Spl Sub
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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Printed Date: April 19, 2024 at 12:37 AM
Topic: Spl Sub
Posted By: Sancho
Subject: Spl Sub
Date Posted: October 01, 2004 at 7:27 PM
Hi, let's talk about spl subwoofers...which one impressed you most???? As for me the most impressive sub I heard was Cerwin Vega Stroker Thanks
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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: October 01, 2004 at 7:36 PM
Can we add that if you mention the word Kicker or Square you get a free smack upside the head?
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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: October 01, 2004 at 11:02 PM
Hmmm lets see how I can do this. My old lady lost my square which led me to Kicker. Hows that?. If you want pure spl, look at a RFL, its friggin sick. I am sure the argon or whatever that adire thing is, will come up but I dont know if it has any actual production value or not. If Stephan reads this he will fill you in.
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Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: October 01, 2004 at 11:36 PM
Digital Designs subs get really freakin loud.
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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 1:03 AM
I would say check out the Solo X 18 (ha, no slap in the head), DD, RFL, RE's MT, etc. Basically you want a sub with a high BL with huge Xmech, a higher Qts for a large spike in the response, etc. That's what most of the subs mentioned here have in common. Oh and Rav, it's the Parthenon.  Steven Kephart Adire Audio -------------
Posted By: russ lund
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 11:01 AM
Hey I loved the 1st 18" stroker I've heard.In a Honda Civic no less.When your talking SPL Take a look at the HiFonics Goliath series.Up to 4 voice coils.I'm beating the hell out of one with our Colossus(it's and old amp only 2400 watts @2 mono).
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BigDog
Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 9:35 PM
speaking of SPL woofers , how does the JL w7s compare in this catagory? or are the even in this catagory. All I know is that they are very expensive and power hungry.
Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 10:05 PM
W7s are more of a SQ subs. They can still get loud, but shouldnt be your first choice for pure SPL.
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Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 10:22 PM
ok pimpin , preciate the feedback. I kinda thought so about the w7s but was thrown buy the amount of minimal required power of those things and the cone excursion. But yes the do also have very smooth response.
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: October 03, 2004 at 2:34 PM
I will stick to my eclipses, 144.7 on the lab. powered by 2 memphis hc-50's and there 10's so you dont need 15's or 18's to get spl, it helps dont get me wrong but for those who know me I will run 4 10's before i run 12's or 15's I drive all my SPL cars as daily drivers as well, almost all my SPL car could also serve as a SQ car if I really wanted but I normally just need a bad ass interior to keep up with the bass in the rear. That my 2 cents
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Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 03, 2004 at 11:42 PM
kove armageddon
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Clarion DXZ745MP
Kove ZX504
Kove AG1400
Kove 12" T3 Armageddon
Kove 6.5" Compaxials
WILDER 6.5" Pro-Audio Drivers
Custom Pre-amp
Posted By: padawan
Date Posted: October 04, 2004 at 4:13 AM
The MTX 9500s slam, nice SPL sub.
Posted By: chevyman26
Date Posted: October 04, 2004 at 7:13 AM
Image Dynamics IDMAX are pretty good. IF you can find them, some IDSPL's are slammin'. Nearly impossible to find though. They were a special run that were only distributed to their comp. teams. Every once in a while one will pass through ebay...
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You'd better get me out of this lord... or else you'll have me to deal with. -- Hunter S. Thompson "F.A.L.I.L.V."
Posted By: ice4life8269
Date Posted: October 04, 2004 at 7:32 AM
hahahaha I'm still waitin on some newb to say audiobullshyt  ..... I'm fairly impressed with that fact that they haven't went there yet........ I agree with the wiseguy, i like kove..... i also like alpines (R's and X's), but they aren't anywhere near the kove as far as spl goes..... -------------
Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: October 04, 2004 at 12:00 PM
eh, i'm gonna have to disagree with you on the type X part. i've heard them, they dont do anything. only really really low bass notes. alpine guy can fill u in on that one. big disappointment ------------- 1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp
Posted By: MBZ oe
Date Posted: October 04, 2004 at 12:15 PM
I am so Impressed with the SPL and SQ of my RFR3110's, that I went out and bought 2 more. I am experimenting with glass right now so that I can build 2 molded double 10" enclosures. One on/in each side of rear fenderwells. I also heard a pair of Eclipse Ti's this weekend and they were hittin' very hard and clean. REXXX's have been recommended by Steve as well, and they have an excellent reputation for insane SPL. ------------- BOOM, BOOM, BOOM BOOM....
