Alpine Type R vs Infinity Perfect

no offense or anything but thats a pretty odd response from someone who goes by the name of "Alpine Guy"...

What am i supposed to say, , , Alpine is the best bla bla bla??    Iv heard both subs in the same vehicle, and i could honestly tell no difference.

Go with what ever one you desire the most basically.

the infinity kappa perfect if youre going with sealed... Type r if ported

boxmaker85 wrote:

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if a product sucks then no one buys it.

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if that is even remotely true...then why do dual's jensens...lightning audio...etc...etc...flood the streets...

True but look at the people that buy it.  Kinda like the kid down the street that has a POS 1985 honda accord and thinks he can race (and hold even) with a '99 prelude or '00 trans am.  It's not going to happen.  So yeah people still buy it but I'm talking about the people that are at competitions or even normal everyday systems that are half decent.  When I first got into the car audio market I thought that JL was definately not the best b/c places like best buy and circuit city didn't carry it.  And if they didn't carry it then it must not be that good right?  Well we all know the answer to that.  I'm still not happy with the select dealers JL has in that if I want to buy a sub there is only one dealer in the city (Savannah).  And this dealer has a monopoly on the place and can charge full msrp if they want (they don't but still). 

Not really arguing either but had to hold up JL's end since noone else was (atleast against newbie adamaudio77). 

JL is not a major company (like sony, audiobahan, BOSE, ect...).  They are famous for more than one thing, but especially for the quality of equipment they put out (and sq and spl).  Like the other companies previously mentioned, they were approached.  And they denied because they are not ready for a jump like that.  Take audiobahan for example.  Five or more years ago audiobahan was a nice sub.  They had good quality equipment.  But they weren't everywhere.  Then they went big and now look.  Audiobahan is a laughing stock for almost all sound quality competitions.  Now given they were never perfect with the quality of music but they were good.  Now they are everywhere and you hear about how many fried subs and amps they have (take a look at this site for example).  I've been to many installer shops.  Most have a "graveyard" of speakers/subs/amps they've taken out and replaced.  I can't recall seeing to many JL's in there.  Lots of sonys, audiobahans, a couple of alpines, and many other knockoff brands.  JL hasn't gone big because they want to keep the quality they have.  That's why they're still expensive and most dealers are smaller shops.  They inspect their equipment before shipment and approve it before it heads out the door.

I've gotta give it to you on the install though Ravendarat.  JL spent $150,000 on that Mini.  The install was awsome, didn't win everything but I (and many others) believe it held it's ground against the others.  Look at Alpine's new car.  Tell me that thing didn't take months and a couple grand (times ten or more).

Just my $.02

BTW are you a lawyer Ravendarat? 

Dang way to go Ravendarat.  You're definately ahead of me on the presentation and awards.  I've seen a guy w/ lightning audio win 3rd in a state competition for spl.  It was the install on that.  No way could those subs win by themselves.  But having good equipment never hurt an installer.  I'm still working on my system for personal enjoyment definately no competitions...yet.

Speaking of installs... I might be getting a JLw7 or w6.  If i port it does it make a difference where I put the port/vent?  If the sub fires directily into the cabin (not the trunk) does the port need to go into there also? or can it go into the trunk?

Someone was talking about the great marketing for JL?  About the product not being that outstanding, just the marketing being great.  Like Bose?  Thats not even a comparison.  Bose gets little respect among audiophiles, JL gets much.  Look at the reviews for JL products, its good stuff (stop hating) but its also relatively expensive.  And JL advertising is not that great, its not very flashy, allot of people who are not into the community are like "JL who?" 

They do not provide a large low-end line of products like, say Rockford who has 3 models of 10" subwoofers under 200, so the best buys can carry the low end and the specialty shops can carry the high end.  They dont revamp the look of the equipment every year or every other year to be stylish, got the same old black cone/white logo on all the subs they make (special edition w6 aside, they got silver logo's). 

JL has several things to overcome before they can break into chain stores like BB and CC, and I doubt production was the biggest piece of it.  They have a network of shops that sell the high end, which could not be sustained if you took away the sales from the w3 and w0.  The mid-low range is where most audio equipment is sold.

I like JL audio and....  I hate fan-boys who ride the dick of any company to hard.  Its ridiculous to say one company beats all others at every price point, no mater what.  Idiots!  I got a universal truth for ya!  Great installation and tuning beats poor I&T any day!  Proven time and again, all day long, over and over, get the f**k outa my way Fan-boy and shut-up your embarrassing yourself! 

It happens on both ends.  Some companies make some very low-end stuff, but that don’t mean the high end stuff is junk to.  Pioneer makes some crap!  But if you shop right, they have some real values in the middle of the product lines.  So to run around saying Pioneer makes junk all day long just makes you look like a fool to those who know better.

Ok, thats enough dont even know where im going anymore.  Respect everyone’s opinion, blah blah blah, just wanted to have my say, throw a few rocks, whatever....

Haha, I'm with boxmaker.

But thanks guys for ALLLL the info.

Yeah I guess I forgot to read the rules that say you may not discuss any other topic other than that stated in the heading of the post.  But then again I thought that's what this whole site is for, so you can learn.  And talking about who thinks who is better (now maybe this is just me) makes me realize more things about other companies.  Like I never thought Alpine did all that crap with their demo cars but now that ravendarat said something about it I've looked it up and found alpine to be a cool and reiable comany.  But I could be wrong, like I said that might just be me.

I'd say alpines just because i have the type-r's *ported* and they are very loud but I never heard the perfects so i can't really compare.

Another reason for alpine is I had some infinity reference subs that blew out in just a few months in a sealed box. Of couse those are a lot cheaper but they are supposted to be rated higher peak than the type-r's (which i don't think matters) . The tpye-r's were a lot loud then those infinity's but i don't have a clue how the perfects woud sound. Also the type-r sounded a lot cleaner than those cheaper infinities but they lost some sq when i went ported.

Although I do have Infinity mid's and highs.