Phoenix Gold mono Amps
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Topic: Phoenix Gold mono Amps
Posted By: wayland1985
Subject: Phoenix Gold mono Amps
Date Posted: December 19, 2004 at 6:15 PM
Does anybody know which of the new Phoenix Gold amplifiers are the Higher Quality versions? Octane-R or Xenon?
Also, do these new Phoenix Gold amps compare to the older Titanium series???
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~WAYLAND
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Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: December 19, 2004 at 6:20 PM
Xenon are the higher end of those 2
Xenon has 'new features' but i would choose a Ti personally.
Posted By: wayland1985
Date Posted: December 19, 2004 at 6:25 PM
The Titaniums are too hard to find brand new...
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~WAYLAND
Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: December 19, 2004 at 7:08 PM
i was just answering your second question, i wasnt including availability as a factor.
but you are right they are harder. if you can find a retailer that offers phoenix gold, i would bet they could special order one in for you, if your really that hard up for one
Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: December 19, 2004 at 7:12 PM
https://www.koby-international.com/Products/Product.asp?sel=50,15
what i did was goto phoenix golds website, type in a zipcode, put the distance to search in, and whatever comes up, take the company name do a google search and hope they have a website. and go from their.
the koby international website has the 800.1 and 1200.1 hth
Posted By: blg748
Date Posted: December 19, 2004 at 9:45 PM
Honestly your second best bet is EBAY they have quite a few in. IF you live in the US its great the stores on ebay that sell them will give you a 1 year warranty i know its not the 3 years that PG would give you if you buy from authorized dealer but its better than not finding one. Ti amps can put out a lot of clean power they hardly break down. They are expensive. Honestly DO NOT BUY OCTANE R or XENON they are both crap even the retailer i went to in town reccomend me to buy a amp off ebay because i was looking for a TI he had one but it was 500.4 and wanted 700..anywys all the new pg amps are made in CHINA the TANTRUM and TITANIUMS were built in the US. Their quality and dependability is greater. just buy a TITANIUM off of ebay its your best choice. I treid many stores in town and in provice for a PH TI400.2 i couldnt find one so i bought it off ebay.
Posted By: wayland1985
Date Posted: December 20, 2004 at 12:30 PM
Big748 really turned me off to the new stuff from phoenix gold. I've always heard excellent things about Phoenix Gold's Titanium amps, and figured these new generation amplifiers would be just as good. I'll search around ebay (even though I'd much rather shoot for the 3 year warranty, since i have bad luck with amps) for some titaniums.
I never really was "that hard up for one" i just heard they were a good choice. I'll probably start looking back into Memphis, JL Audio (even though JL is over priced in my eyes) and maybe some others.. Any other suggestions?
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~WAYLAND
Posted By: Francious70
Date Posted: December 21, 2004 at 12:19 AM
As a person who ownes PG amps let me clue you in on what's up with the new Xenon line.
The Xenon amps are completely new from the ground up, board and everything. The Ti amps where built on an existing model. The problem with the new Xenon amps is just that, new design, so there is bound to be some problems. Still not every Xenon amp is a dud, only a few.
PG is still, IMO, one of the higher-end company's out there. And for PG related questions, this forum is PG's official forum.
Paul
Posted By: dedlyjedly
Date Posted: December 29, 2004 at 5:10 PM
yeah, i carry phoenix gold as my primary high-end offering for amplifiers. Although I do own a ti 600.2 and plan on getting a few more for my "pipedream", i have no reservations whatsoever about recommending the xenon series. these amps maintained most of the nice circuitry (triple darlington) that pg has become synonomous with. if youre familiar with pg, the tantrum and titanium lineups from 2003 were merged toether into one line, the xenon as you now know them. the advantage to the customer is that youre getting most of the sq from the titanium at a drastic price reduction. i have sold many, many pg amps this year and have had fairly minimal problems with any. i just sent my first xenon amp to pg for warranty repair in fact! the amp was stuck in protection. (and even in that case, it was for one of my customers that is known for abusing equipment, he's running multiple x1200.1's and its still not loud enough for him!) unless your consider yourself a tweak when it comes to car audio, the xenon is the best value in an amp phoenix gold has ever released. the only drawback i could see would be the larger physical size of them. if you need a good deal on a xenon 600.1 or 1200.1 you just let me know. ------------- MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!
