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Topic: What to do

Posted By: jkyliej
Subject: What to do
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 9:48 PM

I have recently purchased an Alpine 9835 head unit and MRD-M501 Mono amp to drive a sub or subs.  Is this too much amp for one 10 sub?  If it is recomended to drive two 10's then what is the prefered ohm rating and voice coil count?

Thanks much.



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JKJ



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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: October 27, 2004 at 10:05 PM
some subs will handle 500rms just fine. depends on what you want to spend   I dont remember what the type r sub takes but I think it is somewhere around there

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Posted By: jkyliej
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 12:43 PM

So if I go with one Alpine Type R 2ohm DVC and wire it correctly that I will create a 4 ohm load that the amp will provide 225 watts RMS.  This should be safely within the speakers 300 watt RMS rating.  I read some reviews on the speaker and it seemed to please.  It either that or go with an Infinity Perfect 10 single voice coil rated at 4 ohm's but there seemed to be some low frequence rattling a couple people noticed.

One other question I did have last night was if anyone knows of a slick spot to penetrate the firewall on a 1998 Chev pick-up full size on the passenger side.  Or for that matter either side.  I have one small penetration on the driver side for the remote start I installed but would prefer the passenger side due to the fact that the battery is on that side and it means less 4 ga wire I need to buy if I go through this side. 

Lastly, is it recomended that I run a ground for the two amps back directly to the battery as well?   The other amp is an Alpine MRV-301 if I remember right.

Thanks



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JKJ




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 12:53 PM

Here is the real rating of your amplifier.

• 425W x 1 RMS (2ohm;@12V 1% THD+N)

Here is how to get full capability from this amp.

Wiring Option #1234567890
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Wiring Option #8648.984posted_image

The first pic shows a single dual voice coil sub of 4 ohms per coil wired in parallel. The second pic shows two single 4 ohm subs wired in parallel. Whatever sub you go with, they must be one of these types.

On the passenger side, really, really low, center of the footwell,  there is one spot to drill though the firewall. Pay very close attentiom to any bolt holes and look for them on the other side to get your bearings. Yes you can run the ground line back to the battery if you prefer.



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Posted By: jkyliej
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 3:16 PM

Way cool. Thank you.

This bring s up another question.  If I buy the 4 ohn speakers you have suggested and wire like you have shown I will be pushing 425 watts RMS.  Doesn't this risk blowing the sub which is rated at 300 watts RMS?  I had thought that if I bought a 2 ohm speaker and wired it to create a 4 ohm load it would place the amp at a 225 watt config that would be safer for the sub. Is this correct?  Feedback?

Thanks again



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JKJ




Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 3:26 PM
each sub will get 212.5 wrms.

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Posted By: jkyliej
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 3:39 PM

I am going to run one 10" sub for now. 

//Justin



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JKJ




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 5:01 PM
It is better to overpower a sub then underpower it, as long as your signal is clean,    with gain properly adjusted the alpine would have a nice clean signal that 425 watts rms is nothing to worry about...look at it this way, we have ran close to 1000 watts to a JL w0 with no problems if you read Mobile entertainment mag. they test all the subs with a crown macro 5kw.    which puts out 5000 watts rms, they run this on every sub they test and dont blow them!

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Posted By: jkyliej
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 6:32 PM

Well that is good news then because I would rather buy the 4 ohm speaker just in case I decide to add another ten to the truck and that if I do I have not purchased a 2 ohm sub I would have to replace with a 4 to run a pair. Did I loose you on that one?  You see I am leary that this one 10" will not be enough.

So basically if I keep a keen ear and don't let it distort and keep the gain turned down I should be fine with the single sub? 

Thanks



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JKJ




Posted By: jkyliej
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 8:36 PM
So does the amp output (425) split into 212 watts to each by running two subs?  And in turn if I run the single sub it stays at 425 watts? 

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JKJ




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 8:44 PM
Yes to the first part, yes to the second part if the sub is a dvc 4 ohm and wired in parallel as my first diagram showed.

