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Everything is good except your HU and your Subs - I hate kenwood head units because i think they sound like crap. they don't break at all though! Very sturdy, but not very clean sound. I would get a Alpine, Premier, or a Nakamichi head unit. I hate MA audio subs because they are korean crap that is just horrible... I have seen more of those blow up than i have anything else. For the same money or less, you can get Rockford Fosgate HX2's which will pound a whole lot harder, or Adire Audio's Shiva Subwoofers. Other than that, MB Quart is fantastic stuff as well as some of the Planet stuff. Wire is wire so that really doesn't matter! Make a couple modifications and youll be blasting!

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

well considering that kenwood is one of the best sounding decks out there. (for our city lmao) its prolly the best sounding deck for that price (399$ on sale) calvin at krazy kileys dealt with me, and i trust him for everything and he's been in the business for over 10 yrs. (i believe). the subs are unbelievable. they pound like nothing i have ever heard before. the custom made (basic) box i made for them is awesome, and in fact they can do 139.6db's on the scale. so i wouldnt want anything else. and that was even on a RF 400s amp. just imagine those subs on the VX900D. i'll have to upgrade my wireing from 4aug to 2aug i think i'm not sure. and then i think i'm gonna add a stinger CAP. just to be extra safe :)

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xTimx

setup looks good, kenwood is fine (and I've seen kenwood systems do pretty well in sq competition) ma audio isn't that bad, I've played with a few of their products and haven't had any major problems, and they seem to have a good support staff

Well for $250 you could have gotten a Nakamichi Head Unit (CD-400) and it is a far better HU than any Kenwood. Ask anyone that . I nearly crapped myself laughing at $399 on sale! lol. My opinion stands on the MA's ... they suck! lol Everyone has their own opinion though!

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

Calvin has been at this for well over ten years man. Personally I wouldnt touch the planet amp but thats simply based on bad experiences with their old stuff. I have been told the new stuff is better but old habbits die hard. While I dont like kenwood decks personally, they arent that bad, however you can get better sounding decks in the city for less money, gaurentee it. If you are hapy with your subs than thats all that matters, and your speakers are a good choice as far as I am concerened.

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer

Yeah kenwood hu's are good, not the best, but good. I wouldn't do anything else in kenwood but their hu's are some nice stuff (price taken into concideration). Had one in my previous truck. Gave a good sound to my speakers. Just my $.02

Headunit: Good

Front speakers: Great

Rear Speakers: Great

Amps: Never had them so no comment there.

Subs: Well I'm biased there. Just look at my forum name.

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2004 Mazda 3s Hatchback
2- MTX 4500 8" subs powered by MTX 251D

Listen, just because someone has done something for 10 years does not mean they know what they're talking about. Calvin is trying to make money off of you. That's it. And he did. Way too much. No Kenwood is worth $399 even w/o a sale. They're not particularly bad, but definitely not worth that money. The speakers are great (check my sig), dunno about the subs.

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2009 Pontiac G8 in planning stage
HU: ?
Speakers: ?
Amps: ?

you could have got that CD-400 off of ebay for like $250 + shipping with a full warrantee... Nak head units are way way way way better than Kenwood anyday.

damn it uthinkuknoaudio. i dont have any money for that kinda stuff. and i have never worked with e-bay before though, AND i dont have a credit card # either, so thats out of the Q.

calvin i have known for a long time now, and he would not jip me out a deck or an amp or any speakers, and i think that goes for everyone out there as well. (in regina). he knows what he's doin. i reccommend him to anyone in regina. (that is if they dont know him already) but ya. thats my 2cents! :P

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xTimx

Sorry, but your friend ripped you off. I agree with what was said above, no kenwood hu is worth $399. And by the way, you don't need a credit card for ebay. Try money orders or personal cheques! I pay with them all the time and ebay is very efficient with their products. It shouldn't be out of the question. I'd sell that thing and get what you can for it and buy the nak, which his $150 less and 50 times better. Sorry if you find this bad, but it is the honest truth. And that is my 2cents. :P

Ok like said above just because someone has been in business 10 years dosn't mean they will have the best recomendaations in the city. Personally I wouldn't spend $400 on a kenwood deck when you could get a headunit by another brand that is just as good and get better amps or speakers instead. Maybe something like the Eclipse 3424, 3434, or Alpine CDA-9830. Any of these should blow the Kenmore deck away.

