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The World’s Best Subwoofer

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Topic: The World’s Best Subwoofer

Posted By: Jeffpaulus
Subject: The World’s Best Subwoofer
Date Posted: November 01, 2004 at 1:14 PM

I have a problem.  I need to get the most accurate, realistic sounding base possible. I have a sedan and a discriminating ear.  I am not concerned with SPL at all, only SQ.  Oh yeah, and pretty much an unlimited budget.

What kind of setups would you suggest?  Amp, sub enclosure...

I listen to mellow rock and alternative rock.

Let me know



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Deck -     Eclipse CD8443 - $475
Speakers - Boston BAZ5 - $1000
Amp -      Alpine MRV-T420 - $400
Car -      1988 PLymouth Colt - $450, it's been rolled!



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Posted By: 94legend
Date Posted: November 01, 2004 at 2:32 PM
Alpine Type S- All the way around! from tweeters to deck to subs.  ^_^  visit there webpage for more info.!!!




Posted By: celica2kgts
Date Posted: November 01, 2004 at 2:56 PM
Boston Pro acoustics for mids and highs  and  either  2 12W7 JLs or  2 Infinity Cappa Perfect 12s , but the boston pros are definitely grade A quality for mids n highs, or MBQuart




Posted By: Mike Brooks
Date Posted: November 01, 2004 at 4:03 PM

Get your hands on the Memphis LVS 15 & you have the best SQ sub that is made in my opinion.  I run one in a sealed enclosure in my 93' Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo & I absolutely love it.  Yes, it is pricey, but compare this sub to any other SQ sub & you will hear the difference.  I did not choose the LVS for the good looks (triple orange powder coated basket).  I chose it for the outstanding sound quality.  If you are looking for extremely deep bass, give this sub a listen & hear for yourself.  If you are looking for great high end speakers I suggest the Multi-Sync component set from Memphis as well.  They sound great.  Let me know if you need to locate an authorized dealer.

Mike Brooks





Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 01, 2004 at 5:24 PM
This is a post for car audio but... anyways.  I've got a Kappa 10" in a sealed box.  A kenwood amp pushes it (not a good amp but it does the job).  I've herd many other systems but in my opinion for what I spent this was the best subwoofer setup I've ever herd.  The only thing I would upgrade to would be JL (maybe eclipse).  They've been the only subs to standup to the sound quality I want with the power I like.  If I had know about JL when I was first thinking about my system then I would have waited and saved for the JL.  They're not that much more but I got my Kappa for a great deal, so...




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: November 01, 2004 at 7:02 PM
I would use Boston Z series components and a focal utopia sub, size is up to you.

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Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 01, 2004 at 7:06 PM
Adire Brahma Mk II subwoofer, Cadence amplifier, alpine/nakamichi head unit, boston components, and ur all set
 


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Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 01, 2004 at 10:13 PM

LOL.  The typical post a person gets.  But that's cool.  Shows that everything's not equal in everyone's eyes.  I would still go with JL or Infinity.





Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: November 01, 2004 at 10:14 PM
eclipse titunium sub...I actually like the lightning audio high end highs for internals

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Posted By: russ lund
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 11:19 AM
Jensen,Profile,Pyle,Audiovox,  all the way!!!!!!

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Posted By: hurtado_roberto
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 11:35 AM

You guys do have different opinions.  What about price ranges?

What are the best subs within certain price ranges like $200-$300 and $700-$1000.

Which once have a good sq with a small demand in power. less than 500w rms?



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Posted By: Jeffpaulus
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 12:29 PM

Ravendarat:

i already have Boston z components, they are pretty good for $1000.  I have never heard the utopia sub, is it pretty amazing?  also, can you run it in a sealed enclosure.  I am considering running 4 focal 5ws subs and 1 focal 11" utopia sub.  Crossover the 5" subs at 200 - 55Hz and crossover the 11" at 55hz and down.  I have a three way crossover on my deck for this, but I might upgrade to a passive crossover.

Ideas?



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Deck -     Eclipse CD8443 - $475
Speakers - Boston BAZ5 - $1000
Amp -      Alpine MRV-T420 - $400
Car -      1988 PLymouth Colt - $450, it's been rolled!




Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 12:44 PM
Russ Lund............dont forget Realistic , Kraco and Sparkomatic.......

