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Topic: Sound Q’ Buffs

Posted By: ss586
Subject: Sound Q’ Buffs
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 12:48 AM

I need some really good SQ tracks to download for a demo CD. Various types of music. Some with really good guitar, drums, maybe some different types of percussion like bogos or something. Just need a wide variety that will sound good all around in a few of our shop vehicles. Thanks in advanced for any info and help!!!



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Posted By: ss586
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 12:49 AM
BONGO'S, not bogos.............................sorry.




Posted By: audiokid1
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 1:00 AM
Might want to look at "Rusted Root"

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Posted By: tomos
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 3:09 AM
Production I suppose is quite a subjective opinion. I love it when you play a cd on your high quality speakers and hear things in the music you didn't know were there. You just don't get that on over produced pop music I think because mass produced pop is designed to be played on headphones and on the radio.
Paula Cole - Where Have All The Cowboys Gone from the 'This Fire' album. Incredible production. Prodigy - Fat of the Land album, crazy bass electronica all over the place. In fact most electronic music seems well produced because it was generated entirely in a machine, though this is subjective because a lot of people like real instruments. Nirvana's Nevermind album took months to edit and all sorts of microphones and acoustics were set up to capture it. I could go on forever, but most importantly.. if you DOWNLOAD the tracks the quality isn't going to be worth putting on a demo cd..!

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Posted By: tbirdman74
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 3:16 AM

One of the most kick-ass tracks that I have ever found for setup, testing, and display is called "Pull Me Under" by a band named Dream Theatre.  It is track one on the album "Images and Words"  It combines some excellent SQ areas with some chest cavitating bas about 3:50 into it.  You will not be disappointed.  BTW if you do find it I would give my first born child to have it as an mp3, I have destroyed both of my disc copies of the album, and am having a hard time finding another at the record stores in my area.  The rest of the album rocks out pretty well as well, and the song really describes most installers I know with the chorus line"Pull Me Under, I Am Not Afraid..."



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Posted By: tomos
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 4:01 AM
Blue Eyeshadow by John B... Thats all you need. I promise!


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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 7:14 AM
"Some Things Never Change" - Supertramp
"This Kiss" - some hot country chick - I don't remember posted_image - nevermind the fact that I HATE country music... ususal production values not withstanding!
"Vegas" - The Crystal Method
"Kiss the Girl" from the Disney Little Mermaid Soundtrack

I have more, but it's VERY early, and I may need to hurt someone to get some coffee...

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Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 7:19 AM

Check out just about anything from this label:  https://www.naim-audio.com/  they have some good sampler cds in addition to their regular catalog.

Also anything recent from the label Verve https://www.ververecords.com (Diana Krall's records are usually quality)

I've found CDs from both of these labels to be excellently recorded.  The disc: Paganini: After A Dream is excellent. 

The Josh Groban CDs are of good quality and probably the best thing out there for demoing male vocals. 



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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 7:49 AM
Besides a pleasing vocal track, I like good percussion and horns, as well as electric guitar...to demo SQ.  One CD I've been listening to over and over is Steely Dan "Two Against Nature".  Good-ranging bass guitar throughout, too.  For a demo of bass extension, though, synthesized music will go the deepest.  But won't demo the quality you want to hear out of the mids and highs.

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Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 8:00 AM
anytime i feel like tweaking my eq, i put in the album Siamese Dream from Smashing pumpkins.
to me, the CD has everything needed, and its really a good cd to listen to from front to back.

hf




Posted By: tomos
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 8:03 AM
Steely dan, brings back memories. Seen then live a few times. Terrible sound qualtiy in Wembley Stadium lol

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Posted By: Francious70
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 8:55 AM
Umm... how bout the theme from Gladiator. It's called "The Battle".

Or about all other classical music.