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Nice set up, all i have to say is buy a alarm before you have anything installed. if you wonder y that is just look thru the other forums for other peps experiences aye. But thats just my oppinion.

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~* Cheer Nat *~
Pioneer DEH-7650MP
Pioneer TS-C160R
Pioneer TS-A6990S
Pioneer GM-6000F 4ch Amp
Audiobahn AW120T 12" Sub
Pioneer GM-D510M Mono Amp
AERPRO 1F Capacitor

Looks fine; however, you did overpay for the kenwood (by at least 100$). If your happy with it just go on, no regrets : ) Kenwoods not crap, its middle of the road like so many other head units and in a blind listening session I'd bet next-to no one could tell the difference from it and a more prestigious name brand.

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What will you get for Christmas, bad boy? Coal........or Visonik?? - stevdart

Wow, is everyone clueless and lost in the dark? - uthinkuknoaudio

Wat I think? I think that this will be an okay stereo when its done. Also to everybody, He did not overpay for his HU, Since it has a CANADIAN M.S.R.P. of $479.99, No, it is obviously not a top of the line piece, but it will work, right? MB Quart is susposed to be a good quality product, I don't really know MB, however I would have strongly chosen components rather than coaxial. I also don't know the Planet Audio lineup. But the amps that you have chosen compare equaly to the demands of the speakers that you have selected. The subwoofers shouldn't be bad, they are about middle of the MA audio subwoofer series. For the wiring, Stinger really doesn't mean anything, as many popular companies carry a wide range of products from beginner to High quality. etc. Another thing is that I notice that this is a budget install, where you had to spend within your limits. Obviously if you had more money you would have purchased a better Head Unit, Speakers, and amps, etc. Oh ya, Good point Nat_87, you should really concider purchasing a quality alarm of some sort aswell. The cost of this install is already equal to or greater than the the value of the vehicle its going into. Many of these posters are Serious audiophiles whos stereos are way better than yours but also cost more aswell, so don't feel bad at all. Everybody starts off somewhere and works their way up. Oh ya, have fun with your new stereo. Thats wat I'm thinking.

Dude, i live in the us but i know canadian currency very well. He still spent about $300 american and more with tax, when he could have gotten a much better head unit for less.

Well really wen it all simmers down, does it play in the formats of files that he wants, does it have the features that were sufficient for him and does he like what he got. It really doesnt matter if you think he got ripped or got a crap h.u. if he is happy then thats all that matters, and yes there is always something bigger and better out there. It really just depends on your own preferences on brands etc etc. So yea, just mi thoughts anyways...

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~* Cheer Nat *~
Pioneer DEH-7650MP
Pioneer TS-C160R
Pioneer TS-A6990S
Pioneer GM-6000F 4ch Amp
Audiobahn AW120T 12" Sub
Pioneer GM-D510M Mono Amp
AERPRO 1F Capacitor

given, the kenwood in question is only a mid-level unit. but units in the kenwood excelon line will rival almost anything out there! yep, check out the burrbrown 24 bit dac's, the 5v/80 ohm preouts, etc...

certainly the nak is a fine sound quality unit although not "top-of-the-line". ive owned several of the finest sounding head units out there, i.e. sony cdx-c90, denon dcr-950. the '04 kenwood excelons do very well when compared with these sq legends, and do it with a phenomenal feature set and equalization.

with the nak you might as well be using a god forsaken blaupunkt as far as ergonomics, cosmetics and feature set!

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MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!

Name one head unit that can stand up to a CD-700ii by nakamichi... oh yeah, no such head unit exists!

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

oh-by the way, you must have told ol' calvin you had just over 400 bucks in your pocket and he got every cent he could. the kdc-mp625 is almost identical on bestbuy's website @$279.99.

