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Topic: Multiple amplifiers

Posted By: 949customs
Subject: Multiple amplifiers
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 4:41 AM

Hi all, I'm new here, and have a question. I got a killer deal on 3 10 " Alpine Type - x's ( DVC @ 4 ohm). now I have heard that these don't like to be under powered, and they are rated at 1000W RMS each. what would you guys sugjest I use to power these subs????

regards, Mark




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Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 7:28 AM
I think people just say they don't like to be underpowered as an excuse for why they suck. I had 1000 watts to my 12 and it was horrible.If I was you, I would make my amp desicion based on what I might wanna replace the type x with after it dissapoints me.

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Posted By: 949customs
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 7:38 AM

are you saying that the subs aren't good? because I have heard people say that they are great, and people say that they are crap

Mark





Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 7:51 AM
Mines for sale on ebay right now. IMO they suck. They sound ok if all you listen to is super low bass CDs. But as for real music they don't even reproduce most freq. They are the single most enefficient speakers I have ever seen. If you put 1000 watts to a speaker it should do something. Nope. Just barely. I bought a w7. I know it will do what I want. Plenty of other options too.

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Posted By: 949customs
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 8:15 AM

I really don't understand that. I had a set of Alpine's Type R's and they were great. I don't see how Alpine can make the Type R's so good for the price, but their top of the line sub is a POS... I just don't get that

Mark





Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 8:20 AM
Me either my friend. 2 Type Rs ( or one overpowered one) will beat the crap out of a Type X. Alpine feels safe in letting their quality go to crap now because they know it will still sell in Bestbuy. Less quality + more output = more money. Simple economics. Its a corporate thing.

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Posted By: TheSaint421
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 9:15 AM

that really surprises me. Alpine has always been about quality.

The Saint





Posted By: 949customs
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 9:17 AM

I see your point, but that's not Alpine's style. I have owned a fair amount of alpine equipment, right across the board; from amps to component sets, to subs, and I still find it hard to believe that they their top of the line sub is crap... but who knows.

Mark





Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 2:50 PM
Man up until recently I have sworn by alpine. Most of the equipment that I have had has been Alpine but now I find the need to mix and match. I'm not telling you to just trash it though. Form your own opinion definatly. It may be exactly what your looking for. It just ain't for me. The type X components ROCK! I love them. But the sub has left me dissapointed.

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Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 2:53 PM
To answer your first question though the MRD-M1001 is what I got for mine it is a complicated amp setup wise, but I am very happy with it. Don't get the new model (MRD-M1005) as it is another example of alpines quality drop.

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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 3:16 PM

For a real world opinion on type X subs that have worked great, I recommend that you read up some info on www.canadiancaraudio.com on posts made by Defro or Defro13. He is in the midst of a system that takes on the Alpine X5 and has done numerous systems using the type X with great results. To try something once and fail is one thing, but to not give the sub the love it deserves is another. Give the sub some love dude, show it the money. Have a look at his thread in the general discussion forum about his Neon build up (with pics).

As far as the quality drop goes, I've seen pretty much all companies go down the crapper in my 18 years in this industry. The industry is in a race to the bottom, meaning who can sell it the cheapest to maintain marketshare, you get what you pay for. 



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Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 7:05 PM
If you like the sound of the Type X, and you can get them for a good price, then dont listen to one persons opinion on them. If many people were chiming in on this topic saying they had bad experiences with the Type X, then you should rethink your purchase. But so far only one person has had a bad experience. I personally have never heard a Type X, although I have heard setups with a range of other alpine subs and think they sounded really good, the Type Rs are especially nice (just ask AlpineGuy).

As far as Alpine declining in quality, I actually think it has kept its quality quite well, even when being sold by circut city, I dont see that a switch to Best Buy will change that. Im more worried about Kickers quality declining once Circut City starts carrying the brand.

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Posted By: vwgolf1128
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 7:39 PM

oonikfraleyoo wrote:

To answer your first question though the MRD-M1001 is what I got for mine it is a complicated amp setup wise, but I am very happy with it. Don't get the new model (MRD-M1005) as it is another example of alpines quality drop.

I am looking at the MRD-M500 and the MRD-M501. Which one would you guys go for? The only diffence is the 500 is older, and the 501 looks a bit different and has 50 more watts rms.





Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 21, 2005 at 7:39 PM
I'm by far not the only person on this forum with bad type X experiances but I have also read of good ones. I'm not saying its a waste of your time to give it a try. Hell, you already have it don't you. Like I said, form your own opinions I just put mine out there. I really hope that your happy with it though. You should definatly put the thing in a ported box. And all 1000 watts to it. And the sub should be broken in. This is the first speaker I've seen that genuinly needs a breakin.

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Posted By: 949customs
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 1:14 AM

thats the thing, I can get 3 brand new X's for 200 bucks... so I don't qwant to shy away from them before I know what I'm turning down, thats all3

Mark





Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 8:31 AM

949customs wrote:

thats the thing, I can get 3 brand new X's for 200 bucks...

Just be sure to consider your overall cost.  How much will three amps cost you?  And alternator, batteries, power wiring, fusing, damping, etc. etc.....



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Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 9:05 AM
Get one W7 or one brahma, It would be much more cost effective, louder and sound better.

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Posted By: tnelson
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 9:36 AM
I currently have two alpine mrd M1001s and two Type X 12s in a ported box. I'm not going to go into a long post about how disappointed I was with these subs. As stated by someone else earlier unless you listen to super low music all the time you won't be impressed. I am upgrading to a pair of 9500 15s   Honestly my old mtx 8000 12s sounded better (got louder) than the type x's to me.

949customs wrote:
thats the thing, I can get 3 brand new X's for 200 bucks...

What stevdart said. you would need 3 thousand watt amps say you stuck with the mrd m1001 $450(ebay price) times 3 plus alternator, battery,,etc




Posted By: 949customs
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 7:09 PM

I can get those alpine amps, (1000W) for 199 each. as I already stated I have a 250 amp alt, and 0 guage wiring running through my car, but thanck for the imput, I think I will got with a JL combination rather than the Type X's.

Mark





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 7:13 PM

Mark, before your decisions are made based on the input from this forum, did you take the time to follow the link I gave you?



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Posted By: 949customs
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 7:28 PM
forbidden wrote:

Mark, before your decisions are made based on the input from this forum, did you take the time to follow the link I gave you?


yes I did, and I tracked down Defro13's post, but from what I could find, the ones he got were recalled, and that the new generation wouldn't have the same mechanical problems as his ones did... other than that I didn't find his review of them if he wrote one.

Mark





Posted By: jmckinney10
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 8:07 PM

The two cars i have heard with the type x's sounded pretty good.  One of the systems was a bit underpowered but didnt sound horrible.

As for amping them... im sure im gonna catch crap for this but you should consider the Alphasonik PMA1000HCA which is rated at 3000watts to 1 channel at 1 ohm





Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 11:03 PM
MRD-M1001s for $199? Thats a good deal.

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Posted By: tnelson
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 11:21 PM
"MRD-M1001s for $199? Thats a good deal." if it's legit




Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 22, 2005 at 11:55 PM
Yes, I have seen what I'm convinced was conterfit Alpine. Many other brands for that matter. Be careful.

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Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 23, 2005 at 12:02 AM
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Posted By: 949customs
Date Posted: February 23, 2005 at 9:14 AM

this is not stolen equipment that I'm talking about. just because I am not buying it at a Futureshop, or the local audio dealer, doesn't mean that it has to be stolen... I have a connection for Alpine stuff, and I can get it at a little over the manufature's price...

Mark





Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: February 23, 2005 at 9:31 AM

The only time I've listened to a type x sub was with deep bass music that someone at one of the local shops was playing. It was loud but I didn't really get to listen to how it would actually perform with real music. If you can, listen to the subs before you buy them, then decide on whether or not to purchase them.





Posted By: 949customs
Date Posted: February 23, 2005 at 9:43 AM

I am leaning towards some JL W7's to tell you the truth after doing some more research on the X's, but thats guys...

Mark





Posted By: MBZ oe
Date Posted: February 23, 2005 at 8:46 PM
I heard a pair of type-x's running of a 1000 watt soundstream and they sounded pretty good. The only thing is they have failed and been replaced under warranty twice in a couple of months. They seem to get so hot that the cone seperates from motor structure. That is only one person though so maybe he's the unlucky one.....

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