System on a Tight Budget
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Topic: System on a Tight Budget
Posted By: meef
Subject: System on a Tight Budget
Date Posted: November 17, 2004 at 10:15 PM
ok...so i need something more than what i have now. i got my amp (kicker kx200.2) and my sub (JL 12w0-8) before i knew anything about car audio. basically, im wanting to start over (unless i can somehow make use of the w0 or the amp). ive got $400 to spend on hand, can save up some more if need be. basically, im looking for reccomendations as to how you'd spend $400 on a system. car is a 1998 eagle talon esi. lets see what you audiophiles can come up with. id be looking for more spl than sq, but dont want it to sound like unbearably terrible. im not looking to enter it into competitions..just somethin to hit hard for when im out cruising. lets hear some suggestions/reccomendations.
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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: November 17, 2004 at 10:26 PM
With $400 to spend, competitions are the last thing any of us would think of! lol Not much SPL in that bracket. SPL = $ because you need POWER.
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 17, 2004 at 10:34 PM
well...say i wanted to get like 500 rms or so..is that plausable with that little of money to put up?
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 17, 2004 at 10:49 PM
Do you have a head unit? Where are the speaker locations, what size speakers are they, are they all still stock? How do they sound?
You bought the wrong amp and subwoofer combination if you're interested in SPL. But KEEP your amp! You can use that as a decent mid/high amplifier!
1) Look into an after market head unit if you don't have one.
2) Buy new front speakers. Components if you can afford them. Check out value offerings by infinity, they are usually excellent for the price. Use a high pass crossover at 80-100hz.
3) Use your kicker amp to power your front speakers.
4) You are running a 8-ohm svc subwoofer. You're probably only using 1/2 of your amplifiers power because of this. My advice, buy a class D amp around 300w @ 4ohms and buy another 12w0-8. Port the box. Build it to JL specs.
If you don't want 2 subs you'll have to replace the one you have. 8-ohms svc is wrong for you. In that case, look for a DVC 4-ohm sub that can handle more power and be prepared to buy a larger amp.
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 17, 2004 at 11:00 PM
yah...right now ive got a jvc head unit (needed something other than the piece of junk stock one which was broken), pioneer 6.5" speakers in the front (which will be upgraded to Infinitys before too long...damn i love accomidations), and factory 6x9's in the rear which i need to replace..but yaeh, i had planned on keeping the kicker amp and using it on the 6.5"s, then was planning on getting something like this Audiobahn 1100rms DVC 4 ohm sub and trying to find an amp that would compliment it nicely...thoughts?
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 17, 2004 at 11:51 PM
God, please don't go from a high quality brand like JL to a low quality brand like Audiobahn.
No offense, but with all the chrome, flames, (lol) wooden box, 2" "PHAT" surrounds, and inflated rating of 99db sensitivity, all for $99, that thing is a freaking joke.
Try a Kappa Perfect sub instead. Or Adire, or RE, or MTX. All will give you more for your buck than audiobahn crap.
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Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 17, 2004 at 11:54 PM
Or you can do what i said! Screw MTX and RE, go Adire! Lol, Brahma or Shiva, or even that Koda is great! Take your pic, and for 125 a piece, that shiva can do you some good!
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 18, 2004 at 12:38 AM
Those brahama's are nice subs. Eclipse is good but pricey too. I love my infinity sub. Definately a good sub for a budget. Two 10" subs will rock that little car. Keep away from audiobahan and RF punch z if you want them for more then a week.
Posted By: dragonrage
Date Posted: November 18, 2004 at 2:43 AM
Only decent RF is HX2, but it's not worth the money, so I recommend avoiding RF unless someone gives them to you.
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Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 18, 2004 at 11:47 AM
Those HX2's are cheap now. Check out ebay for a good price on them.
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 18, 2004 at 7:05 PM
the HX2's are fosgates best speaker (pardoning the TEAM fosgates) but really those Shiva's are fantastic. $125 a piece is like saying BUY ME because they are so inexpensive compared to other subs and they sound great!
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: soundmasta
Date Posted: November 19, 2004 at 7:31 AM
dude save your amp and go buy two kicker comp 12's ($90 ea.), have a shop build you a larger ported box (+/-$150). Take your left over money and buy some interrior speakers or somthing. have your sales man or installer listen to your car and get his opinion on what would improve. don't go to abc, best buy, or cuircit city. -------------
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 19, 2004 at 8:17 AM
would my amp provide adequate power for 2 kicker comps??
Posted By: soundmasta
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 7:36 AM
a 200.2? it pushes 100 watts a channel, comp 12's max out at 150 rms. i know from exerience with kicker subs that they aren't power hungry, especially the comps. infact i used to run two kicker xpl 12's in a fourth order bandpass with only 90 watts each....146.7db. not to shabby, and the xpl was quit a bit more sub than the comp, so they should rock out with 100 watts.