AND...the highly sought after excelon equivalent of this model woudl be the kdc-x679 and I sell this in my store all day long at $349.99 w/ installation labor.

plus, on the excelon you get...3 sets 5 volt/80 ohm preouts, 24 bit burrbrown processing, parametric equalization, more crossover frequencies, and a 2 year warranty.

lets see that on your nak, blau, eclipse, alpine, pioneer, clarion, fosgate, jvc, pana, or sony @ the price point. you won't!

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MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!

OK, I gotta get back into to this. This is why I hate ebay. It totally destroys peoples perception of retail. Xtimx lives in Canada so he is dealing in Canadian Dollars. The Kenwood deck in question does infact have a retail of 480 Canadian. He bought from an AUTHORIZED LOCAL DEALER, something that to me is worth a lot. If he has a problem he just has to take a trip down to the local store to get a hand (even though I think the particular shop he is dealing with is shady). The Salesman he is talking to is someone I know personally and very customer driven. Obviously he needs to make his paycheck, but he in no way screwed over the customer in question. When you guys start comparing products offered on Ebay to retail stores than of course the price in the stores is almost always going to be more. Its because it costs alot more money to deal products out of a store than online. If you own a store then you must pay staff, building rent, power, gas, water, property tax etc. This is why the products are worth more. Someone who sells online has the cost of his computer and packaging. So basically everything he makes above cost is profit. There are some e-sellers that are exceptions but for the most part they are exactly that, an artificial dealer. Most have very little customer service, have little actual information if you have a question about a product, cant usually tell you any info thats not printed on the damn box, cant go out to your car and tell you if what you are looking at is the best for your situation, doesnt have to face you so they are generally shameless, if you have a problem it is a way bigger problem to deal with some one who is 2000 miles away as opposed to a five minute drive, and finally wont offer any help on the install side of things. I gaurentee you that if XTimx has a problem setting something like the clock on his deck, he can run down to the store and the salesperson will be more than happy to go out and help him out, regardless of whether or not its minus 30 out. If he bought it online he could email the seller and its a good bet the response would be something along the lines of " Read your manual". Also if he wants a second opinion on his amp settings or if he has it set and wants help because it doesnt sound quite right, the salesman will be willing to go out to the car and give it a listen and give him advice if he has any, the e-seller cannot provide this service. Finally if he puts that amp in his car and it doesnt preform as well as what he thought it would he can probally go back and trade that amp in and buy a better amp and just return the old one, some e-sellers will do that but almost all say that once its installed it cant be returned for any reason and even if you can you have to deal with shipping times and the possibility of lost packages in the mail. And if the salesman is not willing to do everything I just said than he should go buy a computer and start selling on ebay, because he is usless to me. Im done with this

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer

I cant believe that you are gonna compare a nak deck to a kenwood deck. I have no problem with kenwood, it has its place in the food chain, but is no where near the level of a nak. If you wanna dispute this do a very simple and very telling test. Throw the manuals out the window and listen to them side by side. The Nak will sound better every time and thats what matters in the end as far as I am concerned. I agree that the kenwood deck has way more options, I personally feel that nak decks look far better than ANY deck kenwood has ever produced. I have done the side by side, I suggest you do the same. BTW I am MECP certified and have about 5 years experience as well so I am not some kid with not clue. I suggest you try this some time.

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer

raven- as a mobile electronics store manager i couldnt agree more with all of your points on the added customer service @ a bricks-and-mortar establishment, but regardless of this added benefit to the customer, tim was overcharged for this unit.

uthinkuknow- or i mean "ithinkiknow", how about the sony mobile es cdx-c90, or without a doubt the alpine f#1 status piece would blow the nak out the water as far as sound q specs. these are both very pricy units as im sure the nak 700ii is. the excelons start with 24 bit processing @ a $259 full msrp on the kdc-x579. and on top of all this i dont feel like im operating and looking at a pos. i'll be honest, that nak looks like the back-of-my-balls. i will admit that i havent seen the backside in quite sometime, but i gaurantee ya, it aint pretty

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MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!

