high short term peaks to give you some additional current, but not for constant use.

I believe you need to check your system first for resistances in the amp connections, to see if there is no excessive resitance in any of your connections from the battery on to the amps.



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Posted By: chuckt504
Date Posted: August 25, 2004 at 9:28 AM

Thanks for all the help guys I will look into all these things.

Charles






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