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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 1:15 PM
Ya, I didnt see that you had the bostons already, great choice. You can totally run the utopia in a sealed enclosure and I actually heard the 11 in a sealed box and it was the best sounding car sub I have ever heard, plain and simple. I also heard a cavalier that had 8 focal 5ws in them and I was very impressed with it. If I was you I would use a passive crossover and run the 5's at 70hz to 150 hz and a 11 or 13 from 70 hz down. I would then have my componets cover everything from 150 and up. Also make sure you take the slopes into account when setting up your subwoofer crossovers. What kinda car is this going in

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Posted By: Jeffpaulus
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 1:44 PM

Raven,

Yeah, i guess crossing those 5'2 over at 70hz wont work them quite as hard, though they are rated down to 55hz. While were at it, Question about front soundstage:

I have 5 inch boston z's up front, and I would like to go to a three way system up front, if I use a set of boston pro 4" seperates, and go with a 5, 4, tweet up front, do you think that would sound good? I know a 6,4,tweet is ideal, but i already have the 5's.  Also, could I use the provided crossovers for the fours and the fives, or would i need a new crossover designed specifically for a three way system?

thanks



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Deck -     Eclipse CD8443 - $475
Speakers - Boston BAZ5 - $1000
Amp -      Alpine MRV-T420 - $400
Car -      1988 PLymouth Colt - $450, it's been rolled!




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 1:53 PM
You can definatly use a 5 4 tweet set up, infact I have done it before using all boston pro speakers and was pretty happy with it. I would definatly either make a new crossover for the 3 way set up or by a set of crossovers made for a 6 4 tweet set up and use those. For example by a set of boston crossovers made for the 6 4 tweet pro set and use those. It wont cost too much and will work perfectly fine. You may just need to add a cap in to the 5 inch speakers to raise the bottom up to 150 hz or so. And ya the reason why I said to crossover the 5 inch subs higher because even though they play down to 55 hz they arent very effective down that low and the larger sub will do that perfectly fine.

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Posted By: hurtado_roberto
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 5:28 PM
Where do you buy this stuff?  I couldn't find any boston z's on the web.

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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 5:32 PM
I am not surprised you didnt find them on the net, I am sure they are not on to many sites. For really high end speakers like that your best bet is to go to an authorized dealer.

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Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 5:34 PM

https://www.bostonacoustics.com/ca_products.asp?CategoryID=14

Try Here for the Boston Zs



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Alpine EQ
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4 Kicker comp 10s
6 kicker SS65.2 components




Posted By: hurtado_roberto
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 5:52 PM
I looked again and I found a z6 for 650 on ebay.  I didn't know it was short for boston acoustics.  what an idiot I am sometimes.  That's the best component speaker for in that price range?  what's the price range of the MB quart in?

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 6:09 PM
While there is no such thing as "the world's best" speaker system as audio perception is very subjective, I can highly recomend speakers from Seas.  I run the Lotus Reference components in my car with amazing results.  As far as subs, theirs are some of the most accurate drivers available.  Many can beat them for pure SPL, but for accurate music reproduction they are very hard to top.  Finding them can be a trick, though.

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Posted By: evanc
Date Posted: November 02, 2004 at 10:40 PM
As everyone says, you need to go listen to these speakers before spending the money on them.

Me personally, I like the sound of MB Quart over Boston, bu that is just me.

Go listen to em... a couple hour drive is well worth it if you are gonna spend this kind of cash on a set of speakers.





Posted By: mobile E
Date Posted: November 03, 2004 at 12:28 AM

This is an example of opinion.. i thought that the mb quart  q line was going to be the best thing ive ever heard, but in truth when i got to the demo room i found out that the hex series of diamond audio sounded better to my ears.... In fact the hex series 6.5's were about 800 dollars less or so (i think). So its all a matter of youre ear! good luck

Matt



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Posted By: tomos
Date Posted: November 03, 2004 at 2:14 AM
No price limit? What about Rainbow Reference.. Somewhere in the vicinity of $7000 for the components aren't they?

Hmm, maybe you shoule upgrade your charging system and stick in a few dozen yellow tops, a power convertor and run valve amps.

I've had 6 sets of component front speakers and my Diamond Hex are my favourite. My JL W7 is still in its shipping carton so I can't tell you anything about it except that it loudly mocks me across the room for not having a box.

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Posted By: Jeffpaulus
Date Posted: November 03, 2004 at 10:07 AM

Tomos,

Actually Rainbow Reference are $15,000 a pair.  However, my concern is with the bass, not the front soundstage.  Any other creative ideas for bass setups?

What about one eight and one 15? anyone ever done this?



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Deck -     Eclipse CD8443 - $475
Speakers - Boston BAZ5 - $1000
Amp -      Alpine MRV-T420 - $400
Car -      1988 PLymouth Colt - $450, it's been rolled!




