6 1/2 Mid woofers?

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Topic: 6 1/2 Mid woofers?

Posted By: ajbringle
Subject: 6 1/2 Mid woofers?
Date Posted: May 09, 2005 at 5:59 PM

Anyone have input on 6 1/2 mid-woofers for rear sound in an extended cab Dodge Dakota. I have added tweeters up front in the sail panels already, and have amped the front channel.

I want to add some bass to the sound w/o a sub box and another amp. Just curious if anyone has had good luck with small woofers like these. I am not expecting mirror shaking bass, but would like to get some more low than a component 6 1/2?

Thanx

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Posted By: racer427
Date Posted: May 09, 2005 at 6:31 PM

Look at the Kicked SSMB6 series, nice mid bass with little space.

https://www.kicker.com/05/05kicker.html

Chris

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Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: May 09, 2005 at 11:42 PM

ajbringle:

"I want to add some bass to the sound w/o a sub box and another amp."

See that's kinda the thing... 'some bass' doesn't really come without, at least, *some* power. You can get away without the subbox easy enough... finding an infinite baffle speaker with good sq isn't particularly difficult. But if you desire anysort of bass-response you need to have more than the 22-watts or so coming from (I hope) your aftermarket HU. Lower frequencies require magnitudes of power greater than higher frequencies to sound as good.. I'm not saying a big monoblock is the only way to go, but HU power really isn't going to give you much in the way of bass at all... 'mirror-shaking' or not.

"would like to get some more low than a component 6 1/2"

Experiencially, I'd have to tell you that a 6.5" speaker simply does not play well much below 80hz or so, even when being plied with significant power. I've always wanted to try something like this, but I've never really had an appropriate application.. and u did say you were not interested in an enclosure.

Do one of these two things:
1)Look for an infinite-baffle midwoofer in your price range and see if it does you okay... if not, you'll need to bite it and get another.. even a small amp.
2)Change your mind and decide that a small amp and a single 10" is just what you need. posted_image

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Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: May 09, 2005 at 11:55 PM

I listened to a Porsche Turbo today with a set of 6.5" mid woofer drivers. They were some older ADS mid woofers. The guy is into jazz and really liked the punchy bass they produced. He also wants four of them in his Cayenne. I was impressed but a true 8" or 10" in a properly sealed enclosure is more my taste.

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Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 12:15 AM

dwarren:

A friend of mine had a 6.5" ADS comp set getting 100watts or so (I don't remember, it was getting a bridged soundstream rubicon) in a Sentra a few years back... they had hella midbass response ... but the overall volume was rather underwhelming and... like I said... they were getting 100watts a piece.

It is just my sense of things that this particular poster isn't going to get what he wants from a new set of infinite baffle mid-woofers... especially given the power he has to dedicate to them.

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Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 12:37 AM

The woofers i was reffering to are dedicated mid-woofers, not from a compoment system. I believe they are capable of playing lower frequencies. But again this was based on the taste of the customer, he likes it and it meets his needs.

Whether or not it will satisy ajbringle is another story indeed.

You, aj, may want to really reconsider your idea. A three way system with dedicated 8"s in the door would really do you well.

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Posted By: drvnbysound
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 7:12 AM

There are quite a few manufacturers making small mid-bass and woofers these days. The Kicker mentioned earlier is one. JL also makes a 6W0 (6" Subwoofer) and Focal (EXCELLENT SQ) makes a 5-3/8" subwoofer (5WS). There are speakers out there that are probably capable of doing what you want, however its going to be rare for you to find something already done that you can hear using these products. You will probably have to end up going out on a limb taking a risk and buying a product you may not have heard before.
Ive personally wanted to try the Focal 5WS before but never got around to it. Problem still with it and the 6W0 is (as previously stated) they need to be amped, and neither of them is going to give much mid-bass or low frequency output without an enclosure (even if it were fiberglassed into your door panel).
Good luck.