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: October 04, 2004 at 1:32 PM
I've gotta say it ice4life8269. I've heard the audiobreaks. They're loud... for bout the two minutes they last. Huge x-max, $hit sq. But yeah I would go w/ the JL W7. Loud, clean, but expensive. Not the first choice for the "loudest" sub though. Heard some sub one day at this car show. It was square like the solo's but wan't kicker. It was like 18" plus inches. HUGE sub and it was barly playing and I heard it from like 1/2 mile away. Have no idea what it was but I know that thing could get LOUD. Anyone have an idea of what it might be?
Posted By: chevyman26
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 8:59 AM
(nervously looking over shoulder for forbidden) There are several companies that make square subs other than Kicker. A few that show up on a quick search are Pyle, Lanzar, Pyramid, Blitz, Legacy, Phoenix Digital (No assoc. with PG). As none of these retail for at most $100, I doubt if they were the ones you heard. Well, in the right enclosure you could probably make one pretty loud, but not for long! I'm sure there are others out there, though. (ducks and runs to avoid the imminent smack) ------------- You'd better get me out of this lord... or else you'll have me to deal with. -- Hunter S. Thompson "F.A.L.I.L.V."
Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 10:19 AM
hart professional made a square sub to compete with the solo b in theyre 2002 -2003 line but i dont think they made a 18''. who else makes square subs?
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Clarion DXZ745MP
Kove ZX504
Kove AG1400
Kove 12" T3 Armageddon
Kove 6.5" Compaxials
WILDER 6.5" Pro-Audio Drivers
Custom Pre-amp
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 11:54 AM
I can't remember what that freakin thing is!!!!! It was a nice car w/ other good setups around it so I doubt that it was a crap brand/quality. *quiet wisper* does anyone know if kicker has made larger solo's? They had some other like 8" s in the back of the car (civic hatchback). They were square also but I know they wern't .....kicker.
Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 12:24 PM
kicker makes an 18'' solo b
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Clarion DXZ745MP
Kove ZX504
Kove AG1400
Kove 12" T3 Armageddon
Kove 6.5" Compaxials
WILDER 6.5" Pro-Audio Drivers
Custom Pre-amp
Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 1:30 PM
Alright, who's been mentioning Kicker and Square?
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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.
Posted By: Audiobahn1500
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 2:47 PM
I'd deffinetly say the MTX 9500's i just put some of those in my car right now and they actually will out play the two 12" kicker L7's i had before them they are one hell of a mean sub too but damn are they a heavy thing to try and move around when putting the box in the car lol later, Chad
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 2:57 PM
Waht's Kicker forbidden? You're loosin it. Is the 9500 the new MTX? I've heard they are kick @$$.
Posted By: Audiobahn1500
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 3:12 PM
yeah its the new sub from MTX and yes they do kick MAJOR a$$, it was actually the first MTX product i got and now i'm going to be getting two 801D's for them one for each sub and redoing the box hopefully maybe some fiberglassing stuff.
Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 3:37 PM
One of these days. I've always wanted to do a servo driven sub. I know the Cyclone worked very well, dug stupid ass deep... wasn't much of an SPL creature. Now, if you don't care a bout any rude noises.... then you could easily use something from the wonderful folks at ServoDrive Inc., it is an elecromechanical transducer, just like a woofer. Think of these guys like the NASA skunk works... they even used audio to effectively cancel the noise of jet takeoff at an airport.
https://www.servodrive.com/basstech7.html
Fun stuff kids... fun stuff.
Gus
PS: Tom Danley has created some truly freaky audio gear.... brilliant man.
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Wherever I go, that is where I end up......
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 5:12 PM
Yeah I've heard the 801D powerin a JL 10w7. It was a sweet sound. I want one when I get my other Infinity.
Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 05, 2004 at 11:50 PM
gus1]O wrote:
e of these days. I've always wanted to do a servo driven sub. I know the Cyclone worked very well, dug stupid ass deep... wasn't much of an SPL creature. Now, if you don't care a bout any rude noises.... then you could easily use something from the wonderful folks at ServoDrive Inc., it is an elecromechanical transducer, just like a woofer. Think of these guys like the NASA skunk works... they even used audio to effectively cancel the noise of jet takeoff at an airport.
https://www.servodrive.com/basstech7.html
Fun stuff kids... fun stuff.
