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Wiring 2ohm dual voice coil 15’s

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Topic: Wiring 2ohm dual voice coil 15’s

Posted By: GRANDHUSTLE
Subject: Wiring 2ohm dual voice coil 15’s
Date Posted: January 12, 2005 at 2:22 PM

I recently wired 2 2ohm dual voice coil Kicker Comp VR15's to my 2400watt RF 801s(2-channel) amp. I know they need to be wired in series and I thought they were, but it still sounds wrong at high volumes like when I had them wired in paralell(which one at time is exactly what the 15's are capable of and what I expected them both to sound like now). So this is how I have them wired.

Left Sub: one negative post to a positive, the other positive to the left channel positive on the amp, the other negative to a positve on the right sub

Right Sub: one negative to a positve, the other negative to the right channel negative on the amp, the other positive to a negative on the left sub

Anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong? Any help is appreciated, Thanks

J-G




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Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: January 12, 2005 at 4:00 PM
Well, it sounds to me you are wiring them in a series. You have them @ 4 ohms. If you had them parallel, you'd be down to 1 ohm. Is that 2 channel amp 1 ohm stable x 2? One thing is for sure, you won't get 2400 W out to those kickers @ 4 ohms. You might have to bridged the amp and have the subs run together. Then you would series them up to 4 then the signal gets split and you'd have a 2 ohm load for the woofers. Most amps are 2 ohm stable.

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Posted By: Francious70
Date Posted: January 12, 2005 at 4:57 PM
I'd wire them in series/parallel for a 2 ohm load.

Paul




Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: January 12, 2005 at 5:11 PM

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You have a 8 ohm load bridged onto the amp.  You can't make 4 ohm total with this model so that is what you have to deal with.  (The amp wouldn't handle a 2 ohm bridged load.)  You just might have the amp at clipping level to get the output you're trying for...and it is showing in the sound.





Posted By: hurtado_roberto
Date Posted: January 12, 2005 at 5:29 PM

So you should wire them like this:

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but the RF 801S amplifier does not support a 2ohm load bridged.  I had one last year and it kept turning off (protect mode b/c of overheating). So you can run just one speaker with this amplifier to see how it sounds like this:

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This will give you a 800watt RMS x 1 bridged.  You can buy another 801S later on if you don't feel like it's enough db. These are 2 x 2ohm not 2 x 4ohm subs right.  What's the total RMS of each speaker?



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Posted By: GRANDHUSTLE
Date Posted: January 13, 2005 at 1:15 PM
The specs on the amp say:

200 W X 2 @ 4 Ohms RMS

400 W X 2 @ 2 Ohms RMS(<--I think that's what I'm aiming for, any ideas on how that would be wired?)

800 W X 1 @ 4 Ohms Bridged RMS

It doesn't say that it's stable at 2ohms bridged, that JL website only shows bridged set-ups, no 2-channel.
J-G




Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: January 13, 2005 at 3:59 PM

You can't make 4 ohm total with this model

...as I posted above.  You might want to look at it again, or for the first time.  And when specs show a bridged rating at 4 ohms, and don't show a bridged rating at 2 ohms.....that means there is no rating at 2 ohms bridged......which you take as meaning you can't put a bridged 2 ohm load on the amp.





Posted By: hurtado_roberto
Date Posted: January 13, 2005 at 5:02 PM

So you should just use one speaker and buy another amp later for the other one.

There is no efficient way you can produce a 4ohm load with all 4 voice coils connected.

Does anyone know if you can just connect one voice coil on each speaker?  If you can then you can bridge one voice coil on each speaker in series with the other for a 4 ohm load.  You would be using 2 speakers but I'm not sure how fast your voice coils would burn out or if there's enough excursion of the speakers.

Can you list the specs of your speakers next time you post.



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Posted By: GRANDHUSTLE
Date Posted: January 13, 2005 at 5:20 PM
  • Polymineral cone
  • Santoprene rubber surround minimizes cone distortion and resists the elements
  • Perimeter Venting--The perimeter venting cooling system continuously pumps hot air away from the voice coils, replacing it with cool outside air.
  • Dual 2-ohm voice coils for wiring flexibility
  • Frequency response 25-500 Hz
  • 100-500 watts RMS (50-250 watts RMS per coil)
  • 1000 watts peak power handling
  • Sensitivity: 88.5 dB SPL
  • Top-mount depth: 7 1/4"
  • Sealed box volume: 1.8-5.2 cubic feet
  • Ported box volume: 3.0-5.0 cubic feet




  • Posted By: DYohn
    Date Posted: January 13, 2005 at 5:29 PM
    As your amp is not 2-ohm stable into a mono load, either wire the speakers for an 8-ohm load as described above, or wire each one as a 4-ohm load and connect in stereo, one to each channel.  Either way is the same net result: 200 watts to each speaker.  This will work fine.  Yes, it is possible to wire only one VC, but by doing this you cut the speaker's power handling capability in half.

