Cassette HU
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Printed Date: May 20, 2025 at 4:18 AM
Topic: Cassette HU
Posted By: NYDesi80
Subject: Cassette HU
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 12:58 AM
This is for another vehicle of mine (94 Previa) and not for the TL but I need to get a replacement HU because I just replaced all 4 speakers from factory to 5 1/4 Infinity Reference 5002i. I feel that the OEM factory paper cone speakers had better bass so I feel like my JVC HU is plain sh*tty.
Someone told me that Sony HU's are great for internal Bass, is this true? I'm pretty much game for all opinions, basically this is just a beater car so dont want to go too crazy with amps and subs, just a decent amount of bass, right now it sounds horrible (as if I have a bunch of tweeters hooked up).
I need cassette and CD so I'm going to just get a Cassette reciever and add a CD changer so please advise. Thanx! The model I was told to get: Sony Xplod
And here is a Comparison Chart
After seeing the comparison chart, Sony seems to be the best, but from what I read here everyone hates Sony.. so I am confused now.
Replies:
Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 1:13 AM
Numbers only go so far. The abosulute best test is, your own ears. After working many years in the retail field I found sony to be fairly low in the sound quality and the over all quality of their products. a few watts of power will make absolutely no difference. listen then buy. but generally stay away from sony, in my opinion
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Posted By: NYDesi80
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 2:31 AM
WHat Head Unit produces the best internal bass? (Obviously not subwoofer quality)
Posted By: wayland1985
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 4:39 PM
Head units don't make bass... Any head unit is capable of altering bass curves, and head units with built in Equalizers allow you to change the bass signal even further.
In your case, what you probably need is a head unit that will put out more power to your speakers. Since your options are very limited, the Sony you chose is basically the best option. It puts out a little more power than the other cassette HU's on crutchfield, plus sony has EQ3, which when set at the XPLOD setting will dramatically increase bass output. It also has a decent frequency response.
Of course, as you probably know, if you want the best sound power, you should look at buying a cheap amplifier putting out 45 watts per channel (that's what the infinity's want) or even a CD player with an auxilary in, so that you can connect a cassette walkman to it, and listen to cassettes that way.
------------- ~WAYLAND
Posted By: joebobcletusjr
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 5:07 PM
I have an Alpine (I can't remember what model) but it has the built in "Bass Engine" which really allows you to select the different frequencies for the different channels, it also has a stereo sub output with controls for that. it has it's own rudementory passive crossovers for mids and highs, also one for the sub. So far out of any other HU I have used, it is the most versitile for adjusting your eq curve, but it still makes it simple because it has it's own preset frequency increments depending on the frequency pass. I have always been a major fan of Pioneer, but since I purchased this HU, I am reconsidering. I am sure someone out there will have some bad things to say about Alpine and Pioneer, but it is what I like, just like some people are Chevy lovers, some are Import lovers, some are Ford lovers, when in all actuallity they are all pretty good companies with some sutble and large differences. My point is just as stated above, go to the store, play around with them and don't be afraid to push buttons until smoke comes out of them (but you probably shouldn't break unless you want to buy it, of course) ------------- eh? what did you just say?
Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 6:05 PM
Hmmm, <looks at things backwards> was the JVC driving the factory speakers before? If so it is not a head unit issue that you have, it is a speaker issue. Some speakers just sound different than others and some paper cone stockers I would leave in the vehicle before buying the name brand 2 or 3 ways with blue mica filled superlightweight cones with glowing leds and supertweeters that are aluminum coated and rotational and handle 600000 watts. To me it sure sounds like a speaker issue.
------------- Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.
Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 6:30 PM
If you are wanting more bass out of your new speakers you could have some of the speakers wired out of phase or you could simply just need an outboard amp. First I would check to make sure that all the connections to the speakers are the same (Positive speaker wires from the head unit are going to the same positive input on the speakers, and the same for the negative wires).
Posted By: wayland1985
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 6:49 PM
I was looking at a Fit Guide for Toyota Previas. It shows that it can accept up to a 7 inch cone for the rear speakers. If your factory speaker was 7inches, and you replaced it with a 5.25 inch speaker, that could have an affect on your bass response.
Another solution is buying some cheap 6x9 inch speakers and a Q-logic 6x9in box (about $30). You can use the 6x9's in the back of the car as a replacement to the infinity's in the rear. 6x9's are pretty good at putting out low frequencies. This solution allows you to keep the JVC (usually JVC has some decent products) head unit...
------------- ~WAYLAND
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 8:22 PM
Best cassette deck available is made by nak. That's a no brainer.
------------- "I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.