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Posted By: fuseblower
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 10:32 AM
Add another jl sub (same model), get a good head unit and good 4 channel amp. Since you have a hatch you can face your subs up toward the hatch and the reflection off of the glass will create db lift for the subs. Since you are on a budget go with a kenwood or pioneer headunit that has RCA preouts and adjustable eq parameters. This would allow you to take advantage of the frequencies of all of your speakers. Keep your sub amp and try using the speakers that you have unless you already have the speaker upgrades for your mid-highs that you are looking at. https://www.thezeb.com/p-Pioneer-DEH-P7600MP-CD-MP3-Stereo-Receiver-108634.htm
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 11:48 AM
It is a mistake - especially in a budget system - to focus on subwoofers first. They only provide a small portion of the sound you will hear (although they are very important) but you will need a good head unit first since ALL the sounds you hear come from there. I suggest first getting the best HU you can afford, then installing front speakers that sound good to you, THEN looking for subwoofer upgrades. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 4:29 PM
well, im satisfied with the way my speakers sound for now. basically im upgrading my subs and stuff till i can get my accomidations through work for a full set of Infinity Kappa Perfects.
also, ive been considering those kickers as a definite option. any idea what kind of db id be hitting with those and my kicker 200.2 amp? i dont know too much about measuring db's, so i dono if the kind of car makes a difference or not (i drive a 98 Talon)
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 6:57 PM
Get a new amp. I simply doubt you'll ever be happy running multiple subs off that amplifier. It is a much better mid/high amp than subwoofer amp. Especially since you say you are interested in SPL.
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Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 9:58 PM
Those Kappa Perfects are some sweet speakers. Wait for that discount and get the subs and speakers for your car. Chunk the amp and get something that runs about 300 per channel. But definately look into a new hu and some good front speakers.
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 10:31 PM
Infinity is good for the money. I wouldn't consider them audiophile quality (high end) but they are good for what you would want from what i'm hearing.
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 11:21 PM
Let me ask you a question. What kind of systems have you heard, perharps one that your friends own or whatever, that you like. Are there any you heard that you think sounded good and would be somewhere close to your budget? Resaon why I ask is because it will give me an Idea of what you like and what your expectations are. To say you like SPL is a fairly open term because to some people they say they like SPL but if I sit them in a car that hits 135 they are happy, to me if I had a car that was hitting 135 I would go back to the drawing board because its not what I want, but to some people thats plenty. So send us some more info and mabye we can do something better than through out blind suggestions based on what we like, because thats really irrelevent since its not our system, its yours.
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 1:02 AM
as far as actually in cars, ive mostly heard JL. w0's sound soso i guess (what i currently have in my car...was an upgrade from my POS jensen that i paid like $30 for including a qlogic box), and my friend who had a w7 in her 91? Eclipse about made me cream my pants. another one of my friends had 2 kicker l7's (i think? i dono my kickers very well. all i remember is that they were square). real clean sound, and punched more than shook the car. ive also heard everything circuit city has in their sub room (as i work there..in that department, even) and i like the Audiobahn ADB121T's quite a bit. hit hard and dont squeeze my wallet too dry. i dono if thats what you were askin, but if not ask again in a different way :)
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 11:13 AM
Well JL's are way out of anyone's tight budget, and the W7 is a fantastic subs except for their price tag. Eclipse are great subs, worth the money, and Kicker is garbage to me but remember one mans trash is another mans treasure... If you like those Kickers, you can get kickers for cheap on ebay. I never have and never will support audiobahn because they are WAY to focused on looks rather than sound. PHAT surround, yeah, tell me your not trying to get ignorant people to buy them ... lol ... Out of all of these i would go Eclipse if you could cough it up, but overall for a budget, ROCKFORD FOSGATE makes an excellent budget subwoofer. Take a look at the HX2's on ebay or elsewhere. They are fantastic subs for the money (I mean for like 200 its better than some subs that are 500) . Check it out, let us know what you think.
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 11:20 AM
uthinkuknoaudio wrote:
Infinity is good for the money. I wouldn't consider them audiophile quality (high end) but they are good for what you would want from what i'm hearing.
Meef, go for the Perfects, especially if you have a deal on them. I consider the Perfects more 'audiophile quality' and 'high end', whatever the hell those are, than Cadence. sh*t, if you want to start that sort of word game there are a lot of people who don't consider either brand high end. The point is, if you're going to put down a brand, at least either suggest alternatives and explain why, OR give reasons why you don't consider that brand high end. I have a hunch, in this case, that the comment was made simply because the brand wasn't Cadence. I could be wrong. Anyway, my purpose of this isn't to start a fight. Its to make a point about something that bothers me: speaker quality is subjective. Why take every opportunity there is, even if it wasn't part of the question, to put down a very good set of speakers? ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 1:03 PM
You can probably get a set of Alpine Type R's and a JBL 600.1 for pretty cheap. You can get 2 type r 12s on ebay for $200, and a JBL 600.1 on sounddomain for $160.
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 1:43 PM
hm...duely noted about all of that. another question i had was how big of cable am i gonna need? 4 gauge? 2? i cant imagine needing anything bigger than that
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 1:47 PM
oh, and hitting 135 db is more than plenty. just lookiong for at least 100.
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 2:01 PM
Well, i have had infinity in the past and they have treated me well, but not audiophile grade like i stated before. By the way, no Kappa Perfect will sound as good as those CVL-6K's i got. Sure there are a lot of components that sound better, but the Kappa's do not even come near nor compare. Focal Utopia's, CDT HD series, Nakamichi SP-S6500, and a/d/s 365is components are all great. They are audiophile quality. I have heard everyone of them and i'll tell you they crank and maintain fantastic SQ. My Cadence's do the same, but the ones i listed are better for SQ. I like the whole in your face kind of sound in my system, and that is what they give. Make no mistake, they have fantastic SQ, but there is always bigger and badder out there.
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 2:11 PM
uthinkuknoaudio wrote:
By the way, no Kappa Perfect will sound as good as those CVL-6K's i got. Sure there are a lot of components that sound better, but the Kappa's do not even come near nor compare.
Yes, we all know you have best bargain audiophile elite gangsta in your face stuff ever. You won't let us forget it. Do you just come here to constantly brag? ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 2:13 PM
As a matter of fact i got my CVL-6k's for a great bargain. I never said it was audiophile elite, but try your best to keep your crap out of these forums and stick to the topic. I gave my recommendations, give yours.
