2way + 2way or 2way + 3way?

ive been jumping around from product to product and i just found out that my rear speakrs are 6x8s not 6x9s hehe... and guess what... after about a month of driving, i just noticed i have 6 speakers and not 4!! ROFL. i never even saw the ones in the dash of my 92 stang..

well i WAS gona go with the boston acoustics sl65s in door, and sl95s in rear... but now ive got more options and also more questions because somebody told me that i should go with 2ways in the front and 3ways in the rear.

so now im figuring that i will get two Boston Acoustic FX3 3-1/2s in the dash, two BA sl65s in the doors (6 1/2), and the question comes into play with the rear 6x8"ers... would it be more beneficial to go with lets say, BA NX87s (2way) OR 3way speakers from another company? (which ones??)

this is going to be run on a hifonics zeus z4400 amp (unless theres something better...)

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also what would you prefer? - safely handling 75 watts of a Rocksford Fosgate 2 way speaker, Infinity Kappa RMS 75 or Boston Accoustic RMS 100

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The number of ways in a speaker do not necessarily make them sound better. Buy speakers that you like the sound of. Up front I would look at installing component speakers with the woofer in the door and the tweeter in the dash. I like to keep my speakers matched by brand for front and rear but to each his own.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.

I see no reason to keep brands matched but like forbidden said to each his own. My choice would comps up front and if you feel like you really need the rear fill either 2 or 3 ways would work. The only way to buy speakers IMO is to listen and get what you like.

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Spend as much money on the front components as possible.  The rears should be the last priority, in my opinion.  I generally prefer the sound of 2-way coaxial speakers to 3-way, but like the others said, it is the sound that matters.  Don't just order stuff blind off the internet. 

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well supposedly the 3ways play the lower notes better than the 2ways... so it creates a nice effect when the bass is in the rear and it progressively gets down to the small dash speakers..

you say you like 2way better than 3way.. i was told that individually they dont compare to a system with a 2way/3way combo... this is because the 3way plays the lower tones better and is what they are made to do. im not trying to say your wrong kfr considering you have 1500+ posts lol but can anyone confirm this?

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The fact a speaker is a 2-way or a 3-way has absolutely nothing to do with the bass response. Bass response is determined by the physical properties of the woofer and the application. Nothing more.

I would stop listening to whoever you are getting your information from. They are blowing smoke and probably just trying to sell you a more expensive 3-way driver. Sadly, many of misconceptions like this get started by less than honest sales tactics.

I generally like 2-way speakers better because the system is more simple. In audio, as in most areas, the more simple the system, the better. Most 3-ways I've heard always seem extra bright - probably on purpose - to make the customer feel like they are getting extra "clarity" from the "supertweeter."

Also, I take issue with something else this person is telling you. Bass shouldn't sound like it is coming from the back. Bass should sound like it is coming from the front two speakers. This is _stereo_ sound. In sound quality competitions the judges DEDUCT points if they hear what you describe.

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Many so-called "3-way" or even "4-way" speakers are actually not.  They are standard co-axials with a "super-tweeter" added for extended (and often way too bright) high-end response.  Many 3-way speakers actually use far cheaper components than 2-ways because with the super-tweeter the main tweeter can be of lesser quality.

And yes, the bass response has nothing to do with how many tweeters are stacked onto the woofer.

Most coaxials (2-way) use by far better quality speakers than 3-ways from the same company, in general.

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Which in most cases means the woofer is the same.....

Nik, the reason I prefer speakers of like brand front and rear is for tone  / timbre matching. I find it easier and a more enjoyable listening experience listening to speakers that are very closely matched together. There is nothing worse that listening to your front speakers and then fading them to the rear speakers and going, man I like these ones better for their top end, too bad my front speakers did not do this. Tone and Timbre matching is much more crucial in a theatre type environment like a home theatre with digital surround, you wouldn't want that F-18 coming from the front to turn into a Cessna out of the rear.......what changed.... the type of speakers.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.

this is not a dealer trying to get me to buy something lolz its my step brother who has had some pretty kickass systems back in the day.. i want to clarify what he said before. he says the 3ways give a more complete sound since it is low, mid, and high. 2ways are low and high.

i am the one that messed up the message before so dont blame him lol...

ok so any comments on this now?

thx alot kfr

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'92 Mustang Gt Hatchback

Again, the number of ways in a speaker do not necessarily make it sound better. Read again Dyohns post a couple post up.