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Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 9:52 PM
jeffchilcott
It is better to overpower a sub then underpower it, as long as your signal is clean,    with gain properly adjusted the alpine would have a nice clean signal that 425 watts rms is nothing to worry about...

I am gonna have to say no!

Do not "overpower" a sub or any speaker for that matter. The RMS rating that a manufacturer puts on there speakers is the maximum amount of electrical power that they can handle over a period of time, usually a minimum of 5 minutes. Feeding a speaker alot more than the RMS rating will eventually lead to the voicecoil melting. You can get away with slightly "overpowering" a speaker, I mean by less than 20w RMS over.

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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 9:58 PM
Aside.......Poorman comes into it ready for battle....

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Posted By: jkyliej
Date Posted: October 28, 2004 at 10:38 PM
So I have decided to go with the single 10" 2ohm dvc wired as option #2.  This will put my amp at 225Watts and safe for that single sub.  And if I decide to add another I will buy the same sub and wire them both at a 2ohm draw that will put my amp at 425watts split into 212 to each sub.  Right?
1 sub / Dual Voice Coil - 2 ohms x 2
Option #1
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Option #2
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JKJ




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: October 29, 2004 at 1:03 AM

Correct

Aside - WOW MAN!



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Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: October 29, 2004 at 6:45 AM

You've got it.  Sounds like it'll be a good setup.  I've got 150 watts running to my Kappa 10" right now.  I had 460 pushing it earlier this year.  Sounded fine but I was a little uncomfortable pushing that much over rms (it's 275 rms).  I would have been fine with like 375 or even 400 but that extra 60 watts was making me go hm.....  I had the sub playing like that for about 2 months then I decided to get another 10" (still in the process)  and run each 150 until I get a new amp.  150 watts with bass boost turned on is making one 10" really thump right now. 

Poorman:  I've seen (and have gone back and checked it out read volt meter and everything) a sub run an endurance test.  For 24 hours a Kappa Perfect ran 500 watts rms.  It played just a normal bass excursion test.  At the end of the 24 hours, they played a normal song with normal bass music and it was perfectly fine.  Seen this done to other speakers too.  Yeah you can run over rms.  The manufacturer gives you a cushion of rating so that the sub is still with-in it's limits.  Because people like us know the sub can handle it.





Posted By: jkyliej
Date Posted: October 29, 2004 at 11:22 AM

Thanks for that.  I am now convinced on what I need to buy.  As soon as the enclosure arrives I will see if I can fit the tall type R in the hole.

An a different note.  I need to feed a higher grade speaker wire into the door of this 1998 chev pick-up for the Kappa's that I am putting in.  Any tricks to feed that wire through the factory conduit boot in between the cab and the door?



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JKJ




Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: October 29, 2004 at 8:31 PM

A hanger worked good for me when getting my power wire through the firewall boot.





Posted By: jkyliej
Date Posted: November 08, 2004 at 1:53 PM

Just as a gesture of my appreciation to the people that contribute to this site I would like to say thanks.  I finished this very small system this weekend and it sounds better than I had hoped for.  With an Alpine CDA9835 head signaling a MRD-501(with amp link) and a MRV F340 amps which power an Apline 10" type R and Infinity seperates and rear plates respectively.  I had to cut a hole in the Q-form enclosure so the magnet would clear the back of the box.  I bought some 1/2" plexi-glass and shaped a nice looking plate to re-seal it which also means you can look right down into the back of the sub as it fires at the floor which is cool I suppose.  Managed to hide every last bit of the installation except the tweeters and those are still not easy to find when looking in from the outside.  I took pictures of the whole process as I went along and those turned out well too.

Well my purpose was to say thanks for all of the advise.  I am convinced it made the difference between what I have and what could have been a big dissapointment.



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JKJ




Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: November 08, 2004 at 3:42 PM
jkyliej wrote:

I am convinced it made the difference between what I have and what could have been a big dissapointment.


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