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 2:21 PM
did you get your CVL-6ks for under $135? thats what im gettin my Kappas for..
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 2:27 PM
uthink, You keep missing my point. I don't care that you make recommendations or have an opinion. That's great! Everyone here does. Seriously, keep it up. My point is this: Don't make sweeping statements like, "x is ALWAYS better than y," without telling us WHY you think that way. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 2:38 PM
I did, i said by personal preference. I said that there are always better out there, and i listed them. I said what i was looking for from mine, and that is the WHY part of it. compared to Kappa's, the CVL's are a lot better for what i was looking for, and the Kappa's didn't even really cross my mind when i heard the Cadence's. To tell you the truth the only component I was comparing it with was the CDT HD-62, which is another fantastic component. I just like the cadence better because it was more in your face than laid back. No i didn't get my cadence's for under $135, but i got them significantly for less than their MSRP, which is $449-469. I got 2 sets of them for less than one set on MSRP. meef, get what you like. Your ears make the decisions. You are the one that is going to be listening to it every day not us, keep that in mind. Like i said before, infinity's have treated me well, just they are not anywhere near as good as my cadence's. I still recommend them though for a budget like yours though. I really like the Infinity Reference series, in particular the 652i, I used in in a 93' Oldsmobile Cutlass supreme and it cranked, especially for a coaxil. I like the 236is components as well from a/d/s, and you can find them for dirt cheap on ebay. They are not the best, but they are good for the money. I have always like a/d/s technology, especially the older models, and i still support them. Let us know what you decide. ------------- "I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 2:51 PM
as far as the subs/amp combo, im leaning more towards the TypeR's with a matching amp, or some 12" Infinity Kappas..needa look at the specs on em and find an amp that will compliment them well. the hx2s arent bad, but i just dont really care for the way RF sounds. how do the TypeR's compare to TypeE's or TypeS's?
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 3:10 PM
uthink: Wonderful post. I honestly liked that! Keep that kind of post up man! I do appologize for being rude earlier, but I just get frustrated with people throwing around words like ALWAYS without disclaiming that it is your personal preference and explaining WHY. Bad Post: x product is not audiophile or good. y product always beats x product. Good Post: I like y product better than x product. In my experience / opinion y product is more forward than x, handles more power, etc. I like that better. Anyway, uthinku, I wish you peace, I'm just trying to to avoid a situation where everyone on the board starts telling people that their products are always better without giving an explanation. Like I said, that last post was great. Keep it up. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 3:11 PM
The type R's are decent-good all the way around. As a combo, they are good, as individuals they are decent. In my opinion one makes the other sound good and vice versa. I would suggest the type R's over the E's and Ss, just because i think it has more meat on it than the others. What i mean by meat is that it hits harder and has a fuller bass feeling than the others. The E's and S's really feel like "lightweights" I guess you could say and the type R's are the "middleweights". In case your wondering, the Type X's would be the heavyweights for alpine. That is such a shame though you don't like how fosgates sound, but everyone has their own ears! Let us know what you decide!
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 6:16 PM
LOL you guys are great!!!!! (uthink and kfr01). Just got my daily dose of comedy! Yeah Kappa's are some really sweet subs. You a curcuit city guy? Yeah major discount on you for them. (that's how i got mine). Oh and IMO (for the record this is by a side by side comparison) my one Kappa 10" powered with 450 watts distroyed two rockford fosgate 10" (he2 i think was the model), two pioneer 12" (nothing to brag but...), a single jl 12" w0, and probably you're stuff uthink (well, let me rephrase that: it will keep up with). Read around this forum. An instalation will make the biggest difference in sound. I've heard two JL 13w7 destroy (in spl) four kicker 15L5 subs. Shows it's all in the install. Those rockfords are good speakers. But I would go with the Infinitys in the end. Great sound with a great price tag (especially for you). Good luck to you meef.
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 8:19 PM
Well i would expect the w7's to kick the kickers buts if there were 15 kickers vs. 2 w7's, being that the w7 is a far better woofer than that L5 piece of junk. Letting you know, Kappa 10" can stand up to the HE2, but definitely not the HX2. HX2 is a lot better speaker. Pioneer has never impressed me besides a couple of head units. And letting you know, your rediculous if you think that one Kappa 10" can think of keeping up with my 2 Adire 12'' Brahma MK II. That is a no brainer.
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: bumpingjeep
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 9:16 PM
no no no no...i got a bigger d..k...seriously boys...i also found you guys entertaining for a short period of time...but lets focus on meef here...if a pissing contest is needed...start another topic...hell... ill even join
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 9:23 PM
would i be better off going with a 12" brahma than 2 of the Alpine 12" TypeR's?
Posted By: bumpingjeep
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 9:31 PM
brahmas...i'm not a big alpine fan...anymore at least...just my opinion
Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 11:05 PM
Ravendarat:
"To say you like SPL is a fairly open term because to some people they say they like SPL but if I sit them in a car that hits 135 they are happy, to me if I had a car that was hitting 135 I would go back to the drawing board because its not what I want, but to some people thats plenty."
Um... that's a fairly vague statement. One thing I NEVER see is a hertz/cycle measurement with these decibel ratings. Oh, my car hits 150Db *cough* at 15000Hz*cough*. That's not saying much. a 15000 cycle signal is very easy to reproduce at "high" volumes, and it doesn't require much power.
Now, show me a car stereo system that hits 135Db at 20HZ, and I would piss my pants. The thing is, most people's systems start to roll-off at 35Hz. So they can't even get a 90Db 20Hz sound.