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Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 7:44 AM

Good answer, drvnbysound. :-)

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Posted By: ajbringle
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 10:11 AM

Thanks to all of you, and by the way I guess I wasn't specific about the power situation... my fauit.

I have a channel on the amp I have already to throw at the rear channel, I just don't wanna add another amp. I got the current one under the drivers seat (nice and neat I might add) powering just the front stage, but don't want to have to install another one under the passenger side to power a box. I don't want to affect the "Stock" interior (and don't have the money to get the "MTX" Stealth box for my truck).

I just wanted to replace the rear stock paper 10W RMS w/ a nice punchy mid-bass or sub that would fit in the stock location.

Posted By: ajbringle
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 10:15 AM

Oh yeah sorry .... forgot to say also that I am not looking for the typical 2 10"s with super lows, Just a punchy mid to low that will round out the overall sound. Have had boxs in all my previous vehicles and this time round I don't have the space or desire to be heard a mile away.

LOud and Clear is my goal.

Posted By: racer427
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 6:22 PM

Well, if you are just looking for some punchy lows then try the JL6WO's or the Focal 5WS. Both will need a small enclosure but, they take a very very small one. The JL 6WO needs .15 to 2.0. That can easily be built into the doors. Or Even the rear pilars if someone knows what they are doing.

Chris

Posted By: ajbringle
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 6:37 PM

Thanx Chris, That is what I thought after reading about the 6wo's. I just wanna throw em in the rear pillars, don't know the CF back there, but it is basically an enclosure already. How bad will they sound if the volume is off either way??

Posted By: racer427
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 6:43 PM

I would try to stay as close to the recomended size as possable, you may be able to get away with a .1 ft^3 difference.

Chris

Posted By: racer427
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 6:49 PM

BTW, those woofers produce excelent sound quality if they are set-up right.

Chris

Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: May 10, 2005 at 8:43 PM

sedate wrote:

dwarren:

A friend of mine had a 6.5" ADS comp set getting 100watts or so (I don't remember, it was getting a bridged soundstream rubicon) in a Sentra a few years back... they had hella midbass response ... but the overall volume was rather underwhelming and... like I said... they were getting 100watts a piece.

That's odd. I used to run a set of a/d/s/ 6.5" components and my only complaint was the lack of midbass they had. They got plenty loud for me though, even on the freeway with the windows down.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio

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Posted By: Thorin_II
Date Posted: May 12, 2005 at 11:02 PM

sedate: my 96 escourt has 6.5" 2-ways and they curve in at 90 dB at 70 Hz. theyre not bad little things.

Posted By: vinspo
Date Posted: May 13, 2005 at 2:27 AM

You might look into the Morel or Dynaudio mid-woofers too, I have heard good things about both. I use Diamond Audio Hex 61/2 woofers and I like the sound they produce.

Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: May 13, 2005 at 8:45 AM

Steven Kephart & Thorin_II:

"That's odd. I used to run a set of a/d/s/ 6.5" components and my only complaint was the lack of midbass they had."

I've often found comparing mid-bass output from the same mid-range speaker (or coaxial) in different cars often has more to do with the car they are installed in than the speaker... how well of a natural enclosure they are installed in, how damped the door is, how careful the installer is to ensure that airtight seal around the gasket.. etc. etc. Maybe this is the case here?

When I say "hella midbass" what I should say is, tonally, the midbass seemed as pronouced as the rest of the sound... not usually a distinction I give to car speakers.

"They got plenty loud for me though, even on the freeway with the windows down"

When I say these speakers were *clean* I mean it. Some of the most articulate speakers I've heard.. but the part I like about your post is exactly what blew my mind about these A/D/S's... you literally could NOT hear them on the freeway with the windows down! This is a componet set that set my friend back like $500 getting an entire 4-channel dedicated to them and the best they can do is play well at a stoplight?!

My friend always insisted that he loved 'em.. but he's also the kind of person that wouldn't admit otherwise after $500..

That is kinda how I describe my 13W6 to ppl... "I've been ADSed..."

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