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 03, 2004 at 10:22 AM

I currently run one 12" in the trunk and two 7's in the front kicks for mid-bass fill. 

I set up a car a long time ago using two 15's low passed at 50Hz and two 10's bandpassed between 50 and 120Hz at a friend's request.  Sounded pretty good, but I have to say if the 15's were simply turned off and the 10's simply low-passed, it sounded a lot better to my ears. 

If you have the time and money, experiment.  It's fun.  But if you simply want great SQ, get the best quality 12" sub you can find to start with and cross it at about 80Hz.  If you find you have a mid-bass hole after you set it up, then you can address that with another woofer.



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Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: November 03, 2004 at 12:53 PM
Jeffpaulus..........I think the idea you have of one 15" and one 8" could sound ok as long as you put them at the right cross over points. Maybe set the 15" sub at 80 hz and set the 8" sub at or above 80hz for mid bass fill. Somthing like what Dyohn mentioned above.

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Pioneer Premier H/U
Alpine EQ
Kicker 1200 amp
4 Kicker comp 10s
6 kicker SS65.2 components




Posted By: tomos
Date Posted: November 03, 2004 at 1:03 PM
I've seen them around 7k-ish. Anyway it was a fairly frivolous comment so ignore it.

Question..
Wouldn't having 2 subs of different sizes be very hard to create smooth transitions with? Different makes provide different qualities and surely when the frequency rolls over the cutoff point the sound will change.

Also the thought occurs that if as volume increases, distortion increases, to get the ultimate sound quality you could buy a lot of the same subs and have them all turned to a fairly low output. Or is this just silly.

You did say fairly unlimited funding, lets hear some crazy ideas for ultimate quality then.


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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 03, 2004 at 1:15 PM

tomos] wrote:

uestion..
Wouldn't having 2 subs of different sizes be very hard to create smooth transitions with? Different makes provide different qualities and surely when the frequency rolls over the cutoff point the sound will change.

Also the thought occurs that if as volume increases, distortion increases, to get the ultimate sound quality you could buy a lot of the same subs and have them all turned to a fairly low output. Or is this just silly.

You did say fairly unlimited funding, lets hear some crazy ideas for ultimate quality then.

1) You are correct.  It is difficult to get a multiple driver system tweaked in perfectly, unless you know what you are doing, you have access to a good RTA and you are using variable electronic crossovers.  Differences in timbre and voicing are often noticable between different manufacturers, and can be very annoying at the croissover point.

2) Yep, for higher SPL it is better to add multiple matched drivers than it is to mix and match if SQ is also a consideration.  For best SQ, however, a single driver usually produces the best results.

3) You are in the UK?  Look for subs from Magnat.



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Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 03, 2004 at 10:27 PM
Rainbow for SQ..all the way

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Posted By: tomos
Date Posted: November 04, 2004 at 2:38 AM
Hey Dyohn, I found the Magnat site and I almost fell off my chair laughing, they have a make of subs called "Aggressor 5000 Death Match" they're a german company. They sound like nazis too. j/k!

There stuff looks pretty nice, but I've not heard they're products although the bulldog logo looks somehow familiar. Have you heard them yourself?



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 04, 2004 at 10:43 AM
Yep, I have tested them and I actually own one of the "Deathmatch 5000" subs (and one of their older home theatre sub systems.)  Magnat is a highly recomended SQ speaker company... even the Deathmatch, which is their all-out SPL sub.  This 20" monster almost caused me to lose my lunch it hit me in the gut so hard.  And it handled my 5KW test amp signal at 50Hz all day long with no signs of fatigue or overload, with a measured free-air response down to 18Hz.  Nice stuff.  Relatively expensive.  Not in the same league with Seas or Linn or B&O, but a definate competitor in the EU and UK.

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Posted By: tomos
Date Posted: November 04, 2004 at 12:03 PM
I don't want to start a long thread in a thread but hey.. it happens!

I like Linn SQ and owned 2 whole systems but was VERY unimpressed with its ability to play at volume, it cut out after about 20 minutes. I had to stick desk fans on all the amps at my parties. Much happier with a pair of eggs for general listening and dancing in front of. As for B&O I can't put my finger on it. There is something that has never appealed to me. I would hope everyone would agree with me that most BOSE equiptment is bad. But these are just my opinions of course. I currently own Infinity Prelude MTS for home listening and its okay but STILL not up to my definition of perfect. The search continues...

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Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 04, 2004 at 12:24 PM
I agree, BOSE equipment is bad. :-)

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