I think going by looks is a very bad idea because that is strictly a personal preference. As I said I think the Nak units look far better than the kenwood decks. Like I said Canadian retail lists the deck at 80 dollars higher than what he paid so I feel he didnt get screwed. I can also say that, while i wont say exactly what it is, I do know that that stores cost on that deck is just over 300 dollars canadian so if they made 25% than thats a fair deal.

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer

Kenwood = middle of the line = you can do better for the money, unless all you want is dancing animations and a 40000 EQ bands and uneeded adjustments.

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I agree with you ravenderat, Nak is in another league than Kenwood. Those specs mean crap when you sit them down side by side. I LOVE the way Nak HU's look, because kenwoods and all those other flashy things are screaming STEAL ME!! And for those of you who were on here yesterday we heard about how some guy got his stuff stolen! Nak hu's look like a stock unit or they can, because they have special options on them that you can manually adjust. I know not of this head unit that is an alpine that can beat a 700ii, and i highly doubt it lives up to the hype. I bet if you sat it down next to the 700ii, the nak would whoop its but like a stepchild. Here are the specs for the Nak: posted_image

Preamplifier section
Frequency Response	15 - 30,000 Hz ±1 dB (AUX to Pre Out)
Total Harmonic Distortion	0.001% (1 kHz)
AUX Input Level/Impedance	1 V/10 kohms
CDC Input Level/Impedance	1 V/10 kohms
Output Level	5 V Tone Controls
Bass	20 Hz ±12 dB
Mid	1 kHz ±9 dB
Treble	20 kHz ±6 dB

FM tuner section
Frequency Range
U.S.A	87.5 - 107.9 MHz in 100-kHz steps
Other Area	87.5 - 108.0 MHz in 50-kHz steps
Sensitivity	15 dBf (IHF)
Signal-to-Noise Ratio	60 dB (Mono)
Stereo Separation	35 dB
Antenna Input	75 ohms (Unbalanced)

AM tuner section
Frequency Range
U.S.A	530 - 1,710 kHz in 10-kHz steps
Other Area	531 - 1,602 kHz in 9-kHz steps
Sensitivity	32 dB
Signal-to-Noise Ratio	45 dB

CD player section
System	Compact Disc digital audio
Error Correction	CIRC Principle
Sampling Frequency	44.1 kHz
D/A Converter Type	24-bit D/A converter with 8-times oversampling digital filter
Frequency Response	20 - 20,000 Hz±1 dB
Signal-to-Noise Ratio	Better than 105 dB
Dynamic Range	Better than 100 dB
Total Harmonic Distortion	0.003% (1 kHz)

General
Power Source	14.4 V DC, negative ground
Current Consumption	2.5 A
Installation dimensions (W x H x D)
Main unit	178 x 50 x 159.5 mm
	7 x 1-15/16 x 6-1/4 inches
Outer dimensions (W x H x D)
Main unit	178 x 46* x 177.8 mm
	7 x 1-15/16* x 7 inches
Power supply unit	137 x 31.2 x 85 mm
	5-3/8 x 1-1/4 x 3-3/8 inches
Mass
Main unit	Approx. 1.6 kg / 3 lbs. 8 oz.
Power supply unit	Approx. 0.5 kg / 1 lbs. 2 oz.

Now look at that sound q, that distortion level, that power rating at 5 volts that your so concerned about, and tell me that that Alpine can beat this, because if you do, your lying to yourself. This is by far the best head unit out. Undisputable. I love Sony's old hu's as well, but they still can't compare to nakamichi's...

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

uthinkuknoaudio wrote:

This is by far the best head unit out. Undisputable.

What a foolish statement to make. Thats comparable to someone running around screaming the W7 is the worlds greatest subwoofer. I've got literature from professional reviewers stating things like "the best subwoofer I have ever heard." But so what I've got literature on the 9500 that says "... the MTX 9500 does it all." Does it all? As in does everything perfectly? Beats the w7? Or is the w7 'the best subwoofer you will ever hear?' Hu? Oh, mayyyyybe its subjective! Mayyyybe what looks good on paper does not always translate into *sweet*, *perfect* sound?