Paul

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Posted By: Asmodeus
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 9:14 AM

https://www.mecacaraudio.com/merchandise.htm

I bought the Focal Demo CD....Its what they use in MECA to judge SQ events....All the tracks are recorded very clearly, and there are different types of music on there to be able to bring out different aspects of the system....(Mids Highs Lows Etc) Very good cd...

Other than that I like to use Steavie Ray Vaughan's Music to setup....His song "The Sky is Crying" has everything in it needed to setup a system....



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Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 9:37 AM

any tracks from theses albums:

aja by steely dan

for the love of you by candy dulfer

future shock by herbie handc**k

aliens ate my buick by thomas dolby

ive used all of these for sound quality demos.....ill try and think of some more later....

u  basically want songs that were recorded good and that are not over equalized and over processed



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Posted By: tomos
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 10:00 AM
Wiseguy... does aliens ate my buick have the A-mazing 'I scare myself' on it?

Futureshock's album - Phantom Theory

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Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 10:04 AM
no i scare myself was on dolby's The Flat Earth

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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 11:35 AM

For some good percussion, check out Mickey Harts; Planet Drum.  It has some incredible imaging and soundstage and the percussion covers the whole audio spectrum.  This includes a giant earth drum on track 7 that resonates at 32 Hz.  Another one to check out is Kodo.

I recently picked up Nickel Creek on SACD.  I am very impressed with the quality of the sound.  It is all acoustic, so it is very clean. 

I also really enjoy the live version of Hotel California by the Eagles. 

A great CD for sub bass duties is the Fifth Element soundtrack.  It has some very deep stuff, and the opera vocals are incredible.

I also enjoy the Gladiator soundtrack mentioned above as well.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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Posted By: Wiseguy
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 11:39 AM

Steven Kephart wrote:

I recently picked up Nickel Creek on SACD.  I am very impressed with the quality of the sound.  It is all acoustic, so it is very clean.

it just sucks that there isnt any decks that can play sacd formats, or are there?



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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 12:22 PM
One of the cd's that I have used for years is the Rankin Family. With thre female vocalists combined with a Banjo, Violin, Guitar, Piano etc., it is easy to see how some of there tracks are blended together as mush on some speakers, yet on others how every minute detail and difference in vocals and instrumentation is brought out.

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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 4:03 PM
Wiseguy wrote:

Steven Kephart wrote:

I recently picked up Nickel Creek on SACD.  I am very impressed with the quality of the sound.  It is all acoustic, so it is very clean.

it just sucks that there isnt any decks that can play sacd formats, or are there?


There aren't, yet.  But I'm sure once SACD wins out against DVDA, we will start seeing them.  My boss actually wants to modify a home audio SACD player and use it in his truck.  Then he will be the first person we know of to have one in the vehicle.  But even still, I have an SACD player at home and we have an SACD player on two of the three systems here at work, so it is still worth it.  Plus we only buy hybrid CD's so they work on any CD player.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 4:29 PM
Heh.... people still use Steely Dan, and noone mentioned Jennifer Warnes.... oh well.

I highly reccomend Tower Of Power (y'know... Huey Lewis's horn section???) The Dream Theatre that was mentioned is a good track. Also try out some Peter Gabriel.... Don't Give Up is a great track with both a stunning female vocal, and a great male vocal.

Demo material really depends on who's listening. A well balanced system will accurately reproduce anything you throw at it, and it will reveal a crappy recording, no matter what. When I demo my own car at the store, I'll pick something the customer likes... so if it's really heavy hard rock, then in goes "Testament-The Gathering", and it's off to rock concert levels. Someone that like easy listening or adult contemporary, then I'll do some TOP, or Stevie Wonder. You get the idea. The main thing is to pick something well produced, and that means listening to a lot of music to decide what works for you.

As an aside.... when you do find something you like.... make an effort to actually spend money on the actual CD, instead of downloading it. The artists need to be supported, and one way of doing that is to get off yourn wallet, spend the $20, and BUY THE DISC!

Sorry for the end rant.... but hey... it's about the only thing I feel strongly about!