Anyway, back to the system on a budget:
Take a look at Cerwin Vega. They make some very nice subwoofers. Up until recently, they dealt mostly with SQ more than SPL, but they have introduced a new line that is dedicated more towards SPL.
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Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 9:24 AM
I agree with Ravendarat, SPL is an open term. Poormanq45, you are missing his point entirely. He's not using the hertz/cycle measurement to prove his point. He is saying that 135 db can make someone happy but for him it would bring him back to the starting point. The same with me, really i don't care if i hit 170 db, if it didn't have sq i'd start all over. Cerwin Vega is average, their products have been on the decline over the last fiew years. There VEGA series was the only one that was really nice, and the STROKER's are just for plain old SPL. ------------- "I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 9:58 AM
"Cerwin Vega is average, their products have been on the decline over the last fiew years. There VEGA series was the only one that was really nice, and the STROKER's are just for plain old SPL." Agreed, go with a single Brahma 12 or an XXX 12..that's another route. ------------- Dave
Pioneer Premier DEH-P660
15" Kicker CVR
Profile AP1000M
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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 10:15 AM
I didnt think I need to explain this but apperently I was wrong. What I was saying is that if I so chose to take a car to a competion and in that competion it hit 135, then some people would be very happy with that and others would see that as a disapointment. I have no idea how you possibly interpreted that as me talking about cycle measurments. I have been competiing for a few years now and telling me this is preaching to the choir.
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Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 1:51 PM
No, I didn't interpret that as you talking about cycle measurements.
I just don't like how people give these Db ratings, but don't say at what frequency they were taken.
Like I said before, a 15000Hz frequency is a lot easier to produce at 135Db than it is to produce a 20Hz frequency at 135Db.
It's all relavent.
Also, did you know that if you were able to produce a 20Hz frequency at 135Db, you would probably be able to produce a 50Hz~100Hz frequency at 150Db easily. That's why I asked what frequency you were taking your measurements at.
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Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 3:36 PM
WHY DOES IT MATTER? db's are not important in this case. It is a budget system and you can take what you can get. Sorry poorman, but It is NOT all relevant. This is way off topic. Ravenderat has made a valuable point, and i just don't know where you are coming from with your whole idea... It seems a little unfounded to me in this case. I also agree audiobass again, XXX by Resonant Engineering is a great sub, not exactly budget, but it is fantastic. Best budget 12 on the market is the Shiva (In my opinion). For $125 it is a steal. Check it out at www.adireaudio.com under car audio. Stay on topic everyone, lets not let this thread get out of hand :) ------------- "I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 4:28 PM
Haha..i didn't realize how off topic i got in my suggestions..I guess since you put out a name like Adire Brahma..i drifted away from the original "budget system"...Here's my thoughts..While the Adire Brahma and the XXX are both Great Subs..The Brahma does not crave the power that the XXX does...so if I were you I would look more into the Brahma...You could get a single Brahma 12..build yourself a nice ported box and run it off an amp like the JBL 600.1..that would give you plenty of power and if you ever wanted to send it more when you get more money..it could take it no problem..buy the Refurb JBL amp off www.soundomain.com ..I believe they're going for around $150..This would run you slightly over your budget but IMO you would feel very pleased with the money you spent...Also if you did go with the 600.1..Id invest in a pair of RCA splitters and An F-mod because it doesn't have a SSF...The amps play best that way...Well, there's another suggestion for ya. ------------- Dave
Pioneer Premier DEH-P660
15" Kicker CVR
Profile AP1000M
It's Loud
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 8:03 PM
JBL amps are fantastic to say in the least - i highly recommend them for budget systems, as they are truly bang for the buck.
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 8:07 PM
audio the word brahma brings in post that don't even belong on this forum much less on this perticular one.  Yeah they (the brahma's) are good subs but like I said before: Those Infinity's are going to be really hard to beat for the price you pay for them. Now as far as an amp to match it, that's a totally different topic.
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 8:16 PM
Infinity's = great budget multi-elements and components. Infinity = ok woofers, but really not good at either SQ or SPL ... Infinity components + JBL Amps + JBL Subs = A budget masterpiece at hand! Hope this equations helps...
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 1:24 PM
just to make sure ive got my calculations right and stuff as far as impedance and power goes..
right now my kicker amp is a kx 200.2
doing some reasearch on it, i saw that its pushing
50w x 2 @ 4 ohms. if i bridged it, it would make 100w x 1 @ 4, correct (sassuming i was pushing a svc sub)? or would it be 100w x 1 @ 2? trying to figure out if i ran a dvc sub to it what would happen, but kinda need to know the svc stuff first.
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 4:19 PM
Your Kicker amp will produce 200 watts into 4 ohms when bridged. 100 watts X 1 into 8 ohms. It cannot handle a bridged 2-ohm load. If I had to use that amp, I'd use either a SVC 4-ohm sub or a DVC 2-ohm sub (in series for 4 ohms.) And by the way, I disagree with the post about Infinity subs being not so good. The Kappa Perfect line is one of the better overall SQ choices available for the price. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 4:44 PM
There are a lot worse, so it is one of the better. But really not that great in my opinion. Infinity makes good products though overall, except amps (i've seen them fry ALOT of times), and i will recommend them. Follow what your ear tells you. ------------- "I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 6:40 PM
well...following what my ears and my wallet tell me, im really starting to lean towards audiobahns. that or some TypeR's...have yet to hear some TypeR's, however..so im gonna try and find someone who has some tho, give em a listen before anything else. *puts on flame suit*
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 6:43 PM
From what I've heard..the Type R series subs are a very decent sub.
