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which 12" sub for 1,000 watt amp?

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Topic: which 12" sub for 1,000 watt amp?

Posted By: OCURIEL
Subject: which 12" sub for 1,000 watt amp?
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 4:35 PM

wzup guys. I have a phoenix gold TI 1,000 watt amp that does 1,176 watts @ 4 ohms bridged.   I'm looking for a 10" OR 12" sub that has very good sound quality & punchy bass. Here is my list of choices so far.
ID MAX, RE XXX, & BRAHMA (IF I CAN GET ONE).

WHAT DO YOU GUYS RECCOMEND WITH THIS KIND OF POWER?

THANKS



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 4:57 PM
Any of those are fine choices.  Also Acendent's Atlas, Eclipse Titanium, JL W7, Phoenix Gold Titanium Elite, JBL GTi, and more.  Lots of nice woofers in this category.  Go listen to them and see which you like the best.

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Posted By: OCURIEL
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 5:08 PM
A phoenic gold elite sub will go nicely with my titanium amps. How do they sound? I've never had the pleasure of listening to one. better then eclipse titanium?




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 7:46 PM
Jury is still out on that one. I'm working on a system with Eclipse titaniums right now.

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 8:14 PM
Speaking from experience, the Ti12 is a bad mammajamma! They are fast, very tight, and will handle sh*tgobs of power. I am using the DA7232 on ONE of them, and that thing never even THINKS about complaining. One cubic foot sealed, brace the hell out of it, and go for it!

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Posted By: gumbi_12
Date Posted: April 09, 2005 at 6:56 AM

haemphyst wrote:

handle sh*tgobs of power.

Is that more or less than a sh*tload.  I can see that being the new marketing slogan for Sony.. "can handle sh*tgobs of power" and then break right after.posted_image

Forgive my finding everything funny.  Im at work and came in on no sleep



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Posted By: armyranger
Date Posted: April 09, 2005 at 7:06 AM
 if you want something that will handle some real power check out a cadence beast ive done some installs recently and now i cant get enough of them they are rated at 1200 rms but can handle a 4000w burp with no problem

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: April 09, 2005 at 7:20 AM
gumbi_12 wrote:

Is that more or less than a sh*tload.  I can see that being the new marketing slogan for Sony.. "can handle sh*tgobs of power" and then break right after.posted_image




The way I have heard it described is is just short of a metric @$$ ton, which is roughly equivalent to 4 buttloads, but still short of an imperial long butt ton.

amyranger... Is that all? The Eclipse Ti12 is RATED 1500 watts, and I am running 3kW to it all day long... posted_image

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Posted By: ss-installer
Date Posted: April 09, 2005 at 7:51 AM
the cadence wild beast 12 will handle 5000 watts burp power (3 sec). i know thats not what your going for but they are constructed good and IMO SQ is great.

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Posted By: armyranger
Date Posted: April 10, 2005 at 2:44 AM
haemphyst wrote:

gumbi_12 wrote:

Is that more or less than a sh*tload.  I can see that being the new marketing slogan for Sony.. "can handle sh*tgobs of power" and then break right after.posted_image




The way I have heard it described is is just short of a metric @$$ ton, which is roughly equivalent to 4 buttloads, but still short of an imperial long butt ton.

amyranger... Is that all? The Eclipse Ti12 is RATED 1500 watts, and I am running 3kW to it all day long... posted_image


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Posted By: wheelerdr
Date Posted: April 10, 2005 at 2:49 AM
I would go with a rockford t2 in a ported enclosure that amp will run it at its rms and pound the hell out of you. I do like the eclips but don't get the spl that the t2 does nor the jl w7,

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Posted By: armyranger
Date Posted: April 10, 2005 at 2:53 AM
 sorry screwed up the beast master is 5000w but isnt made for extended play it is an extreme spl sub . as for the the beasts they are rated at 1200 but i did an install with 4 15" beast and 8 cadence zr8s (2 per sub) thats 3000 apiece also and all they do is beg for more and to top it off if you can find somewhere to buy them they dont break the bank 

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Posted By: OCURIEL
Date Posted: April 11, 2005 at 9:21 AM
Thanks for the replies. The sub i'm leaning towards is the image dynamics max sub. I hear it's almost as good as the jl w7, but much cheaper. what do you guys think of the id max?




