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Printed Date: April 27, 2024 at 5:16 PM


Topic: Experience with www.onlinecarstereo.com ?

Posted By: vwgolf1128
Subject: Experience with www.onlinecarstereo.com ?
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 11:57 AM

I am looking at buying my alpine sub here. Has anyone dealt with them before? Good/bad experience? They offer free shipping on an item which is usually $40 to ship. thanks



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Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 2:34 PM
No Warranty. Not an autherized Alpine dealer. No online retailer is.




Posted By: vwgolf1128
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 3:27 PM

They said they have a warranty. If the box is unopened, it has the factory warranty. Anyone else?





Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 3:39 PM

vwgolf1128 wrote:

If the box is unopened, it has the factory warranty.

You're kidding, right?  If the box is unopened, how do you know if you NEED a warranty?  Depending on the manufacturer it depends on where you bought the "box" since it is the retailer who also serves as the service center.



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Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 3:53 PM
These people buy product from retailers who violate the part of the dealer agreement that prohibits " transhipping " to non-authorized dealers. If you have a warranty repair the on-line place who you bought it from has to ship it back to the dealer THEY bought if from ( assuming they are still around ) who then ships it to Alpine. Pretty lengthy and risky IMO. Go to your local authorized Alpine dealer and give him a chance to match the price. Even if he comes close, you get somebody who will take care of any problems you might have.




Posted By: skoldspuppy
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 4:55 PM

Also check your state laws, florida has a statute if a warranty is offered on a product and a manufacturer refuses to acknowledge this like in the case of a unauthorized reseller, the Attorney general will send a nice little lawsuite to the manufacturer.

My reseller has used this Florida has used the florida Attorney General for this many times in suing companies that dont honor the warranty

So just remember check your state laws on warrantys you may have more options than you think



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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 5:48 PM

DYohn] wrote:

ou're kidding, right?  If the box is unopened, how do you know if you NEED a warranty?

Ha ha...good eye.  That's a hoot.





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 6:10 PM
Where the laughing smiley when you need it!

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Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 6:59 PM
How is the manufacturer responsible for a warranty given by a non-authorized dealer??? Also, almost every manufacturer's warranty has a clause that states that if its not installed by a professional, warranty is void, so almost anything you buy online and/or install yourself has no warranty. (Unless of course you are a professional and not just think you are.)

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Posted By: skoldspuppy
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 7:57 PM

oonikfraleyoo wrote:

How is the manufacturer responsible for a warranty given by a non-authorized dealer??? Also, almost every manufacturer's warranty has a clause that states that if its not installed by a professional, warranty is void, so almost anything you buy online and/or install yourself has no warranty. (Unless of course you are a professional and not just think you are.)

Thats why many states have their own laws regarding on how a warranty must be handled,  for example my kenwood manual  states "This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights which vary from state to state."

Basicly manufacturers have abused the little clauses in thier warranties like not installed by a professional , and people got fed up and started complaing to their state officals thus is why these laws exsits, its good to have these consumer protection laws cause without them the manufacturers can just push you around



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Posted By: vwgolf1128
Date Posted: February 27, 2005 at 9:28 PM

oonikfraleyoo wrote:

How is the manufacturer responsible for a warranty given by a non-authorized dealer??? Also, almost every manufacturer's warranty has a clause that states that if its not installed by a professional, warranty is void, so almost anything you buy online and/or install yourself has no warranty. (Unless of course you are a professional and not just think you are.)

I am getting all my stuff installed by a professional...





Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 9:58 AM
it may be different down there, but up here Alpine's warranty states " No warranty unless installed by an Authorized Alpine Installation Centre"...... not just any guy who calls himself a professional.....

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Posted By: blg748
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 10:09 AM
I hate that crap its not fun to have to pay someone to install a deck or an amp for you. when you know how to do it. I guess its worth it for the warranty but installing something like a deck is pretty damn easy its just matching wires thats about it.




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 10:24 AM

It's not crap, it's how manufacturers protect themselves from paying for idiotic mistakes made by people who "think" they know how to install.  I have seen MANY burned or broken pieces of electronics equipment damaged through ignorance and/or negligence on the part of owners, who then want to try and get "warranty repair."  It is often a rude awakening when people learn there are rules behind warranties.  I have known people who fried the engines in their new cars trying to get some fast and furious speed enhancement by purchasing a "chip" off eBay, and then get pissed when the dealer tells them sorry charlie, you broke it you pay for it.  If you blow your woofers because you "crank the gain" up or if you blow a HU by bridging the built-in amplifier, the manufacturer will often also tell you sorry it's your fault. And it is. 

On the other hand, I personally have had warranty replacement on my high-end Nakamichi in-dash CD changer three times.  The unit I bought had a mechanical problem and since I did it RIGHT, I got the entire HU replaced three times for free over the course of two years until I finally got one that functions perfectly.

If you purchase good equipment that comes with a warranty, you should always purchase from an authorized dealer and have it installed by an authorized service center in order to protect your investment. 

But bottom line is it's your money: if you want to purchase off EBay and install it yourself to save a few bucks, cool go for it.  Just don't expect any manufacturer to stand behind something done in that fashion.  You're on your own!



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Posted By: vwgolf1128
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 11:57 AM
Is "Tweeter" an Authorized Alpine Installed Center?




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 12:12 PM
The Tweeter chain is an authorized Alpine dealer.

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Posted By: fuseblower
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 12:30 PM

Warranties and guarantees are very touchy subjects.  Even without authorized dealer installations you can get around those little words "No warranty unless installed by an Authorized Alpine Installation Centre"  There are many laws that are made to protect consumers from this little wording.  It is the same as a sign saying that your car dealer is not responsible for items left in car while it is in for repair.  You must remember Lawyers wrote the laws so they also put in a clause and sub laws that can help them around the law.





Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 1:27 PM
Yes, but why waste the money hiring a lawyer and going to court when you could easily pay $50 up front and be done with it?

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Posted By: Lizardking
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 2:18 PM

I'm not going to pay someone twice what he paid so he can say it was installed by a authorized dealer....What a waste of money!! Let's see I will sell you this amp for $800 so you can get a warranty even though I paid only $300 for it.. Most electronics will show signs of failure in the first 30 days and that's a fact!! People like www.woofersetc.com and www.onlinecarstereo.com will cover under warranty same as manufacturer..

Example of something I just bought about 4months ago:  Kenwood Excelon KVT-915DVD through a authorized dealer cost $2300, I paid only $1500 through a non-authorized dealer.. A savings of $800 now is that worth it to you? If so go ahead and waste your money it's only money anyways...



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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 2:36 PM
^^^^ bad example as it proves my point. Either you are a bad shopper or a bad purchaser. A bad shopper has found an item that he likes at an drastically inflated price if the exact same item can be found that much cheaper. This means the store is at fault and you did not get a good deal from them. Get a better deal. The second side of this is the bad purchaser. You bought on price and did not quantify your purchase. Let's say that in this case the stores price is bang on, this means that the online store is hosebagging you on your purchase. No company in this industry makes that kind of markup on thier gear. This means that even though the brand and model may be the same, there is a difference. This difference is usually found in the product being a "B" stock or remanufactured item. It is no longer the same and should no longer sell for the same price. So in this sense sure the value is good if you like something that has previousely been blown up (usually 3 times) and cannot be sent back to the original purchaser. But the repaired gear has to be sold somewhere...... wonder what you just bought.

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Posted By: vwgolf1128
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 2:43 PM
So i am RIGHT, since i am getting it installed by a "professional".




Posted By: Lizardking
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 3:05 PM

It wasn't be B stock or refurb as you suggested that would be illegal if not properly posted on their site!! It comes from the same place the authorized dealers get. Beside all you have to do just like I do call the manufacturer and give them the serial number of the unit you bought. Most authorized dealers I have dealt with are unqualified and shouldn't touch anyone's vehicle EVER.. Don't get caught up in authorized dealer hipe its just that hipe!! Everything onlinecarstereo and woofersetc sell are brand new and factory sealed unless clearly marked.. If in doubt call the manufacturer and give them the serial numbers.. Diamond Audio, Eclipse and Kenwood have all done this for me without question... Not a big deal folks..



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Posted By: Lizardking
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 3:17 PM

vwgolf1128 wrote:

So i am RIGHT, since i am getting it installed by a "professional".

If you capable do it yourself and get your equipment online and save hundreds of dollars depending on what your looking at.. I deal with www.woofersetc.com and they have been great to me and will back any product they sell. They will also beat or match any price you find on the internet or from a dealer, I have used this several times with them always coming in cheaper.. I just had them price me the new Diamond Audio line that was just introduced. When I emailed them back asking for a better price they took another $30 dollars off the items I wanted (D9 series and D6 series).



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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 3:26 PM
I am sure forbbiden, being an authorized dealer, doesnt appreciate you calling him hipe. Speaking of which, what the hell is hipe anyways? Mabye you ment hype? Regardless I also take exception to the comment about how most Authorized dealers are unqualified and shouldnt touch anyones vehicle ever. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT. THAT IS FLAT OUT STUPID AND DISRESPECTFUL. YOU CAN CALL THIS FLAMING OR JUST FLAT OUT PISSED OFF BUT TO MAKE A GENERALIZED COMMENT LIKE THAT IS f**kING REDICULOUS. Mabye you had a problem with a dealer before or mabye your parents just didnt love you but whatever the case I seriously doubt you have delt with enough Authorized dealers in your life to make that f**king comment. It sounds like someone has been drinking from the stupid fountain again. I am a pro, a real f**king pro, just like a bunch of us on here, and I dont know if you are some punk kid or some misguided adult but I take that as a slap to the face and I refuse to accept that from anyone. You wanna make an argument for online purchasing, thats fine. But do some reserch and make some well thought out arguments not just rambling sh*t. Professional install is provided to people because the majority of the people out there do not know how to do this job properly. I have seen many backyard hacks tell me they know how to install and they dont know sh*t. Just cause the little red light on your amp turns on and your CD player plays doesnt mean that you can install properly, it means you can twist wires and can actually read at a 5th grade level. Big difference. A person can be smart but people are stupid and that is why warrenty is suposed to be void or reduced unless installed by a REAL AUTHORIZED PROFESSIONAL. I do know people who choose to not do this for a living, but are fully capable of it. Some of those people are on this message board. But those people also understand why we are Professionals and why the manufacturs put that little clause in. Its not cause they are trying to screw the world and it sures the hell isnt to stop online purchasing because that little tag line was around long before flee bay was. As was said before You did save 800 dollars off of full retail price but if you could only get the dealer to give you full retail price then you arent a smart shopper, your a guy with a computer and no negotiation skills whatsoever. I have been off this board for a week now and I come back and what do I find, more ignorant comments and fountins of misinformation. Come on man, think ......1.......2.......3......type. Follow that little bit of advice and you are gonna come off far more intelligent. In the imortal words of Joe Pesci from"My cousin Vinnie", I got no more use for this guy.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: February 28, 2005 at 4:23 PM
That is a true statement.  This topic is closed.

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