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shootist wrote:

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this is not a dealer trying to get me to buy something lolz its my step brother who has had some pretty kickass systems back in the day.. i want to clarify what he said before. he says the 3ways give a more complete sound since it is low, mid, and high. 2ways are low and high.

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3-ways don't necessarily give a more complete sound.  3-ways play the SAME frequencies as the 2-way, they just do it using more drivers.

If you need this simple:

Both 2 and 3 ways play the lows, mids, and highs. 

The only difference is that the 2-ways use 2 drivers and the 3-ways use 3. 

The high end of the frequencies produced by the woofer comes up and meets the low end of the frequencies produced by the tweeter at the crossover point in a 2-way system.  Repeat:  the frequencies meet.  How is this missing anything?  It isn't.  If it isn't missing anything than how in the world can the 3-way be "more complete?"  It isn't. 

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the bass is gonna about the same. Personally i would much rather have 2 ways over 3 ways. I think a car with components in the front and 2 ways in the back sound much louder and clearer than 4 3 way speakers.

actually, 3 ways speakers tend to have less bass than 2 ways, because the power output is being divided up by 3 "speakers" instead of 2...

and again, the 3way better than 2way thing is usually bs, because like was said above, they usually use lower quality components in the 3 way.   I would certainly never buy a 3way 6.5 speaker for example, but would consider a 3way 6x9 on a vendor by vendor basis. nothing cracks me up more when someone starts talking about the pioneer 3 or 4 way 6x9s for example.... utter crap, but they think they are getting some premium stuff because its a 4way... bah.

sweet thanks much for the advice people

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So, what are you going to do?

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currently im thinking
BA FX3 3-1/2" in dash
BA SL65 6-1/2" in doors
BA NX87 6x8" in rear
Hifonics Zeus Z4400

anyone have experience with s?? good/bad comments?? why are they so cheap??

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'92 Mustang Gt Hatchback

You usually get what you pay for in car audio.

If you care about bass or sound quality at all I would skip the 6x8"s and buy a subwoofer instead.

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of course you will get what you pay for but what is the reason that they are so cheap??

lets take for example the boston acoustics NX67 6.5"
retail from the BA website is 150
from tweeter.com it is 150
from sonicelectrnix.com it is 110

another example: the boston acoustics NX87 5x7/6x8"
from BA website : 180
from tweeter.com : 180
from sonicelectrnix.com : 120

now when you are getting about 4 different items, an average of 50 less per item adds up to a great amount...
but what can be the difference between the two websites who sell BA products?

i understand what you mean when u say you pay for what you get... but that is for specific product lines. if it is the same product but cheaper from a different website, that comment cannot hold truth, or can it?? im just trying to figure out if s is up to something here; has anyone used them before?

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One website may have lower marginal costs than another. A small one man website will almost always be able to beat a small business with 25-50 employees. That said I don't think s has a very good reputation.

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anyone have trouble with them??? any good/bad stories i should know about???

thx ooni

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What?

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One website may have lower marginal costs than another. A small one man website will almost always be able to beat a small business with 25-50 employees. That said I don't think s has a very good reputation.

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Wages of full-time and most part-time employees, unless hours are very flexible, are not considered marginal cost.  In any event, there are fixed costs and quasi-fixed costs associated with all employees. 

Online retailers win because of lower FIXED costs AND marginal costs. 

Fixed:  lower wages, rent, utilities, etc.  (normal costs of staying in business not normally directly proportional to the cost of another item sold or produced)

Marginal:  additional cost of producing or selling one more unit of output.  This would be the cost to process one order, shipping, materials, cost of goods sold, commission, etc.

Because of BOTH marginal and fixed costs being lower for online retailers they can lower profit margins and make up for the lost margins in volume of sales.

Be weary of online retailers.  Few are authorized and you may be getting refurbished or b-stock goods.  Few offer real warranties.  This surely reduces their cost.  :-)

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