And... FFS lets stop arguing about if Nak makes a better head unit then Kenwood, maybe I missed it but I dont think the guy who started the post asked if Nak was better then Kenwood.

Look, xTimx, given that you paid that in Canadian, I dont think you could have gotten much of a better deal. You could have saved a few bucks, sounddomain or crutchfeild, or saved more on ebay or some other questionable place. I think the people who are sl*gging off your kenwood are ridiculous, i stand by my statement that most people could not tell the difference between the two in a blind listening test. Its not a bad headunit, and are YOU happy with it?

As far as the rest: I dont like the 3.5 & coaxials, skip that and get a set of the best components you can afford (forget the 6x9's also, spend that money on other stuff for your system). Use the kicks for the components upfront, try to get 6.5" components. Im not very experienced with the MA's, how much are you looking at paying for them? I can recommend the MTX 7500's, Alpine TypeR and JLw3 is the 200$ (US) per 12" price range. Good luck, if you have other questions I would start another thread, as this one is contaminated.

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What will you get for Christmas, bad boy? Coal........or Visonik?? - stevdart

Wow, is everyone clueless and lost in the dark? - uthinkuknoaudio

its only a good deal if you like what you got...and if you are happy then its not a bad deal...personally i don't think that anyone out there who feels the need to ask others what they think of a certain setup will notice the difference between two decks when running all interiors and subs included off of amps...deck power to interiors is another thing...but when you are talking amps...not so much...when you look at it that way...if you like the functionality and the cosmetics...then thats all that matters...if you are happy then i think your set up is perfect for you

Well i said that because it has one every sound quality competition it that nakamichi has every competed it... Nothing even came close to the score that the 700ii had. And no, the W7 isn't the best woofer ever made. That is why it doesn't win every competiton, though it is a great woofer undisputably. Sorry, but Nak makes better head units than any kenwood out there! Wait till you listen to one and then comment back, because i have listened to all the kenwood one's myself.

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

Ok. First, comparing specs of high quality head units is silly. Do you honestly thing that last 0.001%thd makes a nuts worth of difference? Frankly, the specs tell NOTHING about the sound quality on most head units.

The sound quality will largely be a function of the components and design the manufacturer picked. This will lead to subtle changes in sound. Different people will prefer different brands / models. This is true in car audio just as it is in home audio. Some people prefer the sound of Marantz, others Denon.

Generally, more people would agree that Nak will beat Kenwood for SQ. But the spec's don't really tell us that. Some people might end up liking the sound of a high end kenwood, sony, alpine, or clarion better than a Nak.

Anyway .. to whoever started this post: If you like the sound of your kenwood and bought it from a reputable place, paid for a full warranty, etc. I'd stick with it. IF you replace it, replace it because YOUR EARS tell you to. Certainly not because someone on this board tells you to.

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New Project: 2003 Pathfinder

Forget the specs, when you listen to them you'll see that no head unit can stand up against the 700ii. Period.

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

You're comparing apples and oranges. He paid ~400 for his kenwood. Wouldn't the CD400 be more in his price range?

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New Project: 2003 Pathfinder

I know, but never the less, the CD400 would whoop that Kenwood's butt out the ballpark. I have heard all those nak head units and all the kenwoods and the excelon series. the nak 35z, 40, 45z (My baby), 700ii, and 400 are all fantastic hu's. Put them up to an ear test and you'll see the difference.

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

uthinkukno,

You're missing my point: Different head units fit different people's ears and needs.

Frankly some of the reviews I've gotton on the CD400 say it has skipping problems, has a smooth warm sound, and a very limited feature set.

I agree with whoever said it earlier: to say something is ALWAYS right or the best is foolish.

What if the buyer prefers a more bright or crisp sound? What if he or she prefers an even smoother sound? What if he wants more functionality? Doesn't want to deal with potential skipping problems?

Anyway. I have nothing wrong with people telling others WHY they like their stuff. But try to describe WHY instead of just saying, "OMG! MY STUFF PWNS YOUR CHOICE ALWAYS! YOU GOT RIPPED OFF."

