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Setting gains, A8002T

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Forum Name: Car Audio
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Topic: Setting gains, A8002T

Posted By: Fat4free
Subject: Setting gains, A8002T
Date Posted: February 23, 2005 at 9:39 AM

My head unit is an older kenwood which probably runs at 2V. The amp is 400x1@2ohms which is what i have my 2 12s running at. I know that the voltage is supposed to be 28.28V, but im not sure where to test this at. I do have a digital meter so that wont be a problem. Can anyone explain the basics on how to do this?



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Posted By: Fat4free
Date Posted: February 23, 2005 at 9:43 AM
*correction* my speakers are running at 400x1@4ohm




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: February 23, 2005 at 11:51 AM

Voltage = square root (Watts times Ohms).  400 X 4 = 1600, square root of this = 40

So if your load is 4 ohms, your amplifier has to produce 40 volts to be at 400 watts. 

Set amp gain at minimum.  Wear hearing protection.  Start the vehicle.  Play an appropriate test tone from your HU (is this a subwoofer?  Try something between 50-70Hz.)  Turn up volume on HU until you can detect the tone has changed or gone "shrill" or "flat."  This is the distortion point on your HU and is the MAX volume you cannot exceed without causing possible speaker damage.  Back off the volume until the tone is clear again.  Memorize this volume setting.  Turn off the HU and the vehicle.  Disconnect your subwoofer from the amp.  Connect your DMM set to AC Volts with the positive meter input connected to the + speaker output and negative to -.  Start the car and turn the HU back on.  Play the same tone and turn the volume up to your earlier memorized setting.  Slowly turn up the gain on your amplifier until your meter indicates 40 volts AC.  This is the max gain setting to match the HU output.  Mark it with a sharpie.  Leave it there and never touch it again.  Disconenct your meter.  Turn off the HU and the vehicle, reconnect your subwoofer to the amp.  Fire it up and see how it sounds on your music.  If the bass is overwhelming the mains, you can back the gain setting DOWN to balance the system, but NEVER turn it up past the point you set with your meter.



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Posted By: renian13
Date Posted: February 23, 2005 at 10:58 PM
If you "NEVER turn it up past the point you set with your meter," does that mean that this is the loudest your setup will ever get?
Besides switching enclosures, isn't there any way to "tweak" the amp settings to safely get more dbs? Sort of like overclocking a cpu?


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Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 24, 2005 at 12:19 AM
What he just described is "tweaking" the amp to its optimum setting.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: February 24, 2005 at 8:29 AM

renian13 wrote:

If you "NEVER turn it up past the point you set with your meter," does that mean that this is the loudest your setup will ever get?
Besides switching enclosures, isn't there any way to "tweak" the amp settings to safely get more dbs? Sort of like overclocking a cpu?

Yes, that's what it means.  If you adjust the amplifier gain higher than the HU voltage match point your amp begins clipping.  For the normal, non-competition user, there is no way to "tweak" the electronics beyond this point.  It is possible to gain SPL by simply adjusting the position of your subs, or yes by changing enclosures (sometimes.)  But you cannot squeeze blood from a stone, and you cannot squeeze more from an amplifier than it is designed to produce.  If yur gear does not give you what you want, often the only answer is different gear.

Now I will say that in SPL competition there it is normal to run amplifiers in clipping modes, but this is the kind of situation where the goal is one massive burst and if the speaker frys the speaker frys.  Normal installs do not operate like this and most people do not want to purchase new speakers every time they turn their system on.



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Posted By: Fat4free
Date Posted: February 24, 2005 at 9:43 AM
ok i did this but when i connected the dmm to my sub outputs, my meter doesnt read anything. however i know it works because when i connect it to the power/ground wire i get ~ 14 volts so its definately working. Yes the speakers are disconnected when im testing it. what am i doing wrong?




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: February 24, 2005 at 10:08 AM

Set it to AC VOLTS.



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