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Printed Date: April 18, 2024 at 5:24 PM


Topic: deadening for SPL

Posted By: tspiehs
Subject: deadening for SPL
Date Posted: April 07, 2005 at 12:23 AM

Well, I finally went all out:  I am now running 2 13W7s off of 2 1000/1s in the trunk of a 94 Accord.  Needless to say, I need to do something because my trunk lid has a one-way xmax of an inch.  Everything on my car is flexing.  I know that this is wayyyy overkill for bass, but I have to say I love to show people up.  I am mainly looking for maximum SPL, which would ideally remove all resonating panels.  I have a feeling this wont be possible, and I really dont want to put a lot of money into the car because I usually only have a car for about a year(plus no resale value for dynamat).  I am open to any and all ideas, especially if they will save me some money.  I do not, however, want to waste money on something that will not work.  As far as blowing the hell out of the car, that doesnt bother me a bit(its just a car).  Rattling is not a huge concern, I dont turn it up to that extreme unless provoked by someone trying to bump or show off.

I have been looking through several posts about sound deadening and have come up with this basic summary of options:

Dynamat:  Great reviews, can get for $3.60/sq ft + tax at local dealer

Brown Bread:  Great reviews, moderately expensive, no longer available @ b-quiet.com?

RaamMat:  Great Reviews?  $1.60/sq ft + ship on eBay

Peel n Seal:  Good reviews(I could use extra 3M adhesive if needed) havent checked price or source

rubberized undercoating:  would this be any good for SPL purposes?  walmart?

Any and all comments, questions, suggestions are welcomed and I look forward to any input given.




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Posted By: armyranger
Date Posted: April 07, 2005 at 1:04 AM
 i have read of people using roofing tar and expandiung foam to deaden vibrations. but i wouldnt try it . from the products i have used you really get what you pay for. there are some good sprayables cae makes a couple https://www.partsexpress.com carries this. rockford fosgate all so has one. but to make a real difference you will have to do it right and spend a little cash. if you decide to spend the money use both sheet deadner and spray on. good luck

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Posted By: Master Asylum
Date Posted: April 07, 2005 at 9:00 AM
Concerning brownbread, it is still available at B-Q.com. Go to the B-Quiet Extreme/Brownbread link and read, it will tell you that it is now called B-Quiet Extreme instead of BB. :) Though if you are looking for deadening I'd look at the Ultimate product line, comparable to DynaXtreme from what I've heard and you can get like 200 sq ft for dirt f'ing cheap. :) I'm tempted to buy it just to see how it works, only problem is, I don't really have a rattle problem except for teh trunk which the 12 sqft kit should fix. Though I'd rather spend double and get like quadruple product if I even remotely think I'll use it in the future.

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1998 Monte Carlo w/
Eclipse CD8454
2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C
2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369
1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel
2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm




Posted By: eacocucr
Date Posted: April 07, 2005 at 7:29 PM

O.K. I"ll tell you all the best secret around for killing all rattles. I've made great money doing it and have had great comments.

First strip your trunk of every thing you can.  Next remove trunk lid. Spray everything down with 2 coats of Westley's rubberized spray undercoating, Next get The Great Stuff Triple Expanding Foam insallation and fill up every hole and creavace you can find. Make sure to get real good in the middle of the trunk lid. Last buy some self stick foam for truck caps and put it around the edge of the trucnk lid to make a really tight fit.

You can get the Westley's (7$/can) and Pep Boys and the insallation ($2.50/can) and foam ($5/3 yards) at Meijer's.

I have a neon which (rattle horribly) and did the same thing not one rattle or buzz. Cleaned up the sound and kicked up the bass.  I spent maybe $35 and 2 hours doing it. Compared to $150 for a Dynomat trunk kit .

Did the same thing to a 01 Mustang for $150 and a 98 Explorer full truck for $500. I made $115 from the stang and $400 from the expo.





Posted By: eacocucr
Date Posted: April 07, 2005 at 7:35 PM

Oh one more thing if you don't want to go through all the trouble doing that J C Whittney sells some good deadening pads. Twice as thing as dynomat, 4 - 1.5 x 1.5 self adhesive sheets for $35.

If your really noisey go with both like ^ said.





Posted By: tspiehs
Date Posted: April 07, 2005 at 11:18 PM
Well, im not nearly as worried about the rattles as I am about the flexing of the panels.  Right now I am leaning toward the RAAMmat(100% feedback on eBay), maybe with some of the Cae spray if needed(I have had very good luck with partsexpress.com in the past).  I am looking for something that is reasonably priced, but I want to know that it will work well and still look somewhat professional when I show it off.  Should the spray be on top of the mat or mat on top?  I need to get this done before the local sound offs start in May so i need to do something in the not so distant future.  Thanks again for any input.




Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: April 07, 2005 at 11:26 PM
If you use that expandable foam be very conservative with it, using too much in between panels will cause them to warp!

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Posted By: anim8r
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 4:16 PM

EDEAD www.elementaldesigns.com $1/sq foot 45mil, $1.50/sq ft 70mil

Heard great things, that's what I'm picking up.





Posted By: tspiehs
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 5:21 PM
I did look into eDead, but I checked out the shipping and it was pretty high considering I don't live very far from where it ships from.  I really dont know if I would get RAAMmat or eDead v.1.se, they are the same price and I really have no way to compare them.  I know that deadening is brought up over and over again on this forum but I looked through about 50 threads and didn't see any comments about specific products and their use for SPL purposes.  I do like the fact that you can buy eDead in whatever amount that you want, but its $25 shipping per order.




Posted By: vwgolf1128
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 6:31 PM

I am also looking at buying deadening. I have a hatchback, and was wondering how many layers a hatch usually needs. I think i read somewhere that 2 is normal. Also how does eDead v1 se compare to Dynamat Extreme?



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Volkswagen Golf
Alpine CDA-9851
Alpine MRD-M501
Alpine 12" Type R Ported
Alpine Guy is my hero




Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 7:27 PM
dwarren wrote:

If you use that expandable foam be very conservative with it, using too much in between panels will cause them to warp!

Only if you seal the panel before the foam is done completely expanding.

I have had good success using rubber undercoating in a can, $4 at home depot, combined with Great stuff Expanding Foam, $4 home depot.

As for the appearance issue, you can put th etrunk lining back on once the panels are done. Meaning it would look like a stock trunk.

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Posted By: armyranger
Date Posted: April 09, 2005 at 6:57 AM
 if you are going to use both use the spray first it will fill in all the indintations and give you a better surface for the mat to adhire to .  

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live like theres no tomarrow because today may be your last.




Posted By: vwgolf1128
Date Posted: April 09, 2005 at 1:17 PM
vwgolf1128 wrote:

I am also looking at buying deadening. I have a hatchback, and was wondering how many layers a hatch usually needs. I think i read somewhere that 2 is normal. Also how does eDead v1 se compare to Dynamat Extreme?


anyone?



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Volkswagen Golf
Alpine CDA-9851
Alpine MRD-M501
Alpine 12" Type R Ported
Alpine Guy is my hero




Posted By: armyranger
Date Posted: April 10, 2005 at 2:35 AM
depending on the deadener used i would recomend at least 2 layers. in a hatch be sure you do the whole car.the roof and floor should be your main concern. as for which is better i prefer dynamat but the difference acousticly is more than likely inaudible 

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live like theres no tomarrow because today may be your last.





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