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tryin to find the right frequency

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Printed Date: May 30, 2024 at 11:56 PM


Topic: tryin to find the right frequency

Posted By: slow_hoe2001
Subject: tryin to find the right frequency
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 5:13 PM

ok heres  the situation... i have a 01 chevy tahoe. i removed my rear seat and built a wall in its place. i installed in said wall 4 L7 15s. i have 2 kicker kx1200.1s, 1 per pair of subs. i originally built my wall sealed. i wasnt happy with the results i got so i "added" ports. dont know what i am officially tuned at. jus fit what i could in the space i had. i increased dBs but im still not happy. i am plannin to rebuild this time i wanna try and do this the right way. is there a formula i should use in order to find my trucks frequency? if so how do i go about using it? right now i peak at 52hz. everyone says that is too high solo 15s. is this true?     help!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: April 08, 2005 at 9:07 PM

slow_hoe2001 wrote:

dont know what i am officially tuned at. jus fit what i could in the space i had.

Then it's not officially tuned.

If you are trying to use the truck's resonant frequency to augment the SPL of the subs, then you are working on a competition SPL vehicle.  Your best bet is to build a precisely tuned bandpass for that purpose.

But if you want to use the truck for listening purposes other than competition, and I'm betting you do, then finding the resonance of the truck is not what you should be after.  It would likely be too high for where you would want the subs to be tuned at.  For normal (albeit LOUD) listening, and with a vehicle with that much space and using that much of it for subwoofers,  you should be working on an enclosure that will fully complement those subs and provide a tuning frequency near 20 Hz.

Wait.........

I just looked into WinISD Pro to see if L7's were listed and yes, they have the lot of them.  Looks like the L7 wants a very large sealed box.  If the enclosure volume is too small for each of those subs, the frequency (Fsc for sealed) goes up....so where you need huge volumes of airspace to try to smooth the frequency response plot, a more normal amount of airspace causes a bandpass effect with this sub, with a very definite peak in response.  You don't need to build a bandpass, you get it anyway with this sub in a sealed enclosure.

Trying to vent these subs looks like a nightmare, and even with huge ports the peak in response looks like it will be higher than with sealed.

If this is a comp vehicle you might need professional hands-on help.  If it's not, what you don't need are 4 of these L7 15's.  By using a semi-sealed environment (a wall), you are not getting the sound you should....and if you enable the volume of airspace to each sub that they need to sound more well-rounded, you will find that even in a Tahoe your space is limited.

If you're peaking at about 50 Hz now, that sounds about right for what you would typically get with these subs.  I don't know how much RMS power these subs have available to them, but if you're at 1500 watts or less you might benefit by dropping two of them from the lineup and working on massive, well-braced enclosures for the remaining two.   It depends on your purpose of having them...

What are they, dual 2 ohm or 4 ohm?



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Posted By: slow_hoe2001
Date Posted: April 09, 2005 at 6:03 PM
the subs are dvc 4 ohm. i am running a pair of them to an amp recieving a 1 ohm load. thus each sub should be getting around 700 watts. this is my daily driver, but i do a lil competing w/ it too. my plans are to use it all this season and if i get an invite to finals i am going to rebuild. i was planning to build the wall where my back seats are now, right behind the first row. i figure this way....a.less space in vehicle     and b. can make a bigger box. when i built my "wall" i actually just built 4 individual 3cubic sq.ft boxes and bolted them together then made flush trim around them. if i rebuild should i just do 1 HUGE box and 1 enourmous port or should i build sealed as 1 box? i have been told i can run more power to em if i had stayed sealed. is this true? if so i am thinking about buying 4 of the kx2500.1s in place of the 2 kx1200.1s i have now. u think they will be able to hold that much power?     also...if i go sealed wont it make me quieter? when i added my ports to my sealed boxes i gained almost 4 dBs. but i also went from peak frequency of 42 to a 52.  hell im all kinds of confused. i dont expect to win finals or anything but i just wanna put all i can towards it. u know what i mean?





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