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Topic: changing impedance?

Posted By: bigt_45
Subject: changing impedance?
Date Posted: October 26, 2004 at 4:17 PM

I am building a small system with three 6x9s.  The total impedance is 4.7 ohms but i need it to be 8.  I hear that I can use something called an input coil.  Does anyone know if this will show and 8 ohm load to the amplifier?  If so, where can I get one?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Travis




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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: October 26, 2004 at 5:11 PM
well I dont know why you would build a system out of 6x9's but ok i guess,    yes there is a product its called the veritas accumatch.    but it robs about 40% of your power....why do you need an 8 ohm load, most amps will run a 4 ohm load

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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: October 26, 2004 at 8:13 PM

I'm guessing you're using car speakers to build something for home audio?  How did you get 4.7 ohms from 3 car speakers?  At 4 ohm nominal each, you should get either 12 ohms or 1.34 ohms, depending on the wiring (series or parallel).  Paint us a picture here.



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Posted By: bigt_45
Date Posted: October 26, 2004 at 8:33 PM
Yes, I am making a home audio system, but I am using 3 pioneer car speakers.  They are Cadillac factory speakers.  Two are coax speaker with dual voice coils (4 and 10 ohm) and I am using the 10 ohm voice coil.  One is a single cone tweeter (6 ohm).  I wired the two 10 ohms in series, then wired them in parallel to the 6 ohm.  This makes the sound I need and the highest possible ohm load, which is 4.7.  I am then bridging two of these 4.7 ohm units into one channel of an amplifier that is 4 ohm stable.  I dont wanna burn up my amp, so I need them to be 8 ohms each.  Thanx for the help, I will look into the veritas.  Any other suggestions?




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 8:21 AM

What kind of crossover are you using?



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Posted By: bigt_45
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 8:27 AM
I am not using a crossover




Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 9:47 AM

jeffchilcott wrote:

yes there is a product its called the veritas accumatch.    but it robs about 40% of your power....why do you need an 8 ohm load, most amps will run a 4 ohm load

yeah if you use something like this or even a high ohm resistor your going to lose current



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Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 9:51 AM
what the point to all this? why dont u just spend your time, effort and money and a nice system that was made for home use? there are plenty out there....

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Posted By: bigt_45
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 11:43 AM
I have spent a lot of money on the cabinets for the speakers, which I had already.  I need to make this work, but I dont want to spend too much on a part to raise the ohms.  Is there anything I can buy at radioshack to wire inside the cabinet?  I dont mind if I lose some of the volume.  Would a high ohm resistor do the job?  If so, what size should I get?




Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 11:56 AM

sorry i meant low ohm, high current

look at https://www. digikey.com or at radio shack for like a 4 ohm resistor an i mean not a 4k ohm resistor to get your 8 ohms

but i still advise against it, its pointless posted_image



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 11:57 AM

Not using a crossover, eh?  This is not a good idea.  I suggest you read the passive crossover section of this web site and do some research into loudspeaker design before you build something that will 1) sound like ass, and 2) potentially damage your amplifier.

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Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 1:10 PM

bigt_45 wrote:

Yes, I am making a home audio system, but I am using 3 pioneer car speakers.  They are Cadillac factory speakers.  Two are coax speaker with dual voice coils (4 and 10 ohm) and I am using the 10 ohm voice coil.  One is a single cone tweeter (6 ohm).  I wired the two 10 ohms in series, then wired them in parallel to the 6 ohm.  This makes the sound I need and the highest possible ohm load, which is 4.7.  I am then bridging two of these 4.7 ohm units into one channel of an amplifier that is 4 ohm stable.  I dont wanna burn up my amp, so I need them to be 8 ohms each.  Thanx for the help, I will look into the veritas.  Any other suggestions?

ok you have 2 6x9s correct? one tweeter?

the tweeter is six ohms, one 6x9 is a dual 4 ohm and the other is a dual 10 ohm?

or are they a 6x9 with two coils, a 4 ohm coil and a 10 ohm coil?



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Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 1:12 PM
your going to need a crossover btw like dyohn said

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Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 1:34 PM

OK draw a picture of exactly what you have, what you did, and what you are trying to do

im sorry but your description is confusing the way you worded it

we'll get this to work.... you just have to try different combinations with the coils but i still think its pointless but what ever floats your boat posted_image



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Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 1:37 PM

do you need it to be stereo? or mono?

and im guessing you have an 2 channel amp that has four ohm stable stereo? do u know if its  bridgeable mono at four ohms? let me know EXACTLY what u have.....



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Posted By: dxav
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 1:39 PM
Yeah, I would not advise combining multiple speakers of different impedances. Regardless of the final total impedance, your speakers are not matched.

Are you puting them all in the same enclosure? If so, this is definitely not a good idea. If you have nice enclosures made, why not buy decent home audio speakers from www.partsexpress.com, affordable and dependable??

DXAV




Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 1:42 PM
exactly!

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WILDER 6.5" Pro-Audio Drivers
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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 1:52 PM
Agree with all of the above.  Parts Express always has great deals on buyouts of high quality speakers,  and with a good choice of impedance.  Problems aplenty with your project.  Mainly, the money should go into what you hear, not what you see.  Having an expensive cabinet but using bits and pieces of junkyard factory car speakers?  Start with the link here, study up on crossovers, take your time...for ultimately satisfying results. 

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Posted By: bigt_45
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 2:43 PM
its funny that you all mention parts express....thats where i got these speakers.  Two of the 6x9s are pioneer speakers (apparently from a factory cadillac system).  They have two coils, one at 4 and one at 10 ohms.  The other 6x9 is called "extended range" by pioneer.  It was supposed to be 4 ohm, but it is actually 6.5 ohms.  In order to get the highest ohms possible, I wired the 10 ohm coils of the 6x9s in series, then i wired that circuit in parrallel to the other 6x9.  This balanced the loundness out of the three speakers, but left me with 4.7 ohms.  I need it to be 8, so that I can bridge two of them (totalling 4 ohms instead of 2.35 ohms) into an amp that is 4 ohm stable MONO.  I talked to a sound tech i know and he said i just have to get the amp to "see" 4 ohms by adding a transformer or an input coil.  He said he has done that on crossovers.  I hope that paints a better picture for everyone.





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