Gus


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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 4:49 PM
I agree with the above rant for the reason stated as well as the fact that downloaded music (ESPECIALLY MP3's - yuk!) are very limited fidelity and are FM radio quality at best.  A properly recorded CD is a far superior product.

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Posted By: Francious70
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 5:31 PM
Nowadays it's hard to find a CD that's been mastered properly.

Read this to know what I'm talking about.

Current Trends in the Recording Format Arena

Paul

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Posted By: ss586
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 6:07 PM
Thanks everybody for all the help, it's helped me quite a bit. I do agree with the "don't use MP3's to demo with", just wanted to download some different stuff to listen to and give me somewhat of an idea before I go out and buy a CD I'm only gonna use to demo with. I've also noticed that a lot of Earth.Wind,& Fire have all around good SQ, like "September". Thanks again, and if you happen to think of anything else...................POST!!!




Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 8:02 PM

gus1]< wrote:

r>make an effort to actually spend money on the actual CD, instead of downloading it. The artists need to be supported, and one way of doing that is to get off yourn wallet, spend the $20, and BUY THE DISC!
Gus

I'll agree 100% that the original CD is the only way to get top quality sound.  However, $20 per CD is total and complete BS. 

1)  At least 41 States think the RIAA is involved in price fixing in violation of federal antitrust laws.

I happen to agree.  I'm frankly disappointed that the states involved with the suit decided to settle.  https://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20020930-1254.html

2)  Walmart, the evil beast it is, undoubtedly helps consumers in some product markets by pushing prices lower through competition.  The music industry is still engaging in what looks like anticompetitive behavior, probably in violation of their settlement, with agreements that limit low cost provider's, like walmart's, promotional ability.  See this:  https://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041014-4313.html

3)  The artists need more money?  Give me a break.  If I see another rap star driving a Bentley I think I'll vomit.



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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 9:20 PM

Francious70 wrote:

Nowadays it's hard to find a CD that's been mastered properly.

Read this to know what I'm talking about.

Current Trends in the Recording Format Arena

Paul

That's why I cringe sometimes when I see some of the recomendations for these topics.  An example of this is when I got a demo of Metalica's DVDA on a high end system (Wilson Audio speakers all around).  Now I really enjoy Metalica's music, but it is by far not a reference recording.  I prefer something that shows a good solid image, a good soundstage, and provides the full audio spectrum.  If the music is already distorted, how can you tell if the distortion is coming from the speakers or not?

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 10:17 PM
Yes, it is unfortunate that most popullar music is "overmastered" so to speak. Too much compression on it to make it "fill" the dynamic range as much as possible. Ugh. I try to enjoy recordings that aren't overly processed (hence the TOP, Stevie Wonder, Gabriel stuff I suggested). It's nice to find a CD that "breathes".... there's an old term for ya. Hell.... nothing sounds better on my B&W Model 70's than the first play of a good chunk of vinyl.

Maybe that's why I don't listen to radio anymore.... not only does the latest hit from Britney Agularia make me want to puke, but it sounds like crap to boot!

Gus


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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 11:25 PM
Thanks, Gus! I agree with you... GREAT suggestions. Someone once said "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder", and it is true, but RADIO, AND POP IN GENERAL SUCKS!!! JW is WONDERFUL, and one of my favorite referwnce recordings is Famous Blue Raincoat. Jennifer's voice is sent straight from heaven, and the recording quality (Leonard Cohen had a hand in it, I believe) is simply spectacular. TOP is another excellent place to go.

And one more point of agreement - GO BUY THE CD. What's 20 bux today? Hell, I spend that in two days at Starbucks! If you want to keep the art (and I am not referring to Britney "P. Ditty" Aguilera (they suck worse than any of them) - but works from REAL bona fide MUSICIANS) alive, make it worth their while, and go buy their work. While the RIAA *is* a bunch of thieving BASTARDS - they can all rot in hell, AFAIAC, but if they don't get paid, neither do the musicians.

