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HPF and LPF settings

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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Topic: HPF and LPF settings

Posted By: Lizardking
Subject: HPF and LPF settings
Date Posted: October 01, 2004 at 11:24 PM

What do I want to set my HPF and LPF to for optium performance? Do I want to use both my amps HPF/LPF and Head Unit's at the same time? Right now I have my subs set to 50hz and speakers set at 100hz.



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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: October 01, 2004 at 11:46 PM

You should only need to use one crossover.  Try using the amp's, and keep the head unit at full range.  Set both high and low at the same point, about 80 Hz, so you don't have a hole in the frequency range.  Now as you have it, the sub attenuates starting at a low 50 Hz, and the mids bottom out at 100 Hz, leaving a gap between 50 and 100 Hz.



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Posted By: Lizardking
Date Posted: October 01, 2004 at 11:53 PM

If I have my Subs set at 80hz I want my high pass to be set at 80hz also right?  Would I use my amps or my headunit's settings or both?

Headunit Kenwood DDX7015

1 Amp Us Acoustics 1000d

2 Amp Eclipse 5422





Posted By: Lizardking
Date Posted: October 01, 2004 at 11:55 PM

Okay will do... I have a eclipse amp and a us acoustics amp. My headunit is the Kenwood ddx7015





Posted By: Lizardking
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 12:00 AM
My headunit has a setting for crossovers called "THR" is this the full range mode?




Posted By: Lizardking
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 1:26 AM

I'm asking another question please don't flame me!!!posted_image      Anyway, My Deck has a max volume of 35. I can run the volume all the way up, it seems this should be much louder and I shouldn't be able to turn it all the way up... I remember my old system with infintiy componets running off a clarion 50x4 amp with a Pioneer Premier deck that system was LOUD...





Posted By: heavilymedicate
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 2:17 AM

Yes, THR is Thru, or full-range, no filter.  Turn up the gain on the amp.  Decks put out different voltages to the preamp outputs.  Say I have a deck that puts out 5 volts of output when the volume is maxed out (forget the number, that is just the number of adjustment steps between no output and max output).  So, I turn up my volume to max and set my gains to just below audible distortion.  All set now.  But that deck gets fried, its broken.  Enter new deck!  The new deck puts out 2.5 volts, half of what the old deck puts out.  When I max out the volume on the new deck, it is only half as loud.   Awwww, new deck sucks   : ( .  Not really, the gain was set for the old deck is all, I need to turn the sensitivity up to make the amp reach full power with only the 2.5 volts of input.   So, if i have a low voltage deck, then i turn the sensitivity (gain) up, to make it very sensitive to a little input from the deck.  If i have a high output preamp of 5 volts of more, i turn it down to make it less sensitive.

YOU DO NOT ACHIEVE MORE POWER BY TURNING YOUR GAINS ALL THE WAY UP.  Your amp may even have marks on the gain/sensitivity adjust.  May say like .5v on one side and 5v on the other, some have marks in-between like 1v, 2.5v 3.5v.  They do that as a reference, so if you have a deck that puts out 2.5v you can easily set the amp, you may have to adjust to one side or the other but you should be close to that mark.  The idea is, if you set the gain at the 2.5 mark, and give it 2.5 volts of input, it will reach max output.  If you put it on .5 volts, apply .5v of input, it will reach max power.  Get it  : )  ?

I use both the deck crossover point and the amp for my subs.  For the full range I just use the one on the deck so I can control it.  I use both on the because i hate the hum  you get from speak and such, if I had a steeper crossover slope (say 24db per octave) I would be able to block this out with just one crossover set at say, 80hz or less.  It will not damage anything to do this, do it if you like.  I have a kenwood, forget the modle number, it puts out 2.4 volts max.  Hope this helps.





Posted By: Lizardking
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 2:30 AM

Well I readjusted my gain on my amp to 1volt when I turn it counterclockwise back towards the 8volt it's just not loud enough.(1volt mark is where the audio shop set it too orginally) Do I need the have the LP/HP at the sam frequency?  I sure I'm thankful for your help..





Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 8:01 AM

Nice explanation from heavilymedicate.  Lizardking, if you are setting gains at 1 volt input to get enough volume, then there may be a problem somewhere.  It seems to me that the deck should be outputting a higher voltage than that.

As far as crossovers go, the mono amp just has a low pass, so set it to where you want the sub to start attenuating.  This is usually 80 Hz, but some systems sound better at about 100 Hz, and some set a little lower than 80.  You'll eventually find your best sound with some tweaking down the line.  The other amp should have the high pass filter on at the same frequency as what you set the mono amp.



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Posted By: Lizardking
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 10:40 AM
Any Idea what the problem might be? Everything is brand new.




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 10:59 AM
Problem?

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Posted By: heavilymedicate
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 11:54 AM

Thanks Stevdart, but that last paragraph was choppy, I was hella tired.

Something is wrong. Im going to start with something I have done before: Attenuator. Your unit has a "Attenuator" function. When you press it the volume is lowered by 20db. If you turn up the volume, the attenuator does not turn off, it stays on. When you turn the volume up to max (35) the attenuator is still defeating the sound by 20db! I know I have cranked the volume and said "hey, wtf is wrong!". My old Kenwood would flash ATT at you when the attenuator is on, the new one does not so it happens to me every now and then.

Ok, there is also a volume offset control. It allows all the sources to be adjusted for volume independently. Like a second volume on each reproduction source: tuner, cd, cd changer, aux input, so on and so forth. Find it and see if it is turned down, it goes from 0 to -15 I think.

You had the entire system professionally installed right? You need to go back and see them. I’m not sure what you idea of loud is. I know people who will not call a system loud until they hear the speakers popping and audible distortion. That is not how I judge an audio system. I judge them on the ability to get reasonable spl (reasonably loud), while maintaining a linear sound through all frequencies (the frequencies seem balanced, not overpowering bass, or jumps in midrange at different volume levels) and a realistic weight to the music.

I personally set up all my systems to achieve max output without audible distortion with the deck volume at max. People get in a system I have set up and say "doesn’t it get any louder?" I say, "Was that not loud" They say, "Yeah it was loud, but my buddies is louder! He can make the woofers pop!" Well, let me crank up the gain! *Sigh* Setting a system up this way is proper and will keep YOU (or your friends who "like to hear the speakers pop!) from damaging your equipment. Maybe the shop that set up your system follows the same logic I do? Each CD is different so the output should be able to be adjusted a small amount from the deck, independent sub controls, bass-treble, eq's and such.

Other then those simple things listed, you could get real deep in sh*t without a very specific question. Phase problems, loose wiring, bad grounds/power, bad equipment, inputs on the output side, god knows what it is. Try those two things and post back. BTW, nice deck. Hope you got an alarm.





Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: October 02, 2004 at 10:35 PM
YA! WHAT HEAVILYMEDICATE SAID !!!! Just kidding But that was pretty well said. I think it might have somthing also to do with a generation gap. I dont know. Most of the younger kids just want to blast you out of the car at your hearings expence. I like a little volume too now and then but my biggest nemisis is distortion. I refuse to turn my system up beyond distortion. If you want it louder , get in someone elses car.





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