Posted By: NYDesi80
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 9:54 PM
Thanx for all the replies guys, someone else actually told me that my speakers might be out of phase. And I know that I dont have cheap aftermarket speakers, they are decent, Infinity Reference 5002i's. I went into the store and played with a couple of a headunits, and listened to the same music on 3 different HU's on the same 5.25 Pioneer 2 way speakers that the store had on the wall. And it seemed that, the Pioneer sounded much cleaner and distinct in all (lows, mids, and highs) compared to Sony and JVC. JVC was the worst and Sony was 2nd best. And what is funny is that Sony had more watts going being put out. So I think I'm going to try Pioneer now.
Posted By: NYDesi80
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 10:05 PM
forbidden wrote:
Hmmm, <looks at things backwards> was the JVC driving the factory speakers before? If so it is not a head unit issue that you have, it is a speaker issue. Some speakers just sound different than others and some paper cone stockers I would leave in the vehicle before buying the name brand 2 or 3 ways with blue mica filled superlightweight cones with glowing leds and supertweeters that are aluminum coated and rotational and handle 600000 watts. To me it sure sounds like a speaker issue.
I'm pretty sure its not the Speakers because these speakers aren't sh*tty. They are Infinity 5002i at about $50 a pair. And also, the JVC head unit, flickers like crazy when I push the volume up. customsuburb wrote:
If you are wanting more bass out of your new speakers you could have some of the speakers wired out of phase or you could simply just need an outboard amp. First I would check to make sure that all the connections to the speakers are the same (Positive speaker wires from the head unit are going to the same positive input on the speakers, and the same for the negative wires).
Your right, someone else told me to check this as well, so I'm going to go out tommorow and check that out. Thanx. wayland1985 wrote:
I was looking at a Fit Guide for Toyota Previas. It shows that it can accept up to a 7 inch cone for the rear speakers. If your factory speaker was 7inches, and you replaced it with a 5.25 inch speaker, that could have an affect on your bass response.
Another solution is buying some cheap 6x9 inch speakers and a Q-logic 6x9in box (about $30). You can use the 6x9's in the back of the car as a replacement to the infinity's in the rear. 6x9's are pretty good at putting out low frequencies. This solution allows you to keep the JVC (usually JVC has some decent products) head unit...
I think the Fit guide specifies the rear quarter panel in which there is a cut out for a subwoofer. And that spot might handle that big of a speaker, cuz from what I recall, the fronts are 4 inch speakers and the rears were 5 inch speakers, and fitting these 5.25's was a pain as it is. So I know anything bigger would not be possible. The subwoofer compartment towards the lift gate however seems to have a cut out for a 6x9 and that is where I want to add a small sub if the change in Head Unit doesn't make things better.
Posted By: wayland1985
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 10:11 PM
Pioneer is a much better choice than Sony. I have a sony right now, as a temporary unit, and it's okay, as long as you listen to only one kind of music. Sonys have so many Equalizer settings, and sound processing settings that it's really hard to fine tune their sound. Pioneer is a better car audio company anyways.... So if possible, go the pioneer route, and only buy sony for their home theatre stuff
------------- ~WAYLAND
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 9:29 AM
first and foremost, yes indeed check phase of your speakers... sweep the balance control all the way to one side... how does it sound? sweep it all the way to the other side, how does it sound? now put it back in the middle... how does it sound? if it sounds like you are listening to it in a wind tunnel in the middle position you have a speaker out of phase... if however, they are in phase you may want to consider that forbidden/Rob had a valid point.... how did the OEM speakers sound with the JVC HU? good? then why blame the HU? many people when replacing speakers dont take into account the different efficiencies of the speakers... a factory (OEM) speaker as a rule tends to be very efficient whereas aftermarket speakers ( especially better quality ones ) tend not to be..... it sounds like you simply need more oomph to now power these Infinitys vs. your OEM speakers and now you are finding that the JVC doesnt have that oomph.... it's not a fault of the HU per se..... many people going from cheaper, efficient OEM speakers to an upgraded speaker find that deck power suddenly doesnt do it anymore..... which is why a simple upgrade often snowballs into adding an amp, then a battery, then an alternator to charge the battery, etc, etc..... if your Infinity speakers need a little more power to make them shine i dont see what swapping head units will do unless you plan on adding a power amp to that new head unit....... regardless of brand i doubt if you'll be happy simply running deck power.... ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: wayland1985
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 10:54 PM
Kgerry made another good point. Quite often people become accustomed to their factory speakers, and the day they get newer ones, able to replicate much higher frequencies, they think they sound bad. How long have you been listening to this setup? Did you just install it and realize it doesn't sound as "warm"?
Factory speakers usually only sound "warmer" or seem to have more bass only because people aren't used to hearing the highs of the tweeters.
Also, just to throw it out there, I've found Infinity speakers to be quite power hungry. They like to use every bit of their RMS rating. Plus, I think there's a 70% rule: All speakers should be powered with at least 70% of their RMS rating, for best performance, and longer life (you can ruin a speaker by underpowering it, so I've been told).
------------- ~WAYLAND
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