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Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 7:50 PM
NO!!!! NO AUDIOBAHANS!!!!!! Porobably most everyone on this site (and w/ any car audio experience) will say stay away. You will regret it. Infinity amps are (unfortunately) not that great. But like I've said time and time before go Infinity subs for your wallet restrictions (I was....well still am, in that same spot and I've got an Infinity; love every minute that it plays). If you're wallet allows it go brahma or a used JL sub. Both are great IMO. But something tells me uthink will disagree w/ me.
Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 7:55 PM
You could do two Kappas or one Brahma. Stay away from the audiobahn stuff, you will regret it...
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 8:47 PM
why? they just blow quickly? or..?
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 11:21 PM
Yeah blow very easily. And just don't have any sq. It's all spl (while they last). You work at Circuit City right? Well run one of those subs for about an hour or two at their rms value (given it will be loud, but if they will then try it) I promise they will blow well before an hour or two (or just stop playing). Like someone said before it's only a chromed turd
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 2:30 AM
whats the Adire website? and how do the Shivas hold up against the Brahmas? because if i get a Brama, i wont have enough to get a good/decent amp to push it.
ive been reading up and reading up on this and dont wanna do things half-assed...so probably not going to go audiobahn. but yaeh, let me know on the Adire stuff asap, fellas
Posted By: winston_smith
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 2:55 AM
Adire's Website
Well i have not heard a shiva so i can not tell you how good it is compared to a brahma. But i have heard a brahma and i can say they are a nice sub, and as for power Soundomain is ruuing deals on JBL referbs (just got a 600.1) the 600.1 is only 160$ 600W @ 2Ohms and it's 1 ohm stable, and from what i understand you can expect a little over 600W out of one. I myself am putting a 12" brahma powered buy a JBL 600.1 in a 1.5 Cu/Ft box, and from what i have read it's plenty of power to push it.
Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 2:56 AM
you can find it here
https://www.adireaudio.com/
Brahmas use a new motor technology called XBL2, from my gathering its a very efficent and strong driver thats able to offer a lot of SPL and SQ.
Shivas from my quick glance at their page, dont use this technology. but nonetheless they will preform very well for a budget sub. if your worried about not powering a Brahma sufficently, remember you donot need to meet its max RMS in order for it to get loud, even if you power it with 1/2 of its rated RMS you should beable to achieve near max spl, depending on the enclosure
Just found this on the bramah page
[quote]1600W RMS, 4800W peak
NOTE: Power rating is thermal only! It is NOT a power requirement; typically you get full output with significantly less power than the rating.
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so 700-1000 watts will give you enough power to make you happy. would this fit your budget?
maybe you can work out an enclosure (ported?) to give you more boom for your buck.
oh, i should have asked, what were/are you thinking of for a decent amp to push it. and were you wanting to run this @ 4,2 or 1 ohm?
this page:
https://www.adireaudio.com/TextPages/BrahmaSubsPageFrameText.htm
should give you enough info for the brahma to decide.
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 3:30 AM
well...if im reading this thing right, Shivas are dvc, right? so i was thinking of running 1 shiva @ 2 ohms impedance off a mono block amp. thats how it'd work right?
1dvc sub to a 1 channel amp would be 2ohms? or would it still be 4 ohms?
Posted By: spootydlux4
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 4:16 AM
hey a cheap but good combo, is the swr-1041d and the mrp-m350. thats what i have in my silverado. got the amp for 130 and speaker for 100 at www.hookedontronics.com it sounds great and is easy on the wallet. id recommedn it for a tight budget ------------- blah blah blah blah
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 2:31 PM
Shivas are 8 ohm dvc..you need to wire it at 4 ohms..If you got a brahma. the JBL 600.1 would make you very happy IMO. I know somone running a Brahma 15" in a custom ported box off of the JBL 600.1 amp and he's hitting 134db.
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 4:16 PM
im looking around on both the adire website and also another site i found that sells adire and i cant seem to find how much the 12" Brahma is? am i retarded? can someone give me a link or just tell me how much it is (straight from Adire's website)? the other page im looking at is saying 379 shipped..and im totally not wanting to spend that much on a single sub.
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 5:03 PM
and if that 12" brahma is the right price (the 379 shipped), im gonna go with a shiva i think. would a 12" shiva on that JBL 600.1 amp hit a decent amount?
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 5:24 PM
That depends on what you mean by "hit" and what enclosure you expect to use. Find the Adire sealed and ported shiva application documents. They'll give you an idea regarding what sort of performance the sub will have in a variety of enclosures.
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 5:32 PM
erm..i guess what i meant was just overall performance. forgot im talking to people that actually know stereo stuff. lol
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 5:36 PM
Have you checked out www.realmofexcursion.com ?...they have a video of the shiva pounding away..take a look at it ------------- Dave
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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 5:39 PM
Wow this thread got damn long real quick, the only one I remember seeing longer is one of the audiobahn bashing posts and the one where a gu was fiberglassing the back of his mustang and it looked like a monster took a big bondo sh*t in the trunk. I would ask Stephan about this being he is the resident Adire expert
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 6:13 PM
so if i was running the shiva, which is 8ohm dvc, i could wire it to be 4 ohms to a mono amp, right? and with the jbl amp (which for now, im convinced is the best bang for the buck amp) that is 600.1 (300w x 1 @ 4ohms, or 600w x 1 @ 2ohms), it would run the 300w x 1 @ 4ohms, right? then if i decided to add another shiva down the road, i could lower the impedance down to 2 ohms? is my math correct on this? im still kinda new to everything, especially the wiring of dvc subs.