Posted By: OCURIEL
Date Posted: April 12, 2005 at 12:41 PM
anyone?

I have 2 subs in focus. xxx 12" or 12 id max. with 1,146 rms watts, which would be the better choice in regards to sound quality? rms wattage was verified through the amp's birthsheet.

thanks




Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: April 13, 2005 at 4:17 AM
I'm just throwing this out there even though its probably not at all what you want to hear...

With woofers of that quality, and the fact that you are posting here, pretty much indicates that either way it will make you really really..   excited. I promise you won't really like one of those woofers over the other. Its like asking "What is faster, an RX-8 or a 350Z?" Quantifiable differences abound, but the subjective experience really won't be all that different.

But if you REALLY want an opinion...

Looking at the specs.. I like RE a bit more.. i like the higher XMAX, (which is usually a real good sign of linearity) and power handling... not to mention one hell of a classy design. Get the RE man, then post a pick of ur install.

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Posted By: OCURIEL
Date Posted: April 13, 2005 at 9:49 AM
Thanks sedate.




Posted By: OCURIEL
Date Posted: April 13, 2005 at 9:55 AM
sound splinter is in focus too. hear very good things about those subs. anyone have any experience with this subs?




Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: April 15, 2005 at 2:03 AM
No get the RE thats easily the nicest sub you've put up here.

1100 watts will run anything get the RE.



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Posted By: overworked2
Date Posted: April 15, 2005 at 7:36 AM
Lets think about it another way as well, how much difference is there between 3Kwatts and 4Kwatts? Not much, and none that you will hear! also bear in mind that there isn't many occasions that you will actually hit that power level. How often do you drive around with the volume set at MAX and delivering signals around the 20~50Hz range? not often....I personally couldn't stand it, my roof vibrates too much. posted_image

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Posted By: OCURIEL
Date Posted: April 15, 2005 at 9:53 AM
sound splinter rl-p 12' go for $215.00 each if bought in pairs & i hear they compete well with the xxx. not louder then the xxx but get pretty loud & low with good sound quality. i can get to rl-p's for almost the price of one xxx. check them out at www.soundsplinter.com.




Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: April 15, 2005 at 11:01 AM
Dude you said you wanted one sub. ONE.

If you said you were willing to consider pairs, you woulda gotten a TOTALLY different response.

I would HIGHLY recommend getting a pair of woofers.. 1000 watts to a single woofer is so horribly inefficent... I hate single woofers systems. I betcha you'd be happier with the 2x12's. I mean, I traded a pair of Infinity Perfect 12's for a single 13W6 and I have serious regrets. =/

Yea man, if you're going to double up, those subs look like a great way to go. I like the totally flat black cone on the soundsplinters.. I went to the website prepared to make fun of them ("Soundsplinter" has got to be the most retarded sounding brand name) but the woofers actually look okay. 25mm XMAX and the magnet structure and all that look pretty fierce.

They list all the TS parameters, have you tried modeling it up in WinISD?



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Posted By: OCURIEL
Date Posted: April 15, 2005 at 1:04 PM
that's funny. I have 2 perfect vq 10's also.




Posted By: OCURIEL
Date Posted: April 15, 2005 at 2:46 PM
my budget is under $500.00 for 1 or 2 subs.




Posted By: OCURIEL
Date Posted: April 15, 2005 at 2:52 PM
since i already have 2 infinity perfect vq's, what if i get 2 more & run 4 10's off the pg titanium amp? do you think this will sound better then 1 xxx or 2 sound splinter 12"?




Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: April 15, 2005 at 4:38 PM

sedate wrote:



I would HIGHLY recommend getting a pair of woofers.. 1000 watts to a single woofer is so horribly inefficent... I hate single woofers systems. I betcha you'd be happier with the 2x12's.


Not exactly...

Let's compare two xxx tens against a single 15.

A single 12" XXX has an 86 db sensitivity rating. Adding a second woofer would make the combined sensitivity 89 db (with 1 watt). The XXX 15 has a sensitivity rating of 89 (88.7).

They would be about as loud probobly, except the 15 could play a little lower. You wouldn't have to have as big of a box as the 12s would recquire either. I'm not sure on the pricing of the xxx subs but buying a single 15" XXX is probobly going to be cheaper then buy two 12s. 

All in all, I don't think it's really worth it to buy two 12's over a single 15.



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