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Xtant DVC 4 ohm Woofers/RF 501s amp

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Topic: Xtant DVC 4 ohm Woofers/RF 501s amp

Posted By: pumara_iep
Subject: Xtant DVC 4 ohm Woofers/RF 501s amp
Date Posted: September 15, 2004 at 7:38 PM

I have an Xtant Dual Voice Coil 4ohm Woofer Rated at 500w RMS and a 2 channel Rockford Fosgate 501s amp rated at 100w X 2 @ 4ohm, 250w X 2  @ 2ohm,or 500w X 1 @ 4 ohm. In order to wire these up (let me know if im wrong) is to wire in parallel with only one of the voice coil and that will put out 4 ohms. They Sound okay, but at higher gains levels they seem to make a weird noise as if something is rubbed on it, lets say if you put a pencil on the woofer when its running. I thought it was the letters on the woofer but it wasnt. Would that be a possible distortion?

I had them running  into a different amp. A 2 channel Logic amp rated at 150w X 2 @ 2ohms, or 300w X 1 @ 1ohm bridged. I had the subs wired parallel using both coils so it would put out a 2 ohm load. When i wired them up with this amp, the sub wasnt making that noise and it pounded sooo much harder. I loved it. Why isnt the rockford fosgate amp doing that when it seem to all match up? Could it be the amp? why is this 300w amp hitting my subs harder than the 500w rockford fosgate? Does the Impendence have alot to do with it? As you can see, im a newbie and a detailed description would be appreciative.




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Posted By: 94legend
Date Posted: September 15, 2004 at 7:53 PM

Its out of phase, you need to run them in bridged mode.
Your amp needs to load your subs  500 watts  @ 4 ohmz
Do this by running it off OPTION 2

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Posted By: 94legend
Date Posted: September 15, 2004 at 7:55 PM

This would series / parallel





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: September 15, 2004 at 8:34 PM
WTF, I am reading this as you have one dvc 4 ohm sub and then in the same paragraph, it reads as though you have a pair of these subs, how many do you have?

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Posted By: pumara_iep
Date Posted: September 16, 2004 at 10:01 AM
sorry man, i wrote it wrong. Its only one sub. i have that habbit of saying sub, subs. No. there is only one sub. sorry for the throw off.




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: September 16, 2004 at 12:12 PM

Thats what I was thinking, ignore basically everything up above. Your amp is stable to a 4 ohm mono load only. While it can and will run a 2 ohm mono load, it will do it for a finite period. Meaning it will go into thermal protection real damn quick. I do not recommend it at all. You can continue to operate the sub with one coil only or a better idea would be to wire the sub in series to 8 ohms, whle this may lower the overall output level of the amp, it is the safest way to operate this sub on this amp. A dedicted mono sub amp that is stable to either 1 or 2 ohms is in your future if this combination will not do what you need it to. A thing to remember here is that most if not all Rockford amplifiers will happily exceed their rated power ratings, especially in bridged mono. I bet that this sub will pound away quite well. Here is how to wire the sub properly.

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Posted By: pumara_iep
Date Posted: September 16, 2004 at 12:44 PM
having it wired in an 8 ohm load, wouldnt that decrease the performance? wouldn't it be better to wire them up in a 4ohm load?




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: September 16, 2004 at 1:27 PM

Like I said, the Rockford amp is underrated, run it in this fashion for the best performance, your sub is rated if I remember correct at 500w rms, split 250w rms per coil. So over 500 w rms into one coil could result in sss due to excessive heat transfer. Wire it in 8 ohms and play it safe.



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: September 16, 2004 at 1:47 PM

pumara_iep wrote:

having it wired in an 8 ohm load, wouldnt that decrease the performance? wouldn't it be better to wire them up in a 4ohm load?

Like Rob is telling you, you can't.  A DVC 4-ohm sub can be wired for 8-ohms or for 2-ohms.  You cannot wire it for 4-ohms.



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Posted By: pumara_iep
Date Posted: September 16, 2004 at 6:00 PM

couldnt i wire just a single connection? I thought DVC just leaves you with more wiring options. If i only wire up one of the connection from the woofer, i wouldnt be using all of the coils? im a newbie as you can see. just really curious. I thought it was okay to connect only one of the connections. If i used up only one of the connections and wire them parallel, It will put out a 4 ohm load. wouldnt it?





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: September 16, 2004 at 6:25 PM
Wiring in parallel means that you will be using both coils and that the sub would be presenting a 2 ohm load. If you choose to wire one coil only, it is not a series or parallel connection. You can use only one connection, however, like I saif this would present a 4 ohm load to the bridged output of your amp. If the amp is making say 500w rms minimum into a 4 ohm load and your dual 4 ohm sub can handle this power when shared between both voice coils, you will infact be presenting a 100% increase in power to the one voice coil. Wire it like I showed you and do not think that the most watts possible will make it sound the loudest. It is more about the box than it will ever be about the amp.

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Posted By: pumara_iep
Date Posted: September 17, 2004 at 2:58 PM
Would a Rockford Fosgate 501db Amp be a better setup? Its rated at 500w @ 2ohm. Like i said earlier, I had them hooked up to a 1 ohm stable amp and only pushed out 300 watts and mayn.. there was such a big difference. Does the Impendance has a big part on that?





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