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 6:19 PM
you are 100% correct. You get a cookie :)
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 6:25 PM
hm..i think i just decided on my setup then 
just gotta read up on boxes. OH. also. what size of wire should i run? im assuming my 8 gauge isnt gonna be enough, especially if i decide to add another sub.
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 6:36 PM
Id use 4 gauge for your set up. That way you have the option of upgrade later on as well, ie mabye an amp for the speakers
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 6:49 PM
anyone know where else i could get the JBL BP-600.1 amp or something comparable from for around the same price? sounddomain is all out *smacks his forhead*
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 7:30 PM
wow i thought they still 600.1s left..the next cheapest way would be to check ebay i believe.I'll keep a look out for a cheap one.
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 7:36 PM
i talked my mom into getting the shiva for xmas, so i now have a bit more to spend on an amp..lol...
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 8:21 PM
ha..good job..i'll keep a lookout for the JBL.. and also post other good amps for good prices. Roughly how much do you have to work with now? ------------- Dave
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 8:24 PM
well i figure the wiring and a good/decent box will run me 100-150..so probably 250? maybe a little more?
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 8:53 PM
This amp : https://cgi.ebay.com/dll?ViewItem&category=18796&item=5734870435&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW would be perfect, maybe even overkill! Look at those specs, especially the THD lol, thats brutal. :) ------------- "I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 10:59 PM
oh lord *throws a bid in*
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 11:12 PM
if i cant get that cadence...what about something like this
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 11:14 PM
er...scratch that last link. pasted the wrong one. try this one instead
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 12:59 PM
That alpine amp is overpriced IMO..definitely keep bidding on the cadence. ------------- Dave
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Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 1:03 PM
https://cgi.ebay.com/dll?ViewItem&category=64573&item=5735076043&rd=1 That xtant is also a very good amp...much better than the Alpine IMO ------------- Dave
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 1:27 PM
how about this one? one of my friends has one for sale for right at 170
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 1:50 PM
I'll sell you mine https://www.epinions.com/pr-Kenwood_KAC-7201_Car_Audio_Amplifier Good amp. For around $100 (i'm looking for a new amp b/c I upgraded my subs so...). It sounds decent. Good amp for the price I bought it for ($159 on sale @ circuit city).
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 2:02 PM
I'd go for the more powerful Xtant over the kenwood if you can spare a little extra cash. I have been very happy with that series of Xtant amplifier. That Xtant series isn't as advanced as the Xtant ~$1,000 X series amplifiers, but they have some trickle down technology from that series and are solid, generally underrated, and clean amps for the price. But yeah, go for that Cadence if you can. Something tells me it will be a non-issue. E-bay has become an incredibly efficient market, especially around the holidays. Demand on near mint open-bid items drives price fairly close to what it should actually be. I expect an awesome item like that to go for $500-+. Shoot, it has 8 days left and is already nearing $50. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 5:50 PM
what do you think about that kenwood tho? my friend is kinda desperate for rent money so im tryin to help her out if i can, but at the same time dont wanna dick myself over
Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 7:23 PM
Damn that Cadence is nice, its already over $80 though, so I dunno if your gonna be able to get that one. I would go with the second kenwood amp mentioned, the KAC-7201. My friend has one hooked up to 2 memphis 250W subs. It shakes his whole car, and hte gain is like a eighth of the way up, I would highly suggest that amp. I have never heard a xtant, but have heard nothing but good things.
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Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 7:31 PM
would that KAC-7201 be good for if i were to expand to 2 Shivas tho instead of just one?
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 7:40 PM
pimpincavy wrote:
It shakes his whole car, and hte gain is like a eighth of the way up
Just a warning for you guys out there on this one. Pimpin, your post made it sound like there was more power for him to get out of the gain... like it was a volume control. This is an incorrect version of what gain is. If your friend set his gain correctly it IS delivering FULL POWER at 1/8. See the gain page at https://www.bcae1.com/ "Contrary to popular belief, an amplifiers gain control does not determine the maximum power that an amplifier can produce. As long as the preamp/drive signal has sufficient level, the amplifier will produce its maximum power output level. The gain controls are used to match the amplifer's gain to the gain of the other amplifiers in the system (in the case of a multi-amp system). The gain controls also allow you to match the amplifier(s) to the head unit." "You should remember:
1.The gain controls are designed to match the amplifier to the head unit.
2.The gain controls do NOT determine how much power an amp will produce." https://www.bcae1.com/gaincon2.htm ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: November 29, 2004 at 10:57 PM
That Kenwood 7201 is a good amp. It runs 150 x2 or 460 x 1. I'm not sure what the shiva's are running.
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: November 30, 2004 at 10:24 PM
tho i know yall will say to go have a custom box made, or make one myself, would this qlogic box i was looking at be good?
ARS QLH12512DE
1.25ft^3 Internal Volume
15.75"H x 32"W
15.75 bottom x 9.25 top depth
i dont know any more of the specs on it, but would that be ok/decent for them?
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: November 30, 2004 at 11:35 PM
Save the extra money and cough up the dough for the cadence amp, you won't be dissappointed, as it will provide you with the cleanest and most efficient power of any of the other ones mentioned. Perhaps only rivaled by the XTANT, but i think the Cadence is still a better amp.
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Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: November 30, 2004 at 11:59 PM
uthinkuknoaudio wrote:
Save the extra money and cough up the dough for the cadence amp, you won't be dissappointed, as it will provide you with the cleanest and most efficient power of any of the other ones mentioned. Perhaps only rivaled by the XTANT, but i think the Cadence is still a better amp.