Gus
PS: Tom Danley has created some truly freaky audio gear.... brilliant man.
yeah i did some research on the servodrive basstech 7 last year they are built not to far from my town. i hear they really expesive. i wonder what they would sound like in a car? ------------- Clarion DXZ745MP
Kove ZX504
Kove AG1400
Kove 12" T3 Armageddon
Kove 6.5" Compaxials
WILDER 6.5" Pro-Audio Drivers
Custom Pre-amp
Posted By: MBZ oe
Date Posted: October 06, 2004 at 10:29 AM
Can the Servo drive subs produce different/multiple bass notes at a rapid pace? Like a good standard sub? It sounds like it would be slow/less responsive with the belt drive. And what about the rude noises? What kind of rude noises are you talking about? Belt drive/servo motor noise? Or what? A. ------------- BOOM, BOOM, BOOM BOOM....
Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: October 06, 2004 at 11:04 AM
Hey man, I have a 15" Diamond Audio M6MKII woofer, and its pretty loud. And I'm underpowering it by a few hundred watts. AND my box is too small. lol. cant wait until I get the box built to spec.
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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp
Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 06, 2004 at 11:14 AM
MBZ oe wrote:
Can the Servo drive subs produce different/multiple bass notes at a rapid pace? Like a good standard sub? It sounds like it would be slow/less responsive with the belt drive. And what about the rude noises? What kind of rude noises are you talking about? Belt drive/servo motor noise? Or what? A.
from what i understand the servodrive is good for only one set frequency. i might be wrong tho. ------------- Clarion DXZ745MP
Kove ZX504
Kove AG1400
Kove 12" T3 Armageddon
Kove 6.5" Compaxials
WILDER 6.5" Pro-Audio Drivers
Custom Pre-amp
Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 06, 2004 at 11:14 AM
MBZ oe wrote:
Can the Servo drive subs produce different/multiple bass notes at a rapid pace? Like a good standard sub? It sounds like it would be slow/less responsive with the belt drive. And what about the rude noises? What kind of rude noises are you talking about? Belt drive/servo motor noise? Or what? A.
from what i understand the servodrive is good for only one set frequency. i might be wrong tho. ------------- Clarion DXZ745MP
Kove ZX504
Kove AG1400
Kove 12" T3 Armageddon
Kove 6.5" Compaxials
WILDER 6.5" Pro-Audio Drivers
Custom Pre-amp
Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 06, 2004 at 11:16 AM
sorry for the double post ------------- Clarion DXZ745MP
Kove ZX504
Kove AG1400
Kove 12" T3 Armageddon
Kove 6.5" Compaxials
WILDER 6.5" Pro-Audio Drivers
Custom Pre-amp
Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: October 06, 2004 at 12:33 PM
Nope. Servodrive stuff diggs along very quickly and accurately. The actual mechanical (friction) losses are lower than a traditional cone type driver due to the fact that the motor used to drive the assembly is inherently faster than a voicecoil/spider. They are also rather clean... scary thing is, with no harmonics, they are playing louder than percieved. I have stood close to a block of four.... it is sickening to tell you the truth. And this is outside, free field. Put them in a smaller room (IE: van) and it is just pure pressure. Rather musical subs... however, at $4000+/box, minimum 4 required to load the horn mouth effectively, they are not a cost effective option.
Gus
PS: I'm a live audio tech on the side.... I've mixed on them.... they hammer!
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Wherever I go, that is where I end up......
Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: October 06, 2004 at 1:20 PM
Hi Gus..........Ive never had an opertunity to work with these servo drives youve been speaking of. Are those the spiral looking cones that kinda radiate up from a cylinder like tube? Educate me please?
Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: October 06, 2004 at 5:09 PM
That would be the PG Cyclone (looked like a moulinex, actually). Unfortunately, they are rather hard to come by, as they haven't been actively manufactured for almost 5 years.
Servo stuff has been/still is in active use throught the pro audio world. Basically any sound reinforcement that requires very clean, very loud, and accurate subbass, they tend to turn towards a servo product for a solution. Think large stadiums, outdoor concerts, the odd rave, amusement parks for "effects" in rides, etc. Really neat technology, very complicated to implement properly (lots of physics involved), but the results are simply stunning..... ever have low end that is very loud, yet you can't localize it at all, but you can feel it right into your fillings? Welcome to Servodrive
Gus
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Wherever I go, that is where I end up......
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