Car audio getting more complex..
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Forum Name: Car Audio
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Topic: Car audio getting more complex..
Posted By: flynntech
Subject: Car audio getting more complex..
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 6:48 PM
I came upon an article in the Wall Street Journal today mentioning to growing trend for manufacturers to integrate more into the stereos. We've all heard of this before but, the way they were telling it was like almost all of the cars will have some type of tie-in with the rest of the electrical system. Anything from A/C controls to door chimes....you name it! Has anyone in the field really noticed this and what are your plans to keep up with it? My prediction is that aftermarket will always be desired, but some new car owners may be content with what the factory offers if it's good enough. As with anything else these days, mobile electronics is a fast changing business.
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Posted By: fatgotti
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 8:00 PM
I feel the same way I have a friend with a new Mazda 6 and we have already added an amp and some subs but he is ready to put an Alpine and is waiting for a dash kit to be manufactured and I just dont think it is going to happen I am sure that Alpine is going to end up in the glove box. It scare's me because I think that it is no big secret that the Motor Co. do not like the aftermarket industry but not only are the making it impossible to upgrade when it is possible it cost the consumer an arm and a leg. I will always upgrade but I hope that it does not become to expensive for a average person just want a little better SQ.
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Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 9:28 PM
Its true manufactors are trying somewhat to cater to the public and growing trends such as integrating navigation systems and screens and DVDs and MP3s and small sub systems and so on. Of coarse the quality of most of the factory systems just doesnt compare to whats out there in the aftermarket world because the mass production of the products has to be cost effective when you are installing thousands of them in your cars. So as long as theres people like you and me who always want better , there will always be someone to make aftermarket adapters for the better high end equipment. Speaking of integrating......can someone tell me why some or most GM cars have wired part of the ignition system of the engine THRU the radio in the Dash? Is this some kind of attempt or plot by GM to make us keep the factory radio for some reason. Thinking the car wont run with out the factory radio? Did they not think someone would find a way around this? Whats the logic behind this?
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Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 9:44 PM
Remember the good ole' Days? ------------- John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !
Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 9:52 PM
This was the very First Fosgate AMP! ------------- John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !
Posted By: NowYaKnow
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 9:57 PM
"Has anyone in the field really noticed this and what are your plans to keep up with it?"
Yeah they are popping up more and more and I doubt that's gonna change anytime soon. The new malibu displays the "door ajar" messages on the radio screen among other things just to name one example. There's a few others that are much more integrated than that as well. This is nothing new though it's not like it was unexpected and is taking people by surprise. The industry has always had to change suit and stay on top of things and that's the same thing that we are doing now. Nowadays the biggest thing is OEM integration, no questions about it. If you can't remove something, find ways to work with it and use it to your advantage.
"Speaking of integrating......can someone tell me why some or most GM cars have wired part of the ignition system of the engine THRU the radio in the Dash?"
This is news to me I've never seen a car with this yet.. Care to list "some or most" of the ones your referring to?
Mike
Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 10:03 PM
Maybe the old School Low Tech approach will come back. Under Dash Mounting Kits. Or Maybe Trunk Mounted systems with a LCD Screen and a Remote Control that you can Install almost anywhere. Just leave the old system there and Install a complete System elsewhere. ------------- John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !
Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 10:06 PM
NowYaKnow wrote:
"Speaking of integrating......can someone tell me why some or most GM cars have wired part of the ignition system of the engine THRU the radio in the Dash?"
When the Stereo is removed the Car can not start as an antitheft device. ------------- John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !
Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 11:10 PM
Thank you Hotwater.........thats pretty much somthing I was looking for. It makes sence but it doesnt.
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Posted By: jstruckman
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 11:41 PM
In most GM vehicles you can remove the radio and the car WILL still start!! I deal with these vehicles everyday, maybe one or two of the 05' models will do this, but i have not seen or heard of any yet. Jazzy
Posted By: jstruckman
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 11:43 PM
In most GM vehicles you can remove the radio and the car WILL still start!! I deal with these vehicles everyday, maybe one or two of the 05' models will do this, but i have not seen or heard of any yet. You will lose the chime functions and in most of the cadillacs the battery will die after several hours because the digital bus will not go to sleep. Soundgate and other various manufacturer's make interface to retain chime functions of the GM vehicles. Jazzy
Posted By: jstruckman
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 11:48 PM
Hey hotwaterwizard, you CAN remove the radio from GM vehicles and they will still start. Most GM vehicles you will lose the chime functions which you can get interfaces to retain those chime functions. Soundgate makes them along with other manufacturer's. On some vehicles like the Cadillacs your battery will die after several hours and you might get engine and tranny trouble codes. Some of the O5 models like the Malibu Maxx you will lose other functions of the vehicle also, have to relocate the factory radio in those vehicles. Jazzy
Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: October 14, 2004 at 11:52 PM
Jstruckman.........thats probly more like what I had heard. I knew it was somthing like that removing the stock radio would have some kind of impact on the cars vital functions. You say there are relocate kits for these cars for after market radios?
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99 F-one fitty
Pioneer Premier H/U
Alpine EQ
Kicker 1200 amp
4 Kicker comp 10s
6 kicker SS65.2 components
Posted By: blackshuck
Date Posted: October 15, 2004 at 1:09 AM
When I worked at a GM dealer as a lube tech.... All latest gen impalas (W-body platform FWD ones) and a few N-bodies and such, actually have the oil light reset function, and a few other resets in the factory stereo....all 2001 or newer j-bodies I believe won't start without the factory stereo....my friend has an aftermarket deck in his 2001...the factory deck is hidden behind his trunk carpet wired in parallel....not to the speakers, but it turns on.
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