I agree that the Cadence is the better amp here. It is surely cleaner. However, it is surely not more efficient. The Cadence information says it is a class A amplifier. Class A amplifiers are very inefficient. The Xtant and Kenwood are class D amplifiers. Class D amplifiers have higher levels of distortion than class A and most A/B, but are FAR MORE efficient. So, not to argue, but while the Cadence is the cleanest, it is the LEAST efficient. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 12:01 AM
alright..well..ill try for the cadence then. but yea...what about the box?
Posted By: soundmasta
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 7:39 AM
i thought this kid was trying to save money while he was putting this system together, but almost everyone thats posted has told him to do what they want personally, not in his best intrest. my first post in which i suggested to keep the amp he already has and get two kicker comps 12's (only $90 each, or 10's for $79) is wise because it utilizies his current equipment and leaves lots of room in his $400 budget (about $220) for a nice set of interrior speakers, and a well built speaker box. the KX200.2 is enough to push the Comps right now, but the subs still leave room to upgrade to a different amp, maybe a KX400.1 class d monoblock, and use the 200.2 for a set of seperates, while he could still move the location of the coaxils he bought with the left over money to the rear. this would save this poor kid from buying two new amps, getting a mediocore pair of coaxils that he will just junk in time to buy better ones, and in the end result in a great sounding system. i don't know if any of you actually work in the car audio business, but if you do and you can learn to sell to your customers in that manner, you will see the return. just a tip. -------------
Posted By: soundmasta
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 7:49 AM
by the way, i am head installer at a shop that is a factory direct kicker dealer...also audiobahn. i have at least a year of experience working with other products such as rockford fosgate, jbl, polk audio, jl audio, lanzar, jvc, kenwood, sony, pioneer, pioneer premier, blaupunkt, panasonic, dei, viper car audio, eclipse, among others, so im not just biased for ther reason of working at a kicker dealer, i just have better luck with their product and customer service.
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Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 8:16 AM
Congrats soundmasta for being a dealer!!! If you'll read the post these guys say they recomend getting the amp off ebay and if I was meef I would turn around and sell the amp he currently has right now and use that money to put toward that new amp. That's just the idea I was getting.
Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 11:08 AM
Sorry I didnt mean it like that. If he turns the gain up much more than it is the subs start to distort.
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Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 11:12 AM
That was a reply to kfr01's post, for some reason it didnt quote it.
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Posted By: soundmasta
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 12:41 PM
look boxmaker85...my point is if he follows the advice of some web surfing, i read a book and noow i know it all wanna be he will effectivily take the long way around to spend more money, aquire sub-par equipment with little or no working warrenty and zero customer service. my way is cheaper, and if he goes to an authorized dealer for what ever product he decides to buy he will end up with an actual car audio system, not just two subs in the trunk. it will sound like music, not speakers playing music, because thats what professional know how gets you, for the same or less money. ebay doesn't guarantee product. a dealer does. that is fact.
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Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 1:41 PM
soundmasta wrote:
look boxmaker85...my point is if he follows the advice of some web surfing, i read a book and noow i know it all wanna be he will effectivily take the long way around to spend more money, aquire sub-par equipment with little or no working warrenty and zero customer service. my way is cheaper, and if he goes to an authorized dealer for what ever product he decides to buy he will end up with an actual car audio system, not just two subs in the trunk. it will sound like music, not speakers playing music, because thats what professional know how gets you, for the same or less money. ebay doesn't guarantee product. a dealer does. that is fact.
soundmasta: Don't you think your side is SLIGHTLY biased? You must acknowledge that there ARE arguments, value being one of them, for buying online. Just about everything you said was either a gross overstatement, biased, or simply arrogant. soundmasta wrote:
look boxmaker85...my point is if he follows the advice of some web surfing, i read a book and noow i know it all wanna be
First, this put down is flatly uncalled for. Why do you feel the need to do this? If you want to start this game, some of the web surfing, book reading people that post on forums like these are smarter than many, "authorized dealers." Anyway, I don't want to get into a fight about this. But simply because someone doesn't work in the industry does NOT mean that they're dumb. soundmasta wrote:
he will effectivily take the long way around to spend more money, aquire sub-par equipment
This is also biased, and in many cases flatly and very wrong if the buyer does his homework. I've spent plenty of money in my day at authorized retailers. You know what, my best system is the one I have right now, which was bought almost primarily though online retailers and ebay. I saved over $1000. soundmasta wrote:
little or no working warrenty and zero customer service
True, unauthorized retailers don't offer a manufacturer warranty or customer service. First, I've never had an item bought through an unauthorized retailer fail. For all the horror stories out there, the vast majority of online transactions still must be successful - or people would stop ebaying! People know about the risk associated with buying from unauthorized dealers. This information is factored into the price. Some folks are more risk averse than others, who are you to criticize the more risk averse buyers of the world? soundmasta wrote:
if he goes to an authorized dealer for what ever product he decides to buy he will end up with an actual car audio system, not just two subs in the trunk. it will sound like music, not speakers playing music
This is just laughable. How arrogant are you that you think every consumer that makes their own buying decisions ends up with a crappy system? Shoot, I've heard some downright awful sounding systems from authorized dealers. Compare these folks to the ones that bought online. I might argue that these people BOTH wasted a lot of money by buying "authorized" AND have a terrible sounding system. Aren't these people worse off than the ebayer that learned a valuable lesson, but saved himself some money? Think about it. Anyway, I really don't want to argue that, many times a dealer CAN help. All I hope to make you see is that these sort of generalizations cut both ways. soundmasta wrote:
ebay doesn't guarantee product. a dealer does. that is fact.
