dual audio?
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Topic: dual audio?
Posted By: ricetech
Subject: dual audio?
Date Posted: December 12, 2004 at 7:40 PM
my friend saw dual audio amps at best buy and i had never heard of them. he got one and said it was cleaner than his clarion. however for 70 bucks i cant believe that. anybody know anything?
thanks
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Posted By: sbcaprice305
Date Posted: December 12, 2004 at 7:53 PM
dual = poo poo for the most part
Posted By: ricetech
Date Posted: December 12, 2004 at 7:56 PM
thats what i was thinkin, they sounded like another bolt audio type of product.
Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: December 12, 2004 at 8:01 PM
Yeah dual is pretty much crap. Pep boys carries it to, they have a line of "Illuminite" speakers and subs that have blue neon lights on them...I guess someone is trying to outdo audiobahn in the tacky marketing gimmick department. I have heard the dual 12" subs ion the bandpass box. Sounds like crapppppp.
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: December 12, 2004 at 8:01 PM
Dual used to be a very highly respected German company, but they went bankrupt in 2001. A Korean company (Namsung ) purchased the rights to use the name and anything you see today with the name "Dual" on it is very low-end. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: December 12, 2004 at 8:02 PM
Tell him to turn the gains down on that clarion....it'll sound better.lol ------------- I need quality equipment, feel free to donate.
Posted By: ricetech
Date Posted: December 12, 2004 at 8:05 PM
well if people buy the fast and the furious subs, nitrous... then i'm sure there will be hondas out there sportin cool little subs with blue neon.
Posted By: ricetech
Date Posted: December 12, 2004 at 8:06 PM
Maxst: i would but the idiot sold his clarion.
Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: December 12, 2004 at 8:32 PM
imo, , the dual is proolly better than clarion, , but thats just me, cuz i hate clarion.  ------------- 2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
Posted By: dantemc
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 12:07 AM
i sell clarion and dual. i think dual is an ok product, but its a low line. i carry clarion pro audio, which is one of my high lines, but the regular clarion amps are very low line as well. ha, i think my cost on their 400 watt mono amp is under a $100, ha. so it could be possible that the dual sounds better.
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 7:35 AM
DYohn] wrote:
ual used to be a very highly respected German company, but they went bankrupt in 2001. A Korean company (Namsung ) purchased the rights to use the name and anything you see today with the name "Dual" on it is very low-end.
Interesting to find out the history on that. I had a Dual turntable years ago, which was eventually stolen. I also had a Sansui amp.......and lately when shopping for a cheap TV I found the name Sansui again, but was disappointed to find out that the great Japanese manufacturer also went out of business. The name was bought by the international conglomerate Orion, which looks to be a part of this group, https://www.thakral.com/aboutus/index.html
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 12:54 PM
Ah, Sansui. A truly great manufacturer at one time. I'd love to have an AU-111 amplifier. They retreated from the US market in the 1990's largely because of sales pressure from Sony and JVC, and the original company went belly-up in I believe 2001. They are still around and still owned by the Japanese, manufacturing and selling products mainly in India these days. The link to the Thrakal Group is one of their main distribution channels, although I don't know if they control manufacturing. I understand that Sears (AKA K-mart) has signed a distribution deal with them to bring some of the Indian products into the US. I haven't tested any so can't speak to the current quality. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 4:38 PM
Wow, you said AU-111. That's the integrated amp that I owned...bought it in the service BX in Italy in early 1977, shipped it back with my luggage, and used it for years. It had a retail of $700+ and I think my price was well over $400. Finally a channel went out (could have been my fault as I didn't comprehend ohm load at the time). I had it stored in the attic for a long time and now I'm extremely embarrassed to admit I threw it in the trash in a clean-up frenzy. While investigating the Sansui brand (after buying the TV), I read that the AU-111 is worth $250 and up, working or not. I am such an idiot. Just another of the many things one learns in an audio forum like this. Btw, the TV was $169 at Best Buy (27") and has a great picture. A lot of bang for the buck. For quite some time, I had that amp, the ESS Tempest speakers, Nakamichi cassette deck and a Dual turntable with a Shure V-15 type III cartridge. Didn't know what I had....
Posted By: dedlyjedly
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 4:43 PM
yeah, the local bestbuy was whoring the illuminite combo meal out for their t-day sale. we saw about a half dozen customers that got the blue lighted 12" bandpass w/ dual amp for $129.99! we've got a new best buy and their new install staff is questionable to say the least so we see a lot of their cheapo product like this. we've upgraded a couple of the customers after explaining that there was nothing more the adjustment knobs or install coudl do for the system. i just cant believe how many 50 dollar installs and 50 dollar amp kits we sold on the deal! no mouie bueno! ------------- MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!
Posted By: Chad7n7
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 12:19 AM
Gotta love those 129.99 dollars get ups, with a 79.99 dollar amp to complete the setup, brought to the shop for an install that some expect miracles, you get the pleasure of some trying to discredit the install as the problem for the get up sounding so badly, lol, what a crock!!
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Posted By: Chad7n7
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 12:20 AM
oops, almost forgot to mention the 29.99 dollar, manual eject cd player!!!
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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 6:00 PM
My oops above. Just in case anybody saw that I claimed to have owned a Sansui AU-111 and then threw it away.....I remembered the model number wrong. I had this one the AU-11000. Whew! I should have been shot if I threw that great old tube amp in the trash!
Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 8:27 PM
Are most tube amps pretty nice, because I know someone that has two or three that are integrated amps, that arn't in use. They were probobly made in the 70s but I cannot remember the model and brand name of them.
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 8:39 PM
The integrated amps of the mid and late 70's were post-tube era. They had solid state electronics. I had the belief in'76 when I got that Sansui that "integrated" meant that the amp and preamp were combined, but they didn't have a tuner (which would actually have made them receivers). Do you know that your friend's integrated amps have tubes?
Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 9:37 PM
I know for sure they have tubes so they must have been made in the late 70s then.
Posted By: audiobass10
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 10:57 PM
I believe Dual just bought out Jensen..if that tells you anything.
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Posted By: mobile1
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 11:13 PM
i know the dual line and jensen are extremely similar if not the same thing. I hate them both.
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: December 16, 2004 at 9:32 AM
Audiobass10, what does a company buying another company have to do with anything? Are you saying that just because a previously highly respected company buys a company of questionable products, the previously respectable company becomes, in and of themselves, questionable? The fact that Dual may or may not have bought Jensen (or the other way around) tells me nothing. Dual was a fine company, back in the day; they just happen to be pretty crappy now, all of their own accord. It matters not who owns them.
I guess anybody that owns a Jaguar, you'd better get rid of IT, cause Ford builds such WONDERFUL cars... (Please note the dripping sarcasm...)
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It all reminds me of something that Moličre once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: dedlyjedly
Date Posted: December 16, 2004 at 3:56 PM
hey hempphest ownership can and does have a lot to do with the quality of item a manufacturer produces. as dyohn said, dual changed hands at the corporate level and fell off the radar. usually it goes the other way around though. typically corporation try to acquire brands simply for that, the brand name. i.e. rockford corp acquiring mb quart and qlogic, and dei buying out orion and dei. sometimes daily operations at the newly acquired business will experience minimal change, other times, the production facilities are shut down alltogethor or moved and all that remains of the brand is the name itself ------------- MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!
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