Posted By: blg748
Date Posted: December 29, 2004 at 6:00 PM
YES it is true what Francious70 said i completely belive him and i know too. im just saying rahter than spending money on xenon or octane get a tantrum or a titantium. i was ready to buy the pg xenons 400.1 from author dealer for my jl12w3v2 he told me if i can find the tantrum 300.2 to buy it as i will be better off and save money. this is what he told me an authorized dealer. also he did mention how the xenons are new and will take a bit of time to be improved. from my experience a cpl buddys 3 of em have have xenons one out the three has had probs with his zenons thats like 1/3 xenon is bad. this may not be the case but this is just from 3 ppl i know and 1 turned out bad. Phoenix Gold has amazing stuff their zeons will get better. ALso if you really want high end go for ORION, ZAPCO . dont bother with JL they are WAY over priced.
Posted By: dedlyjedly
Date Posted: December 29, 2004 at 7:36 PM
the tantrum series of amplifiers is inferior to the xenon and the titanium!!! i cant stress that enough, in fact it was because of power supply problems w/ the tantrum line that i nearly gave up on phoenix gold and dropped the line. that's right big748, im the store manager in a pg authorized shop!!! my point was that without exception the titanium are the best of those mentioned, but the xenon is an acceptable replacement for the non-discriminating listener on a budget ------------- MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!
Posted By: blg748
Date Posted: December 29, 2004 at 8:13 PM
The authorized dealer here in TOWN told me if i can find a tantrum to get it over spending 600 on the xenon 400.1 my friends got two tantrum 300.2s running for a year or two and they ahvent had any problems ? i guess its liek the xenons and that a lotta of them are havign probs too ? i know the xenon and titanium are WAY better than athe TANTRUM. but i have a 1 yr warranty and i plan on selling it to someone after usign it for couple months iditos in this town will pay a lot for this amp that i have the t 300.2 ill get my money back. i really wanan buy the ti 400.2. but thanks for the advise.
Posted By: dedlyjedly
Date Posted: December 29, 2004 at 8:33 PM
$600!!! maybe for a ti600.2, but a xenon 400.1 shouldnt cost you more than $400! where in the hell are you from? mother russia?! lol ------------- MECP certified, 5yrs experience, you probably otta listen bitch!!
Posted By: blg748
Date Posted: December 29, 2004 at 9:39 PM
oh im in canada so the price is right incl tax and stuff its in CANADIAN. im gonna sell my PG tantrum if it starts givign me problesm dish it out on ebay lol. anyways lots of friends o f mine got theri tantrums 300.2s still working even the one guy has 2 refurbs lol they work. and get tested yearly so ya.
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: December 29, 2004 at 9:44 PM
I'd s save up and get the Xenon or the titanium. As said previously, they make the world of difference and sound a lot better (Price tag reflecting). Worth the investment to some, not to others, but in your case i'd go for it. Keep the tantrum until you have sufficient funds to purchase one of the others.
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: wayland1985
Date Posted: December 29, 2004 at 10:01 PM
Haha... Mother russia.... ------------- ~WAYLAND
Posted By: fastev
Date Posted: December 29, 2004 at 11:30 PM
I've been using Xenon 12DVC's for a while now and they are great. I've been thinking about getting rid of my Titanium amps for a couple Xenons, but after reading these posts perhaps I should keep them...
Posted By: blg748
Date Posted: December 30, 2004 at 8:51 AM
KEEEEEEEEEEP those titanium they are like GOLD. they still cost a crapload to purchase if you can find em even on fleebay they want 350US for a 400.2 TI. Me it looks liek the SHIPPING company LOST MY TANTRUM 300.2 god damn fookers good thing they had insurance on it gonna take a mon th or so to get my money but now lo oks like ill just be getting a new amp from start.
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: December 30, 2004 at 8:54 AM
Keep the titanium amps, but upgrade to the titanium subs. Match the set out with the highest quality equipment, don't settle for a step down.
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: Francious70
Date Posted: December 30, 2004 at 9:22 AM
He's right, keep the ti amps as they're not made anymore. They are also highly collectible items, much like PG short live "Frank-amp-en-stein" or the Reactors.
The Xenon amps are solid gold and the second run of them has been released with many improvements over the first run. The Xenons are so underprice it's not even funny. I got my X400.1 for $250 and it should have cost at least $400. PG is trying to give the series a "shot in the ass" by selling them at a lower price than they're worth so people will jump on the boat with them.
Paul
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: December 30, 2004 at 9:25 AM
It should be like cubans in 1980, lots of them should be jumping on the boat lol. I'm surprised that a lot of people aren't buying them... Guess i might have to ssave up for something else.
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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
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