Well, that is partially correct. Depending on the buyer and what representations they make, and whether you buy with a credit card, there is a very good chance you'll be totally protected from a DOA product. Contacts made online are just as good as contracts made with a brick and mortar retailer. The content of the contract is another story. Authorized dealers will generally have better terms, but that is missing the point. Who are you to tell someone else how much premium value to assign to the "authorized warranty?" Should I pay 10% premium for the warranty? 20% 50% 70%? SURELY you see that the amount different people are willing to pay will vary. Shouldn't part of this equation match the premium with the risk? What's my max risk if I buy a $200 shipped amplifier from ebay? $200. There's what, a 10% chance something will go wrong? More than likely if something is to go wrong it will happen at the beginning of the ownership period. Unless they sold me the product "as is" there's a chance I'll get some money back. To me this is an acceptable risk. So, I have $200 sunk, 10% failure risk minus some x% chance that I'll be able to recover. Who are you to tell me that this is too great of a risk? I'm not trying to start a fight, I just want to make you realize that there's another side to the proverbial coin to just about every issue, and this is no exception. Make your recommendations and gently remind us about online risks and the benefits of going authorized, but don't put people down for trying to help others meet their budget or buying online. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 3:20 PM
Great post by krf01..I was going to comment, but you pretty much covered everything.
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Posted By: boxmaker85
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 3:28 PM
no beef soundmasta but I was just trying to say what kfr01 said. Just b/c you're an authorized dealer doesn't mean crap. I know some installers that would recomend getting the best of the best for your car and some that say some punch z's are some of the best subs to use. And just b/c you carry all that stuff doesn't mean crap either. I was at sound advice the other day and this guy said the two 12w3v2 would kill the one 13w7 he had hooked up. I couldn't believe what he just said. Comparing a budget sub to a $1000ish sub is crazy. Anyways. Not being a pissant or anything but yeah you can easily get a better deal online. And no given this guy can't go to a dealer and be like "my system sounds wierd can you tell me what's wrong?" but once again some research and talking to people to expand your knowledge of car audio will (IMO) make your experience better b/c you know what's wrong and can fix it yourself. I myself learned so much off this site and talking to peple and looking at other systems that when I built my first fg box and installed my stereo so many people are asking me if I'm going to competitions w/ it. And from the sound of it this guy's already made his decision so there's nothing left to debate or talk about!
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 5:01 PM
talk about the box i need. lol.
Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 7:39 PM
O.k...meef is probobly educated on online buying now, but what happended to the topic "system on a tight budget"?
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 8:32 PM
meef]t wrote:
o i know yall will say to go have a custom box made, or make one myself, would this qlogic box i was looking at be good?
ARS QLH12512DE
1.25ft^3 Internal Volume
15.75"H x 32"W
15.75 bottom x 9.25 top depth
i dont know any more of the specs on it, but would that be ok/decent for them?
Sorry, partially my fault for getting off track here, but I was slightly annoyed. Meef. Is that box for 2 subs, or is the 1.25ft^3 the volume of each chamber? If the volume of each chamber it will work, if the total box volume it is way too small for 2 shivas. Check out the Shiva Sealed Application PDF on the adireaudio.com site for more information about the recommended box sizes. 1.25ft^3 per sub is pretty good for the shiva for car audio. The shiva is NOT a small sealed box subwoofer. If you need significantly smaller than 1.25ft^3 per sub you should either look at only buying 1 shiva or buying a different subwoofer. 1.25ft^3 is in the range of one of the "High Q" designs the pdf talks about. Check it out. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: meef
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 10:36 PM
the 1.25ft^3 is for the dual enclosure, but ill check to be sure on if s for the chamber or not. errr wait, if it was 1.25ft^3 for each chamber, thatd just be like a foot and a half wide for the whole box right? (i dont know thing one about box sizes)
Posted By: soundmasta
Date Posted: December 02, 2004 at 7:28 AM
look guys, im not trying to be a jerk....just assertive. the onl;y reason i mentionedthat i was a dealer and have had experience with many different products is to better explain that im not suggesting kicker just because a buddy has it and it's loud, and i don't like another brand just because a local shop doesn't carry it, but because i have actual field time with all this equipment and know their capabilities. also you can learn important aspects of car audio online, the internet is a wonderful learning tool. i still probably spend at least an hour a day picking up random info of helpful sites, just like randy rhodes (famous ozzy ozbourne guitar player in the 80's) took lessons every day of his life because you can always learn, but nothing replaces actual experience. some shops are a rip off, and thats too bad vecause it gives the rest of us a bad name. i still wish you guys would see al the benifits of dealer services. you're all being just as one sided as me.
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Date Posted: December 02, 2004 at 7:36 AM
meef, i think those shivas would probably work good in a vented box. find one online that matches up with the T/S specs. if the manufactuer has reccomened sizes choose the mid sized one if it will fit in your car. once you get the box, cover the ports with chicken wire or some kind of mesh, and put what looks like a little too much, (more than 50%) pollyfill. and add more or less to your personal tastes untill a that bass is as low and smooth as you like. -------------
Posted By: soundmasta
Date Posted: December 02, 2004 at 8:07 AM
boxmaker85 wrote:
I was at sound advice the other day and this guy said the two 12w3v2 would kill the one 13w7 he had hooked up. I couldn't believe what he just said. Comparing a budget sub to a $1000ish sub is crazy. !
reading that made me think on a comp i was at. my shop had an 02 eclipse with a kicker solo x 18 and 2400 watts, very rough system because it was only about 1/3 of the way finished. we just wanted to test it. any way, we went up vs. an older hatchback mustang with 2 13w7's and almost twice as much power, it was close but we edged it out by almost 1 db. just thought that might be interesting. -------------
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