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    Posted By: hurtado_roberto
    Date Posted: January 13, 2005 at 7:38 PM

    So if you bridge them only using one voice coil your speakers RMS would be 100-500w and the amp's RMS would be 800w, so there's a greater chance you might overheat them.

    If you get 200w from your amp at 4 ohm and the speakers is 100-500w then it should sound ok but the excursion will not be that great.  I'm just learning here so I might have given alot of bs ideas.



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    Posted By: Drewt
    Date Posted: January 13, 2005 at 8:46 PM

    well, you can always buy two more subs and use them isobarically.......but that's not too pratical.....

    There really is no good solution for you, other than to wire up the subs for two ohms, and then wire each sub to one channel.

    -Drew





    Posted By: GRANDHUSTLE
    Date Posted: January 14, 2005 at 4:51 AM
    What's the best I could do if I just got the 4ohm DVC Vr15's?




    Posted By: stevdart
    Date Posted: January 14, 2005 at 5:19 AM




    Posted By: GRANDHUSTLE
    Date Posted: January 14, 2005 at 9:11 AM
    Once upon a time, not too long before I started this fiberglass box with the 15's, I thought I knew a little about car stereo but these diagrams all look like the power is coming from one channel(not two/stereo). Also before these I had never seen wiring done between the voice-coils of two seperate subs spliced into one wire and bridged to an amp, or am I misinterpreting the diagrams?




    Posted By: stevdart
    Date Posted: January 14, 2005 at 9:25 AM

    or am I misinterpreting the diagrams?

    Yes, that's what it is.  These diagrams are shown like that to make everything neat and tidy, and all the lines will be straight.  In real life it would look more like the following, one that I drew:

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    The wiring is series/parallel, in that the coils of each sub are in series and the subs themselves are in parallel (as in option 2 in the above linked diagram).  Connection to the amp is normally shown without detail, because in some cases:

      • both subs will be connected to one channel, or
      • the load is bridged to a two-channel amp, or
      • the load is connected to a mono amp, and the amp might have dual terminals.

    You would use the terminals on your amp that is proper for your situation.  In your case you would use the bridged wiring diagram shown on your amp, or in your amp's manual, which should be left channel positive and right channel negative terminals.





    Posted By: GRANDHUSTLE
    Date Posted: January 14, 2005 at 9:54 AM
    So you're saying that even though the amps specs say 400watts RMS x2 @2ohm there's no way to get 400 watts out of each channel?




    Posted By: stevdart
    Date Posted: January 14, 2005 at 10:25 AM

    Please show me where I said that.  Keep in mind you're now talking about using DVC 4ohm subs instead of the subs you first asked about.

    800 W X 1 @ 4 Ohms Bridged RMS

    This is the bridged spec that you posted.  Isn't that the same as 400 watts per channel?

    And you're welcome.





    Posted By: hurtado_roberto
    Date Posted: January 14, 2005 at 12:28 PM

    With the speakers you have there is no way you can wire them so they give you 400watts per channel.  You have to have them wired as 4ohms to each channel which will give you 200watts to each channel.  Your set-up could be compared to mine; I have two speakers which are at 4ohms.  When I had that amp I was only able to wire each sub to each channel which gave me 200watts RMS.  This was enough to feel some good bass from my system.  I upgraded to the 2004 model and a new box so now I feel like it's too much bass at times.

    Just connect each speaker to each channel like this:

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    Try it to see how it sounds.  I think it will sound good depending on you box.



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    Posted By: GRANDHUSTLE
    Date Posted: January 14, 2005 at 3:18 PM
    So the best thing to do would be getting the 4ohm DVC 15's and then it would be 400 watts per channel?




    Posted By: hurtado_roberto
    Date Posted: January 14, 2005 at 4:34 PM

    You mean to buy the 4ohm version instead of the 2ohm version? 

    With the 2004 model (P8002)  that's what I'm planning on doing.  Getting a pair of P3 DVC 4ohm subs which RMS 500 each.  I'll only be supplying 800w but I think it will sound good.



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