For example, what did you like about the sound? How, using subjective descriptive words, would you compare the nak sound to the higher end kenwoods?

Was it just cleaner? Could you actually hear the distortion on the kenwood? I doubt it.

Don't get me wrong. I AM NOT arguing about what brands are better, I'm sure nak is just dandy. What I AM saying is that just telling us that your stuff is elite does nothing to help.

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New Project: 2003 Pathfinder

Ya, this thread totally got high jacked and I am definatly part of that problem, and for that I appologize. This goes to XTimx. I think I am gonna agree with what someone said on the last page. I wouldnt use the 3.5's esspecially since in the past you kept blowing them. Invest in a good set of 6.5 components and put them in kickpods. If this means you cant afford the 6x9's right now, then thats fine, add them latter down the road. This is something where I dont think comprimise is in your best intrest. I think you will be far happier with pods than the little pissers, er I mean speakers in the dash.

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer

dude you don't give up do you uthink? This is a forum. You give people you're advice and make a comment or two maybe afterwords. But it's pointless to keep on and on and on with it. I bet this guy's already made his decision on it and is either installed it and enjoying it or is taking it back for another. So this post can now stop the pointless debating as to who is the better hu ok?

Ravendarat wrote:

I think I am gonna agree with what someone said

kfr01] wrote:

br>I agree with whoever

Jezus, where nobody remembers your name...

A wise man once said, "hey, ya know, I get no respect." ; )

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What will you get for Christmas, bad boy? Coal........or Visonik?? - stevdart

Wow, is everyone clueless and lost in the dark? - uthinkuknoaudio

^^^^^ I agree with whatever what'shisname said. ;)

lol .. Sorry heavymed and timx, this one did get rather off topic, didn't it?

Let me ask you this, as no one asked you this yet, although it should have been the first question:

Where do you feel the weak points of your system are? Does it ever disappoint you?

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New Project: 2003 Pathfinder

Just wanted to throw this in because I used 5 minutes of my own time on it today - I called over to my nearest Kenwood dealer - which happens to be in Canada (I live in the U.S.) - and the price he gave me without hesitation is $429.99 Canadian dollars, which at today's exchange rate is $362.18 U.S. dollars, before taxes. I say if you paid $399.99 ($336.45 U.S.) at a local dealer you got a deal.

Other than that, if it pleases your eyes and ears, than yes it's the right hu for you, no matter what any other yay-hoo says.

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You'd better get me out of this lord... or else you'll have me to deal with. -- Hunter S. Thompson "F.A.L.I.L.V."

i was under the original assumption that you were asking about these components because you were considering buying them... and wanted advice from others....

but it sounds like you already bought this gear.... and are seeking only self-affirmation that you bought good gear...... what do you care what anyone else here thinks of the particular products that you purchased? if you are happy with what you paid and the SQ then isn't what someone else thinks somewhat academic??

if you like how it sounds and are happy, then be happy....why depress yourself listening to the opinions of others who would have bought this or that..... if there is a particular component that you feel is the weak link in your chain, replace it... if you feel it sounds great, enjoy........

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

(gets knocked to the floor) holy smokes. damn guys, talk about hot! :P lol simmer down everyone, and take some midal.
i DO have the 3.5" mb's AND the 6x9's they sound great.
i DID bought the deck and i couldnt be more than happy with it, looks and sound wise. i do listen to alot of various stuff for music. and the harmonics for some of the songs are unbelievable. since i have no job. i cant afford the amps right now.
as for the nak thing. i dont think you can get nak in regina. not as far as i know anyways.
thanks for all the input people! :P :)

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xTimx

If you happy with your head unit that is all that matters. I still thank you got ripped of tremendously, but you believe otherwise. I affirm the fact that it was not worth that at all and you could have got the CD-400 for cheaper and had a better HU. I still can't believe this post has been ressurrected...

but anyways, MB's are great speakers and i highly recommend them. Just be nice to them and they will be nice to you. Oh, you can get nak shipped to canada. They sell the CD-400 on woofersetc.com . Its a great head unit, and i recommend it to anyone that loves SQ!

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.