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Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 11:36 PM
Actually, the Warnes reference dates back... hmm, what 10 years??? It was all you heard in every IASCA SQ judging lane, and demo, and IASCA CD...... it was Warnes mania!

Some of the most amazing recordings I have I have done myself. Live off the Alt AB outputs of the Allen and Heath GL4000 that I use for mixing live acts..... yup... "board tapes". Completely live, raw, dynamic... amazing. I run a busines that specializes in live music sound reinforcement, and have witnessed first hand some of the most amazing shows by some of the most amazing artists I have ever heard. Fred Eaglesmith, Loreena McKennit, Jerry Doucette, Jim Whitter, The Wailin' Jennys, Doc Walker, and many many others, most of which no one has ever heard of. Some nights, I bring the mix up, and just let the music happen.....

Gus

PS: Have 2 back to back shows with Canadian folk legend Valdy next week... I can hardly wait! An amazing voice coupled with an amazing guitar player... wheee!

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 8:25 AM
My favorite all-time system show-off recording is Fresh Aire II by Manhiem Steamroller.  I burned my own CD off the vinyl.  Good commercial CDs: 20 year anniversary remaster of Dark Side of the Moon.  Brand New Day by Sting.  90125 by Yes.  Almost any of the Mobile Fidelity OMR disks.

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Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: October 29, 2004 at 10:06 PM
Tbirdman...............Dream Theater really IS an awsome group. The album you were talking about is called Images and Words. I am very lucky to still own the original CD I bought when it came out. I too use the CD to test a systems limits and sound qualities. Every song on the album at one time or another test every parameter a system is designed to have. Crisp clean highs , good solid mids , thumping mid bass , and low low hard BASS. Channel seperation and overall ambience. Just an incredibly well recorded album with lots of good head bangin tunes. Oh yeah.......Im a throw back head banger from the 80s.

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Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: October 29, 2004 at 10:40 PM
I like Norah Jones first CD and Extreme's Three Sides to Every Story. Both have good dynamics and a wide range of instruments that test your system pretty well. I also like the Counting Crow's August and Everything After CD.

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Posted By: Paradigm
Date Posted: October 30, 2004 at 11:19 AM

Rushman wrote:

Tbirdman...............Dream Theater really IS an awsome group. The album you were talking about is called Images and Words. I am very lucky to still own the original CD I bought when it came out. I too use the CD to test a systems limits and sound qualities. Every song on the album at one time or another test every parameter a system is designed to have. Crisp clean highs , good solid mids , thumping mid bass , and low low hard BASS. Channel seperation and overall ambience. Just an incredibly well recorded album with lots of good head bangin tunes. Oh yeah.......Im a throw back head banger from the 80s.

Have you heard their second album, Awake? The opening track has a very nice drum intro that would be good to test with. Some of the other tracks also have some directional sounds that would be useful. Not to mention that the album as a whole is really good. Anyone interested, give it a try. posted_image



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Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: October 30, 2004 at 1:28 PM
Ive know the Album awake was released but never got to hear it. I'll look it up. Thanks Paradigm

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Posted By: 04MDX4SQ
Date Posted: November 04, 2004 at 11:34 AM

Hey, if your going to talk throwback, don't forget Holly Cole's version of "I can see clearly". I have been using the new Matchbox 20 ep for demos as well. It doesn't have a lot of percussion, but it has some good acoustic tracks, and when younger people are here with their parents it is something they can all listen to and identify with. It does a great job teaching kids about listening for imaging and staging as well.





Posted By: dr. righteous
Date Posted: November 07, 2004 at 7:33 PM

My all time favorite "demo" CD was Spyro Gyra Three Wishes.  They are contempary Jazz.

The disc was DDD.  Extremely tight bass, but never too heavy or overdone. 

A very wide variety of different instruments, a very tight and killer album. 

Also, if you like  "new age"  stuff any of the Hearts of Space samplers CD. 



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